And here we all thought woke was dead.


https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/



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On 2026-03-18 12:15 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

And here we all thought woke was dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/

So what happens if the infant doesn't give consent? Obviously he or she
isn't going to say a direct "no" but what if their reaction to the
request to change the diaper gets a negative response, like the baby
crying or squirming or somehow signalling that it's not keen on a
change? Do they just leave it in its own filth until it finally gives
consent?

The whole idea of getting consent is preposterous when the baby can't
even express consent or probably even formulate the concept of consent.
I would think a young child is not capable of very much at all beyond
being unhappy (due to a wet or full diaper) or feeling hungry.

And what happens when the child is older and *can* give consent? If you
tell it to change its clothes because they need to be washed or because
the youngster is starting to smell, do you just let it keep the same
clothes on out of respect for its autonomy, even if that will eventually
breed diseases or at least make it a social outcast?

I can't help but think this is not going to make for a nice human being
but rather than a creature whose ego is all-consuming: every whim it has
MUST be satisfied or it will react very badly indeed.

--
Rhino

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

And here we all thought woke was dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/

I looked at the report as summarized by the article. I suppose I see
what they are getting at, the parent speaking in a soothing tone of
voice while explaining what's happening during the diaper change.

I don't see how that's harmful. I certainly speak in sentences to my dog
but give commands with terse words or very brief phrases. I'm not
expecting a reply.

This is more about attitude of the parent than anything else without
usefully teaching the inexperienced parent to change a diaper with
minimal fuss.

But the conclusion that somehow the infant is being taught a lesson in
autonomy and this mitigates against future sexual assault is idiotic.

Babies are helpless, by definition. There is no autonomy. The most
experienced pediatric nurses, nannies, and parents have learned to fully control the baby, whipping off the dirty diaper, cleaning, then putting
on the clean diaper so quickly that the baby has no time to fuss.
Parents with zero experience with babies, never having been taught this
when other babies when younger, cannot do this, and no amount of
soothing talk keeps the baby from fussing. If the baby fusses and the
parent gets frustrated when changing the diaper, nothing about this
advice is helpful and the baby won't have a good experience. Either way,
it means exactly nothing for the baby's future safety beyond infancy.

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On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 16:15:20 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:

And here we all thought woke was dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/

Strange - my kids are grown now but being hungry and being poopy were
the only two things that made them cry

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On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 11:38:26 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

I don't see how that's harmful. I certainly speak in sentences to my dog
but give commands with terse words or very brief phrases. I'm not
expecting a reply.

Me too - I probably talk to him far more than my late wife did (he was
her dog before he was mine - and taking care of him now is my
department though I've been ignoring him today since giving him
breakfast)

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On 2026-03-19 20:08:06 +0000, The Horny Goat said:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 16:15:20 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:

And here we all thought woke was dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for-consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/

Strange - my kids are grown now but being hungry and being poopy were
the only two things that made them cry

And that was only this mornging. ;-p


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And here we all thought woke was dead.


https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for- consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/




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On 2026-03-18 12:15 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

And here we all thought woke was dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for- consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/

So what happens if the infant doesn't give consent? Obviously he or she

isn't going to say a direct "no" but what if their reaction to the
request to change the diaper gets a negative response, like the baby
crying or squirming or somehow signalling that it's not keen on a
change? Do they just leave it in its own filth until it finally gives
consent?

The whole idea of getting consent is preposterous when the baby can't
even express consent or probably even formulate the concept of consent.

I would think a young child is not capable of very much at all beyond
being unhappy (due to a wet or full diaper) or feeling hungry.

And what happens when the child is older and *can* give consent? If you

tell it to change its clothes because they need to be washed or because

the youngster is starting to smell, do you just let it keep the same
clothes on out of respect for its autonomy, even if that will
eventually
breed diseases or at least make it a social outcast?

I can't help but think this is not going to make for a nice human being

but rather than a creature whose ego is all-consuming: every whim it
has
MUST be satisfied or it will react very badly indeed.

--
Rhino


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

And here we all thought woke was dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/lifestyle/parents-should-ask-babies-for-
consent-before-changing-their-diapers-experts/

I looked at the report as summarized by the article. I suppose I see
what they are getting at, the parent speaking in a soothing tone of
voice while explaining what's happening during the diaper change.

I don't see how that's harmful. I certainly speak in sentences to my
dog
but give commands with terse words or very brief phrases. I'm not
expecting a reply.

This is more about attitude of the parent than anything else without
usefully teaching the inexperienced parent to change a diaper with
minimal fuss.

But the conclusion that somehow the infant is being taught a lesson in
autonomy and this mitigates against future sexual assault is idiotic.

Babies are helpless, by definition. There is no autonomy. The most
experienced pediatric nurses, nannies, and parents have learned to
fully
control the baby, whipping off the dirty diaper, cleaning, then putting
on the clean diaper so quickly that the baby has no time to fuss.
Parents with zero experience with babies, never having been taught this
when other babies when younger, cannot do this, and no amount of
soothing talk keeps the baby from fussing. If the baby fusses and the
parent gets frustrated when changing the diaper, nothing about this
advice is helpful and the baby won't have a good experience. Either
way,
it means exactly nothing for the baby's future safety beyond infancy.


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