• Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?

    From Cozmo@21:3/135 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Mar 29 10:58:29 2025

    I would imagine taking a single-core XP machine and going to 7 would no great. I can even see a many of the moderately nice visuals linux distr today might not perform well on such a machine.

    They did OK, as long as there wasn't any background processing going on. Once you ran a virus scan or the index search kicked in you'd need to go for a walk.

    Not much later, we got the first Core 2 duo systems with SATA drives,
    they were a breath of fresh air.

    LOL! I run my BBS on a P4 running Windows 7. The OS runs fine but most Web browers don't and like you said, forget about running any virus software. I'm using Seamonkey and that seems to run fine.

    It works fine for running Mystic but thats pretty much all I use if for.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Cozmo on Sat Mar 29 10:56:50 2025
    Cozmo wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    LOL! I run my BBS on a P4 running Windows 7. The OS runs fine but most
    Web browers don't and like you said, forget about running any virus software. I'm using Seamonkey and that seems to run fine.

    Yeah, I hear you - I ran my BBS on a cast-off Celeron 1 ghz machine.
    Single core, 512 MB of RAM. Since traffic had died down, I was usually
    getting one caller at a time. Worked fine...



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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Arelor on Tue Apr 1 14:29:24 2025
    Re: Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Arelor to Malvinas on Thu Mar 27 2025 20:36:02

    ...Windows is so I/O hungry it is no longer funny.

    Was it ever?

    The downside is that gathering a healthy Windows 7 plus drivers is a bit more work than usual these days since all the hardware that used to be suported is EOLed.

    That only applies to Windows Updates and security patches. The OS itself will work just fine, just keep it offline. I mention this (wow, deja vu!) 'cause I've run across a few people that thought EOL meant it would just...die, shut down forever, etc.
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 1 14:46:22 2025
    Re: Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to pyrewyrm on Fri Mar 28 2025 13:44:32

    Once you ran a virus scan or the index search kicked in you'd need to go...

    Unless your accessing large databases or some such, you don't need indexing. It--as you mentioned--slows things down and can use gobs of storage space since it keeps growing over time.
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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Mortar M. on Wed Apr 2 09:35:06 2025

    Hello Mortar!

    01 Apr 25 14:29, you wrote to Arelor:

    I mention this (wow, deja vu!) 'cause I've run across a few people that thought EOL meant it would just...die, shut down forever, etc.

    That is what MS want people to think. That the computer will just stop working. They want people to go out and purchase a brand new
    system. Even though the hardware of the current PC would do the job (Minus the stupid W11+ requirements).

    I've installed Linux Mint on mum's pc, and the only anoyance is the canon printer driver can't see how much ink is left.
    I did do a test install of W11 after running refus though it to remove the TPM requirement etc, but the are no printer drivers fro her
    printer, and the w10 ones won't work.. arghhh...


    Vorlon


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Mortar M. on Wed Apr 2 09:41:10 2025

    Hello Mortar!

    01 Apr 25 14:29, you wrote to Arelor:

    I mention this (wow, deja vu!) 'cause I've run across a few people that thought EOL meant it would just...die, shut down forever, etc.

    That is what MS want people to think. That the computer will just stop working. They want people to go out and purchase a brand new
    system. Even though the hardware of the current PC would do the job (Minus the stupid W11+ requirements).

    I've installed Linux Mint on mum's pc, and the only anoyance is the canon printer driver can't see how much ink is left.
    I did do a test install of W11 after running refus though it to remove the TPM requirement etc, but there are no printer drivers for her
    printer, and the w10 ones won't work.. arghhh...


    Vorlon


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vorlon on Tue Apr 1 17:17:57 2025
    Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Vorlon to Mortar M. on Wed Apr 02 2025 09:41 am

    I mention this (wow, deja vu!) 'cause I've run across a few people that
    thought EOL meant it would just...die, shut down forever, etc.

    That is what MS want people to think. That the computer will just stop working. They want people to go out and purchase a brand new system. Even though the hardware of the current PC would do the job (Minus the stupid W11+ requirements).

    Although Microsoft does produce some of their own PCs, I don't think they're very common. If someone buys a new system, it would likely be a different brand of computer, and Microsoft would only be getting paid for a Windows license (either from the computer's OEM, or if the user built their own PC, they may have bought a Windows licence to install Windows on it legally and for support).

    I've heard sales of Windows isn't Microsoft's biggest income generator anymore though, as sales of computers has shrunk a bit and people are buying more smartphones & tablets. Lately, I've heard Microsoft makes a lot more money from data services, hosted applications (Office 360, etc.), and other business-related things. Also, deals with corporations that deploy Windows laptops to their employees and use Microsoft Outlook email etc. probably provide a lot of revenue for Microsoft. I'd guess more so than home users.

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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Vorlon on Wed Apr 2 14:32:13 2025
    Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Vorlon to Mortar M. on Wed Apr 02 2025 09:41:10

    I've installed Linux Mint on mum's pc, and the only anoyance is the canon printer driver can't see how much ink is left.

    That's why I haven't switched to Linux or BSD as my daily driver. Dispite what the fanboys tell you, there's still a lot of incompatibility or even absence of drivers for various hardware. I have a Canon flatbed scanner from the 2010s (I think) and there are no linux/BSD drivers for it, nor will SANE work with it.

    What I'll probably end up doing is use Win10+VirtualBox when I need the scanner, which isn't often, but enough to need it.
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Nightfox on Wed Apr 2 14:54:29 2025
    Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Nightfox to Vorlon on Tue Apr 01 2025 17:17:57

    ...Microsoft would only be getting paid for a Windows License...

    MS has always been in bed with various hardware companies. Back in the '90s it was all about the licensing, as you mention. PC makers had to pony-up for the "privilege" to have Windows pre-installed, or face bankrupsy as Windows was, virtually, the only game in town. A few tried to buck the system by offereing Linux systems, but by then, all the public knew about was "Windows", so they ended up caving.

    Today, withe the inclusion of Co-Pilot, MS is pressuring PC makers to include special AI-enhanced chipsets into their machines, believing that consumers will fall in love with AI. Personally, I have my doubts, based on what I've seen and read.

    I've heard sales of Windows isn't Microsoft's biggest income generator... I've heard Microsoft makes a lot more money from data services, hosted applications (Office 360, etc.), and other business-related things.

    Quite right, and has been that way for years. In an intervew with Steve Ballmer (the previous CEO), he admitted that vary fact, which didn't sit well with home consumers.
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  • From pyrewyrm@21:3/135 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 3 11:10:21 2025
    Once you ran a virus scan or the index search kicked in you'd need to go

    Yeah, the disk IO impact of operations like that vs the spinning disks of that era - I don't think anything would work great, barring you being able to load everything into RAM and work from there while the disk runs off with its new process lover.

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  • From pyrewyrm@21:3/135 to Mortar M. on Thu Apr 3 11:42:48 2025
    That's why I haven't switched to Linux or BSD as my daily driver.
    Dispite what the fanboys tell you, there's still a lot of
    incompatibility or even absence of drivers for various hardware. I have
    a Canon flatbed scanner from the 2010s (I think) and there are no linux/BSD drivers for it, nor will SANE work with it.

    I wouldn't listen to anyone's "fanboys" if they are going to be deceptive.

    Conversely, having worked in linux for going on more than a decade now, I can say the list of mainstream hardware that doesn't work has gotten a lot shorter. I'm sure there is a lot of specialty equipment that still won't play nice (like some industry software we have to accomodate for our customers.And
    there is a lot that is more minimal.

    Linux as a whole isn't an OS catered to the ultra-convenience users any more than Windows is aimed at the artsy-types or OSX is focused on serious business environments and gaming. And neither Windows nor OSX seem interested in giving their users any more control over their devices than absolutely demanded by the market.

    The beautiful part is everyone has a choice and I won't begrudge anyone theirs. I only hope they are fully informed going in and make their decision with an eye to the future vs the conveniences of today.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vorlon on Fri Apr 4 16:44:04 2025
    Vorlon wrote to Mortar M. <=-

    I've installed Linux Mint on mum's pc, and the only anoyance is the
    canon printer driver can't see how much ink is left. I did do a test install of W11 after running refus though it to remove the TPM
    requirement etc, but the are no printer drivers fro her printer, and
    the w10 ones won't work.. arghhh...

    I have a Canon MX 922, and it's kooky. It's got separate CYMK tanks, plus a second black tank for black and white prints. There's an LED underneath
    the installed cartridge that glows red. Any low cartridge blinks.

    I hate inkjet printers with the fire of a thousand suns, but I love this
    one. It's got a scanner, 50 sheet feeder, separate paper trays for
    regular and photo paper - so no swapping paper or paper hanging out.

    Ink is $14 per set, and best of all - the printer was free!

    I found it on the side of the road, brought it home, tried printing and
    got an accordion jam on the exit side. Looked into the printer and saw
    that a highlighter had fallen back there. Shook it out, and VOILA! free
    printer AND free highlighter!






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 4 16:44:04 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Vorlon <=-


    Although Microsoft does produce some of their own PCs, I don't think they're very common. If someone buys a new system, it would likely be
    a different brand of computer, and Microsoft would only be getting paid for a Windows license (either from the computer's OEM, or if the user built their own PC, they may have bought a Windows licence to install Windows on it legally and for support).

    I'm sure there's some pathway where Microsoft pays Microsoft for Windows licenses on Surface tablets and laptops.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Mortar M. on Sat Apr 5 09:52:41 2025
    Re: Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Mortar M. to Arelor on Tue Apr 01 2025 02:29 pm

    The downside is that gathering a healthy Windows 7 plus drivers is a bit more work than usual these days since all the hardware that used to be suported is EOLed.

    That only applies to Windows Updates and security patches. The OS itself will work just fine, just keep it offline. I mention this (wow, deja vu!) 'cause I've run across a few people that thought EOL meant it would
    just die

    What I meant is I have a Windows 7 era laptop around, and I can't download most of its drivers from the manufacturers because they shut the respective download pages down after 10 years of operation. If you ever need to reinstall this thing you are up for a rough ride.

    So basically you have to fish for the drivers at Russian warez sites or dedicated retro sites.

    Can you do it? Yes. But it is more work than it should.

    Also, Windows 7 activation services are down so you need to crack the thing in order to get rid of piracy warnings.



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Sat Apr 5 09:51:09 2025
    Re: Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Arelor to Mortar M. on Sat Apr 05 2025 09:52 am

    What I meant is I have a Windows 7 era laptop around, and I can't download most of its drivers from the manufacturers because they shut the respective download pages down after 10 years of operation. If you ever need to reinstall this thing you are up for a rough ride.

    While a certain version of Windows is still actively supported, it can be good to go download the drivers & things and make a backup of those somewhere in case you ever need to re-install it from scratch.

    Nightfox
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Sun Apr 6 18:18:45 2025
    Re: Re: Linux gaming on low end PC's?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Apr 05 2025 09:51 am

    While a certain version of Windows is still actively supported, it can be good to go download the drivers & things and make a backup of those somewhere in case you ever need to re-install it from scratch.

    Absolutely, but the real world operates under non-ideal conditions.

    Real condition: your parents hand you down some old hardware they no longer want because it is too old. You install Linux on it. Five years later you want to install the most modern Windows that can run on the machine in order to play some native games. Then you discover all drivers are scattered across a wide range of retro and warez sites and are nowhere to be found from official sources.

    My policy for my own computers is to keep on hand the necessary material to rebuild my installs without Internet access if I ever need it, but trying does not mean you can always achieve it.


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/196 to Nightfox on Thu Apr 10 10:55:50 2025
    Hi Nightfox,

    On Tuesday April 01 2025, Nightfox said to Vorlon:

    I mention this (wow, deja vu!) 'cause I've run across a few people
    that thought EOL meant it would just...die, shut down forever, etc.

    That is what MS want people to think. That the computer will just stop
    working. They want people to go out and purchase a brand new system.
    Even though the hardware of the current PC would do the job (Minus the
    stupid W11+ requirements).

    Although Microsoft does produce some of their own PCs, I don't think they're very common. If someone buys a new system, it would likely be a different brand of computer, and Microsoft would only be getting paid
    for a Windows license (either from the computer's OEM, or if the user
    built their own PC, they may have bought a Windows licence to install Windows on it legally and for support).

    I didn't say anything about MS's own hardware products. I'm talking about
    any computer that runs windows that is comming to EOL as far as MS thinks.
    I've had to tell people that the machine they run won't stop working in october, just that ms won't be releasing any security patches etc.

    I've heard sales of Windows isn't Microsoft's biggest income generator anymore though, as sales of computers has shrunk a bit and people are
    [...]
    email etc. probably provide a lot of revenue for Microsoft. I'd guess
    more so than home users.

    Yes they are pushing everything to the cloud.. Just look at the way ondrive takes over a machine and makes it very messy to get out of it.


    \/orlon
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    Stephen

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  • From Vorlon@21:1/196 to Mortar M. on Thu Apr 10 11:01:47 2025
    Hi Mortar.

    On Wednesday April 02 2025, Mortar M. said to Vorlon:

    I've installed Linux Mint on mum's pc, and the only anoyance is the
    canon printer driver can't see how much ink is left.

    What I'll probably end up doing is use Win10+VirtualBox when I need the scanner, which isn't often, but enough to need it.

    Just use the old machine with no internet connection and things will be
    fine.


    \/orlon
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    Stephen

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  • From Vorlon@21:1/196 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 10 11:04:15 2025
    Hi Poindexter Fortran,

    On Friday April 04 2025, Poindexter Fortran said to Vorlon:

    I've installed Linux Mint on mum's pc, and the only anoyance is the
    canon printer driver can't see how much ink is left. I did do a test
    install of W11 after running refus though it to remove the TPM
    requirement etc, but the are no printer drivers fro her printer, and
    the w10 ones won't work.. arghhh...

    I have a Canon MX 922, and it's kooky. It's got separate CYMK tanks,
    plus a second black tank for black and white prints. There's an LED underneath the installed cartridge that glows red. Any low cartridge blinks.

    Mum's is a 420 something.. It has a flip up lcd that shows ink status, so
    she's not left with it just stopping....

    I found it on the side of the road, brought it home, tried printing and got an accordion jam on the exit side. Looked into the printer and saw that a highlighter had fallen back there. Shook it out, and VOILA! free printer AND free highlighter!

    hahha. Some pleople just don't do even basic stuff to find out why it dosn't work... Your gain!.


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    Stephen

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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to Vorlon on Thu Apr 10 18:57:03 2025
    the TPM requirement etc, but there are no printer drivers for her
    printer, and the w10 ones won't work.. arghhh...

    Have you thought about putting the printer on a network print server? Either making one with a single-board-computer or buying some old commercial one off eBay?
    Or junk/recycling place :)



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