• Re: AI-generated lead actors Three Guns at Dawn

    From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 13 11:01:23 2026
    BTR1701 wrote in article <11851v4$92m0$2@dont-email.me>:
    I wouldn't want to see the original episodes redone. Well, maybe the one with the planet devourer. That might be cool. But mostly I'd want to see *new* stories using the original characters as they were at the time.


    Strongly agreed. I like that most of the AI users are doing new
    stories, not remakes.

    I have many doubts and concerns about generative AI, but it's not
    going back in the bottle. I'm glad at least some of what's made
    isn't total crap.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 13 11:02:23 2026
    Rhino wrote in article <1185558$7m8c$1@dont-email.me>:
    Absolutely, that would be great. But I'd like to see at least one of the original episodes with the rough edges polished, just to see how I like
    it. Maybe it would feel "wrong" and I wouldn't want any more of the
    polished remakes but I'd at least like to see it tried.


    You could try it yourself.

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 20 21:14:26 2026
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-12 11:17 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I'm sure the various guilds will throw a fit until the government passes laws
    guaranteeing actors have veto power over the use of their images so they can
    still make outrageous salary demands.

    Decades after Humphrey Bogart's death, his estate licenses his image,
    typically in character as Sam Spade. The face is his. The character was
    created by Dashiell Hammett, the costume by interpreting the stories and
    script by the wardrobe supervisor.

    Should wardrobe get paid?

    Speaking of Bogart, do you remember the actor with the strong
    resemblance to Bogart that made a career out of imitating him. He even
    did a film called The Man With Bogart's Face.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0755017/


    There?s also Jerry Lacy, who was the crazy evil Reverend in dark shadows,
    and even played Bogart in Play It Again, Sam.

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 20 21:14:27 2026
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-12 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 12, 2026 at 12:33:18 AM PDT, "Theory11"
    <user5999@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted:

    Paul Schrader's Three Guns at Dawn is about three brothers, black, from >>>> South Central. All three are corrupt. He claims that when he and Anthony >>>> Fuqua sent the script around, no black actor wanted to consider the
    movie lacking any good black characters.


    https://theplaylist.net/paul-schrader-ai-black-actors-three-guns-at-dawn-20260906/

    https://theplaylist.net/three-guns-at-dawn-paul-schrader-thinks-he-should-co-direct-south-central-noir-with-a-black-filmmaker-20240102/

    The project has been in development for years. He'd brought on Fuqua to >>>> have a black co-director, but Fuqua has now left.

    He's doing it as AI instead.

    This video points out all the unemployed actors and surely it would have >>>> been possible to cast with people willing to perform the script in
    exchange for pay. However, the video still argues Schrader should have >>>> made the script more acceptable, taking the note from the actors who
    rejected it. I certainly don't agree that anyone not associated with a >>>> project gets to issue notes. But I find it disturbing Schrader wouldn't have
    just cast unknowns.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f39LB-nE1Q

    AI is the future. Especially when it becomes cheaper to use than paying
    actors.

    They really should have waited a few years to make ROGUE ONE. They did CGI >> overlays of the faces of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher onto live actors, >> which was passable but still noticeable as SFX. But with the AI tech I'm
    seeing produced just by random YouTubers these days, I have to think a company
    with Lucasfilm's resources would now be able to generate completely digital >> doubles for dead actors that are indistinguishable from the real people.

    There was a new Dr Who story made with AI released the other day. It's
    not perfect but it was an impressive start. Hollywood might need to start >>> taking pay cuts. Mr Claude is not leaving town anytime soon.

    Indeed, it's getting to the point where they could make a STAR WARS sequel >> with the original characters, aged as they were in the 70s, with both their >> appearances and voicings generated by AI and it would look fantastic. And the
    visual effects? No more models, not even hours spent rendering layers in CGI.
    The AI creates an entire hyper-realistic looking space battle sequence in
    seconds.

    I think AI has the potential to be the salvation of some of the very
    tired franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars, which have shown
    themselves to alienate ever more fans from the franchise because each succeeding edition has less in common with what drew people to the
    franchise originally.

    Imagine seeing the original Star Trek episodes done with top-quality AI
    but with all the flaws buffed out. By flaws, I mean everything from all those inconsistencies that annoy fans like which deck Kirk's cabin is on

    I resemble that remark


    up to the bad writing in really horrible episodes like Spock's Brain.
    Then revise and produce all the original scripts that didn't get made
    for one reason or another, especially budget, so that there are entirely
    new episodes. Then go through the aftermarket books and grab the really worthwhile stories for even MORE episodes. Write entirely new episodes
    that are CONSISTENT with the revised, fully-consistent canon. Something
    like that could conceivably run for decades without ever having to worry about aging actors or outrageous salary demands.

    Now apply that same thinking to all the other franchises and you've got
    a real money machine in the making. You could also make franchises of
    worthy TV series and films from the past that were never made into franchises.




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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 20 21:14:28 2026
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-12 10:32 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 12, 2026 at 3:41:42 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    On 2026-09-12 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 12, 2026 at 12:33:18 AM PDT, "Theory11"
    <user5999@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted:

    Paul Schrader's Three Guns at Dawn is about three brothers, black, from >>>>>> South Central. All three are corrupt. He claims that when he and Anthony >>>>>> Fuqua sent the script around, no black actor wanted to consider the >>>>>> movie lacking any good black characters.



    https://theplaylist.net/paul-schrader-ai-black-actors-three-guns-at-dawn-20260906/


    https://theplaylist.net/three-guns-at-dawn-paul-schrader-thinks-he-should-co-direct-south-central-noir-with-a-black-filmmaker-20240102/

    The project has been in development for years. He'd brought on Fuqua to >>>>>> have a black co-director, but Fuqua has now left.

    He's doing it as AI instead.

    This video points out all the unemployed actors and surely it would have >>>>>> been possible to cast with people willing to perform the script in >>>>>> exchange for pay. However, the video still argues Schrader should have >>>>>> made the script more acceptable, taking the note from the actors who >>>>>> rejected it. I certainly don't agree that anyone not associated with a >>>>>> project gets to issue notes. But I find it disturbing Schrader wouldn't >>>>>> have
    just cast unknowns.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f39LB-nE1Q

    AI is the future. Especially when it becomes cheaper to use than paying >>>>> actors.

    They really should have waited a few years to make ROGUE ONE. They did CGI >>>> overlays of the faces of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher onto live actors, >>>> which was passable but still noticeable as SFX. But with the AI tech I'm >>>> seeing produced just by random YouTubers these days, I have to think a >>>> company
    with Lucasfilm's resources would now be able to generate completely digital
    doubles for dead actors that are indistinguishable from the real people. >>>>
    There was a new Dr Who story made with AI released the other day. It's >>>>> not perfect but it was an impressive start. Hollywood might need to start >>>>> taking pay cuts. Mr Claude is not leaving town anytime soon.

    Indeed, it's getting to the point where they could make a STAR WARS sequel >>>> with the original characters, aged as they were in the 70s, with both their
    appearances and voicings generated by AI and it would look fantastic. And >>>> the
    visual effects? No more models, not even hours spent rendering layers in >>>> CGI.
    The AI creates an entire hyper-realistic looking space battle sequence in >>>> seconds.

    I think AI has the potential to be the salvation of some of the very
    tired franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars, which have shown
    themselves to alienate ever more fans from the franchise because each
    succeeding edition has less in common with what drew people to the
    franchise originally.

    Imagine seeing the original Star Trek episodes done with top-quality AI
    but with all the flaws buffed out.

    I wouldn't want to see the original episodes redone. Well, maybe the one with
    the planet devourer. That might be cool. But mostly I'd want to see *new*
    stories using the original characters as they were at the time.

    Absolutely, that would be great. But I'd like to see at least one of the original episodes with the rough edges polished, just to see how I like
    it. Maybe it would feel "wrong" and I wouldn't want any more of the
    polished remakes but I'd at least like to see it tried.

    By flaws, I mean everything from all
    those inconsistencies that annoy fans like which deck Kirk's cabin is on >>> up to the bad writing in really horrible episodes like Spock's Brain.
    Then revise and produce all the original scripts that didn't get made
    for one reason or another, especially budget, so that there are entirely >>> new episodes. Then go through the aftermarket books and grab the really
    worthwhile stories for even MORE episodes.

    The book that explains the planet devourer was created as a weapon against the
    Borg and leads to the discovery of an even more powerful version than the
    prototype, just as the Borg are coming for the Federation... that would be a >> cool one to do.

    I'd love to see that.
    The original episode is my all-time favourite episode for sheer edge-of-the-seat excitement alone. I thought William Windom was great in
    it too, probably the single best guest star performance in the series.

    Windom hated that episode and trek in general. Many years ago he was here
    on stage and when the local fish wrap asked him about Star Trek. He went on
    a rant about what a piece of crap it was and how the entire show was just a joke.

    Years later, he found out there was money to be made selling photos and
    signing autographs and making personal appearances and he changed his tune big-time. He even appeared in his old age in fan films.


    (It was Jimmy Doohan's favourite episode too, or so he said anyway.)


    That surprises me. While it?s a fan favorite, Scotty really doesn?t have
    much to do in it. You would think Doohan would have liked one of the ones
    where Scotty fell in love or something better.


    Write entirely new episodes
    that are CONSISTENT with the revised, fully-consistent canon. Something
    like that could conceivably run for decades without ever having to worry >>> about aging actors or outrageous salary demands.


    But the revised Canon wasn?t true at the time they were making the show.
    It?s full of mistakes made in TNG and then applied retroactively to real
    trek.


    I'm sure the various guilds will throw a fit until the government passes laws
    guaranteeing actors have veto power over the use of their images so they can >> still make outrageous salary demands.

    Didn't the issue of AI recreations of actors get settled during the last
    set of strikes? I was sure that it was one of the key issues....




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