JIMMY ANDERSON (21:2/127) wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

People like echo chambers... I like to talk to like minded people
too, but we never learn or grow if we aren't challenged.

I try my best not to push people away, but still try to be authentic without censoring myself too much.

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³ MP> I feel like that has to do with people gravitating to social media
³ MP> sites, especially those that echo their own beliefs, for social
³ MP> interaction that they don't get on news sites.
³
³ People like echo chambers... I like to talk to like minded people
³ too, but we never learn or grow if we aren't challenged.
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Very true, very true!

Mike

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³ Remember bloatware? You'd buy that $300 Packard Bell or HP machine,
³ and it woud be preinstalled with a TON of stuff that you had to
³ delete to get system space and processing back. I found out that
³ the companies PAID to have their stuff installed, and that's how
³ they could sell the PC's so cheaply.
ÀÄ[JA=>M]

That is one way MS Windows got to be so popular. Most PC makers pretty
much had to include it on their machines.

Mike

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Re: Re: Computers
By: MIKE POWELL to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun May 04 2025 08:44 am

That is one way MS Windows got to be so popular. Most PC makers pretty much had to include it on their machines.

I heard that Microsoft would charge PC makers a Windows license for each PC they sold, even if they installed a different OS on a PC. Seems a bit sketchy to me.. But I've heard some people say that was volume licensing, which may be a somewhat different thing.

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Utopian Galt wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

JIMMY ANDERSON (21:2/127) wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

People like echo chambers... I like to talk to like minded people
too, but we never learn or grow if we aren't challenged.

I try my best not to push people away, but still try to be authentic without censoring myself too much.

Agreed. Tell the truth always, but do it diplomatically. :-)



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MIKE POWELL wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

| Remember bloatware? You'd buy that $300 Packard Bell or HP machine,
| and it woud be preinstalled with a TON of stuff that you had to
| delete to get system space and processing back. I found out that
| the companies PAID to have their stuff installed, and that's how
| they could sell the PC's so cheaply.

`-[JA=>M]

That is one way MS Windows got to be so popular. Most PC makers pretty much had to include it on their machines.

Or else they could't be competitive with their prices. Yep.


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I've heard people say that misinformation has multiplied as more and more people have gotten internet access. Even though many people have

It just makes sense that the more information you have, the more
likely a lot of it will be misinformation. We are exposed to
so much info now, there is a lot of misinformation. It just goes
along with the good information.

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Jimmy Anderson wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

That is one way MS Windows got to be so popular. Most PC makers pretty much had to include it on their machines.

Or else they could't be competitive with their prices. Yep.

The legal rationale was that people were going to pirate Windows anyway,
so punish the computer manufacturers - even if they were going to use
OS/2 or Linux or whatever.

Then, Windows got so big that they required makers to purchase a license
per system or they wouldn't sell you any license at all.

Let's not forget people who went through the hoops of trying to get a
refund on a shrinkwrap license of Windows when they installed another
OS.

It was the same rationale that the RIAA used to get the courts to order
makers of blank CDs to pay into a fund for the recording industry
because users could possibly use blank CDs to copy music (which was
legal under copyright, but details...)

Whether or not the artists harmed by piracy ever saw any of those funds
remains to be seen, of course.





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Alonzo wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

I've heard people say that misinformation has multiplied as more and more people have gotten internet access. Even though many people

have

It just makes sense that the more information you have, the more
likely a lot of it will be misinformation. We are exposed to
so much info now, there is a lot of misinformation. It just goes
along with the good information.

Or to put it another way, the percentage may be the same, but when the
total number goes WAY up, so does the number of 'mis.' :-)


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Then, Windows got so big that they required makers to purchase a
license per system or they wouldn't sell you any license at all.

Let's not forget people who went through the hoops of trying to get a refund on a shrinkwrap license of Windows when they installed another
OS.

It was the same rationale that the RIAA used to get the courts to order makers of blank CDs to pay into a fund for the recording industry
because users could possibly use blank CDs to copy music (which was
legal under copyright, but details...)

Ah - the old 'but you COULD do it, so let's make sure you pay for it
anyway' rationale...

Reminds me of the John Boy & Billy Playhouse where the lady was in the
boat and the game warden said he was going to give her a ticket for
fishing without a license. "But I'm not fishing - I'm just here to
relax."

His reply was that she had the equipment and the opportunity, so how did
he know she wasn't going to start? She said that was fine - but she wanted
to file a report of sexual harrasment. When he said he didn't do that at
all, she said, "but you have the equipment and the opportunity. How do
I know you're not going to start?"


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That is one way MS Windows got to be so popular. Most PC makers pretty much had to include it on their machines.

I heard that Microsoft would charge PC makers a Windows license for each PC they sold, even if they installed a different OS on a PC. Seems a bit sketchy
to me.. But I've heard some people say that was volume licensing, which may b
a somewhat different thing.

That is what I also heard. I am pretty sure it was correct but, like you, I
am not sure if that was by volume or per individual PC.

I also always thought it sketchy but, if it was by volume, maybe less so.
I ordered a PC in 1991 and asked for it to be shipped without Windows 3.1.
The cost was the same. ;)

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