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  • Minnesota: You Can Have the 2A or the 4A but You Can't Have Both

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 02:45:24 2026
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePlQyw3SE0&t=301s

    Minnesota's new gun control law will require all existing owners of handguns and rifles to register them with the state and to agree to warrantless home inspections by the police to ensure they're being properly stored.

    Basically, the state is telling its citizens that they can have the 2nd Amendment or the 4th Amendment, but they can?t have both.

    What no one ever explains is how these warrantless inspections would even work as a practical matter. Suppose the police show up to inspect your guns. They knock on the door and receive no answer because you're at work or at the
    movies or just don't feel like answering your door. What do they do?

    Do they leave a card requesting you contact them to schedule a time? That
    would seem to moot the point of the inspection if the person knows you're coming ahead of time.

    Do they just leave and come back another time? How many times do they come
    back after receiving no answer do they make? And then what?

    Do they kick in your door and search your home for your guns without you even present? What if you have a dog that reacts badly to people intruding in its home? Can they shoot your dog to perform this inspection?

    As bad as this law is on its face, it could be logarithmically worse depending on the answers to those questions, questions no one ever seems to have answers to.



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 23:17:00 2026
    On 2026-04-21 10:45 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePlQyw3SE0&t=301s

    Minnesota's new gun control law will require all existing owners of handguns and rifles to register them with the state and to agree to warrantless home inspections by the police to ensure they're being properly stored.

    Basically, the state is telling its citizens that they can have the 2nd Amendment or the 4th Amendment, but they can?t have both.

    What no one ever explains is how these warrantless inspections would even work
    as a practical matter. Suppose the police show up to inspect your guns. They knock on the door and receive no answer because you're at work or at the movies or just don't feel like answering your door. What do they do?

    Do they leave a card requesting you contact them to schedule a time? That would seem to moot the point of the inspection if the person knows you're coming ahead of time.

    Do they just leave and come back another time? How many times do they come back after receiving no answer do they make? And then what?

    Do they kick in your door and search your home for your guns without you even present? What if you have a dog that reacts badly to people intruding in its home? Can they shoot your dog to perform this inspection?

    As bad as this law is on its face, it could be logarithmically worse depending
    on the answers to those questions, questions no one ever seems to have answers
    to.


    If ever I heard of a law that was begging for a court challenge, this is
    it. There must be lawyers dreaming of the chance to take this to court
    just so that they will be known as a champion of the Second or Fourth Amendments. Any judge who's actually read the Constitution should have
    no trouble recognizing this as an utterly un-Constitutional law so it
    should be an easy victory for the lawyer fighting this law.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 23:35:46 2026
    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 02:45:24 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePlQyw3SE0&t=301s

    Minnesota's new gun control law will require all existing owners of handguns >and rifles to register them with the state and to agree to warrantless home >inspections by the police to ensure they're being properly stored.

    Basically, the state is telling its citizens that they can have the 2nd >Amendment or the 4th Amendment, but they can?t have both.

    What no one ever explains is how these warrantless inspections would even work >as a practical matter. Suppose the police show up to inspect your guns. They >knock on the door and receive no answer because you're at work or at the >movies or just don't feel like answering your door. What do they do?

    Do they leave a card requesting you contact them to schedule a time? That >would seem to moot the point of the inspection if the person knows you're >coming ahead of time.

    Do they just leave and come back another time? How many times do they come >back after receiving no answer do they make? And then what?

    How many inspections can they make? Can they decide to inspect your
    home every week or is this a one time inspection?

    Do they kick in your door and search your home for your guns without you even >present? What if you have a dog that reacts badly to people intruding in its >home? Can they shoot your dog to perform this inspection?

    As bad as this law is on its face, it could be logarithmically worse depending >on the answers to those questions, questions no one ever seems to have answers >to.


    That would suggest the goal isn't gun safety.

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  • From NoBody@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 07:33:30 2026
    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 02:45:24 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePlQyw3SE0&t=301s

    Minnesota's new gun control law will require all existing owners of handguns >and rifles to register them with the state and to agree to warrantless home >inspections by the police to ensure they're being properly stored.

    Basically, the state is telling its citizens that they can have the 2nd >Amendment or the 4th Amendment, but they can?t have both.

    What no one ever explains is how these warrantless inspections would even work >as a practical matter. Suppose the police show up to inspect your guns. They >knock on the door and receive no answer because you're at work or at the >movies or just don't feel like answering your door. What do they do?

    Do they leave a card requesting you contact them to schedule a time? That >would seem to moot the point of the inspection if the person knows you're >coming ahead of time.

    Do they just leave and come back another time? How many times do they come >back after receiving no answer do they make? And then what?

    Do they kick in your door and search your home for your guns without you even >present? What if you have a dog that reacts badly to people intruding in its >home? Can they shoot your dog to perform this inspection?

    As bad as this law is on its face, it could be logarithmically worse depending >on the answers to those questions, questions no one ever seems to have answers >to.


    Court case on its way.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 15:26:01 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePlQyw3SE0&t=301s

    Minnesota's new gun control law will require all existing owners of handguns >and rifles to register them with the state and to agree to warrantless home >inspections by the police to ensure they're being properly stored.

    Alex Pretti, protesting immigration law enforcement, was shot dead by
    federal agents under color of federal law, not state law. He had a
    lawful right to carry under state law. He was shot, already in custody
    and subdued on the ground, by federal agents, when the gun was found in
    search.

    Police do not respect the lives of those carrying guns who are not
    brandishing them or threatening police in any way. Why should they
    respect their privacy at home? Why do you care about privacy rights
    against warrantless search and not, well, their lives?

    . . .

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 12:07:27 2026
    On 4/21/2026 11:35 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 02:45:24 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePlQyw3SE0&t=301s

    Minnesota's new gun control law will require all existing owners of handguns >> and rifles to register them with the state and to agree to warrantless home >> inspections by the police to ensure they're being properly stored.

    Basically, the state is telling its citizens that they can have the 2nd
    Amendment or the 4th Amendment, but they can?t have both.

    What no one ever explains is how these warrantless inspections would even work
    as a practical matter. Suppose the police show up to inspect your guns. They >> knock on the door and receive no answer because you're at work or at the
    movies or just don't feel like answering your door. What do they do?

    Do they leave a card requesting you contact them to schedule a time? That
    would seem to moot the point of the inspection if the person knows you're
    coming ahead of time.

    Do they just leave and come back another time? How many times do they come >> back after receiving no answer do they make? And then what?

    How many inspections can they make? Can they decide to inspect your
    home every week or is this a one time inspection?

    For the same reason it can't be scheduled, neither can it be one-time.


    Do they kick in your door and search your home for your guns without you even
    present? What if you have a dog that reacts badly to people intruding in its >> home? Can they shoot your dog to perform this inspection?

    As bad as this law is on its face, it could be logarithmically worse depending
    on the answers to those questions, questions no one ever seems to have answers
    to.

    That would suggest the goal isn't gun safety.

    Indeed, the factions are far too polarized for such niceties.



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