• Oxford, England Becomes First Official "15-Minute City"

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 04:54:53 2026
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist
    elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World Order agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it
    becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city',
    where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year. After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and
    Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city" plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 05:14:46 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford >Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist >elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World Order >agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it >becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes >you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a >permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year. >After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your >government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.

    The right to travel isn't in the US Constitution. It's from common law.
    There may be no statute but a presumed natural right.

    The UK has lost common law.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones and >I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    Where is Snake Plissken?

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and >Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city" >plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital >prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    You've exceeded your allowance for glasses of water and breaths you take.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 08:35:03 2026
    On 2026-01-29 11:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World Order agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year. After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones and I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city" plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.


    I saw a video a year or two back - I believe it was from Oxford - and
    the guy making it was a motorcyclist. He drove his bike past some of the barriers impeding cars from using certain routes and pointed out that
    several of these barriers had been pushed aside overnight by mysterious forces. Clearly, there would be opportunities for people to move these obstacles around is they felt so inclined.

    The obvious antidote to that is to put up surveillance cameras but that
    won't necessarily solve the problem. There was a particularly notorious
    speed camera in Toronto that got ripped out at least a half dozen times
    AFTER they put up a surveillance camera and no one ever caught the
    guy/group who was doing it. (Then Doug Ford abolished speed cameras province-wide.)

    The whole concept of 15 minute cities is preposterous unless every place
    you'd want to go is within those 15 minutes but how many people work
    that close to their homes, have all their kids schools that close, and
    have most facilities they use frequently that close by? I'd estimate
    damned few of them! If you then have a quota of "free" trips that is too
    low to accommodate the places that are farther away, you are punishing
    people quite severely. You're basically putting them in lockdown except
    that this time it wouldn't be "for two weeks to flatten the curve", it
    would be FOREVER.





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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 18:40:44 2026
    On Jan 30, 2026 at 5:35:03 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-29 11:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist
    elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World
    Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it
    becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >> where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >> everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.



    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >> doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones >> and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and
    Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital >> prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.


    I saw a video a year or two back - I believe it was from Oxford - and
    the guy making it was a motorcyclist. He drove his bike past some of the barriers impeding cars from using certain routes and pointed out that several of these barriers had been pushed aside overnight by mysterious forces. Clearly, there would be opportunities for people to move these obstacles around is they felt so inclined.

    The obvious antidote to that is to put up surveillance cameras but that won't necessarily solve the problem. There was a particularly notorious speed camera in Toronto that got ripped out at least a half dozen times AFTER they put up a surveillance camera and no one ever caught the
    guy/group who was doing it. (Then Doug Ford abolished speed cameras province-wide.)

    The whole concept of 15 minute cities is preposterous unless every place you'd want to go is within those 15 minutes but how many people work
    that close to their homes, have all their kids schools that close, and
    have most facilities they use frequently that close by?

    Or who don't have friends or relatives that live in other parts of town. Or want to go see a baseball game or go to a theme park or attend a party. Life for most normal people is literally full of things that are more than 15 minutes from their home. In L.A. this would go over like a turd in a swimming pool as literally millions of people would be caught living in one zone and working in another and being told you'll be fined hundreds of dollars/day just for commuting to work... well, if you think those ICE riots were bad...

    And leaving the practical details aside, why does the government think it has the authority to do this in the first place? It simply doesn't. At least not here.

    I'd estimate damned few of them! If you then have a quota of "free" trips that is too
    low to accommodate the places that are farther away, you are punishing people quite severely.

    My first response: Who the fuck are you to give me a quota of "freedom permits". Fuck all the way off before I shove those permits so far up your
    ass, you'll be able to taste the flavor of the ink on them.

    You're basically putting them in lockdown except
    that this time it wouldn't be "for two weeks to flatten the curve", it
    would be FOREVER.

    And if you're one of the globalist elite, that's sounds just fine.

    I'd be curious to find out how many "freedom permits" the mayor and the city council of Oxford are allowed? Is it the same as the mere peons or do they not even bother with permits at all. If you're one of the special few, do you
    still get to go wherever you want whenever you want?



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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 18:51:26 2026
    On Jan 30, 2026 at 5:35:03 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-29 11:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist
    elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World
    Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it
    becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >> where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >> everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >> doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones >> and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and
    Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital >> prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    I saw a video a year or two back - I believe it was from Oxford - and
    the guy making it was a motorcyclist. He drove his bike past some of the barriers impeding cars from using certain routes and pointed out that several of these barriers had been pushed aside overnight by mysterious forces. Clearly, there would be opportunities for people to move these obstacles around is they felt so inclined.

    The obvious antidote to that is to put up surveillance cameras but that won't necessarily solve the problem. There was a particularly notorious speed camera in Toronto that got ripped out at least a half dozen times AFTER they put up a surveillance camera and no one ever caught the
    guy/group who was doing it. (Then Doug Ford abolished speed cameras province-wide.)

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The light was obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle three times and never got a green arrow, so I just went through when it was clear, only to get a dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a judge had ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He told me to just ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce it. They just leave the cameras up because most people don't know they're unenforceable and will just pay the fine. So I ignored it and it's been two and a half years and nothing has happened, so I guess my friend was right.



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 18:58:09 2026
    On 2026-01-30 1:51 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jan 30, 2026 at 5:35:03 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-29 11:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist >>> elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World >>> Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it >>> becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >>> where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >>> everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >>> doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones >>> and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and >>> Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital
    prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    I saw a video a year or two back - I believe it was from Oxford - and
    the guy making it was a motorcyclist. He drove his bike past some of the
    barriers impeding cars from using certain routes and pointed out that
    several of these barriers had been pushed aside overnight by mysterious
    forces. Clearly, there would be opportunities for people to move these
    obstacles around is they felt so inclined.

    The obvious antidote to that is to put up surveillance cameras but that
    won't necessarily solve the problem. There was a particularly notorious
    speed camera in Toronto that got ripped out at least a half dozen times
    AFTER they put up a surveillance camera and no one ever caught the
    guy/group who was doing it. (Then Doug Ford abolished speed cameras
    province-wide.)

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The light was obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle three times and never
    got a green arrow, so I just went through when it was clear, only to get a dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a judge had ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He told me to just ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce it. They just leave the cameras up because most people don't know they're unenforceable and will just pay the fine. So I ignored it and it's been two and a half years and nothing has happened, so I guess my friend was right.


    After the courts ruled the cameras unconstitutional, for the county to
    leave the cameras up and continuing to send out fine notices and keeping
    the money starts to resemble criminal activity pretty closely. I'm not
    sure *what* crime it is closest to but "obtaining money under false
    pretenses" or "fraud" feel right.

    I'm surprised news of this doesn't spread by word of mouth so that
    everyone just knows that the tickets can be ignored. Are people afraid
    that letting the cat out of the bag will enable the government to find
    some legal way to get the money? I wonder how many people there are who
    know the tickets are unenforceable and simply decline to pay like you
    did? An honest journalist - if such a unicorn actually exists - could
    talkto the county authorities and ask what percentage of people pay
    their fines and what happens to those who don't, then report on the
    answer. Overnight, I expect the revenue from those cameras would plummet
    to near zero.

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    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 19:03:58 2026
    On 2026-01-30 1:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jan 30, 2026 at 5:35:03 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-29 11:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist >>> elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World >>> Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it >>> becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >>> where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >>> everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.



    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >>> doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones >>> and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and >>> Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital
    prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.


    I saw a video a year or two back - I believe it was from Oxford - and
    the guy making it was a motorcyclist. He drove his bike past some of the
    barriers impeding cars from using certain routes and pointed out that
    several of these barriers had been pushed aside overnight by mysterious
    forces. Clearly, there would be opportunities for people to move these
    obstacles around is they felt so inclined.

    The obvious antidote to that is to put up surveillance cameras but that
    won't necessarily solve the problem. There was a particularly notorious
    speed camera in Toronto that got ripped out at least a half dozen times
    AFTER they put up a surveillance camera and no one ever caught the
    guy/group who was doing it. (Then Doug Ford abolished speed cameras
    province-wide.)

    The whole concept of 15 minute cities is preposterous unless every place
    you'd want to go is within those 15 minutes but how many people work
    that close to their homes, have all their kids schools that close, and
    have most facilities they use frequently that close by?

    Or who don't have friends or relatives that live in other parts of town. Or want to go see a baseball game or go to a theme park or attend a party. Life for most normal people is literally full of things that are more than 15 minutes from their home.

    Exactly. I listed the obvious things like work and school but there are obviously a great many more reasons to leave your zone.

    In L.A. this would go over like a turd in a swimming
    pool as literally millions of people would be caught living in one zone and working in another and being told you'll be fined hundreds of dollars/day just
    for commuting to work... well, if you think those ICE riots were bad...

    And leaving the practical details aside, why does the government think it has the authority to do this in the first place? It simply doesn't. At least not here.

    It should never have that authority ANYWHERE that people consider
    themselves free.

    I'd estimate damned few of them! If you then have a quota of "free" trips
    that is too
    low to accommodate the places that are farther away, you are punishing
    people quite severely.

    My first response: Who the fuck are you to give me a quota of "freedom permits". Fuck all the way off before I shove those permits so far up your ass, you'll be able to taste the flavor of the ink on them.

    You're basically putting them in lockdown except
    that this time it wouldn't be "for two weeks to flatten the curve", it
    would be FOREVER.

    And if you're one of the globalist elite, that's sounds just fine.

    I'd be curious to find out how many "freedom permits" the mayor and the city council of Oxford are allowed? Is it the same as the mere peons or do they not
    even bother with permits at all. If you're one of the special few, do you still get to go wherever you want whenever you want?


    I'd be truly shocked if they had to live by the same rules; they ALWAYS
    seem to exempt themselves from the restrictions they impose on others,
    either formally or unofficially. (In the latter case, they are
    theoretically required to follow the same rules but whoever enforces the
    rule simply never notices the leaders breaking the rules because they
    value their job or freedom.)


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 07:04:22 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The light was >obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle three times and never >got a green arrow, so I just went through when it was clear, only to get a >dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a judge had >ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He told me to just >ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce it. They just leave the >cameras up because most people don't know they're unenforceable and will just >pay the fine. So I ignored it and it's been two and a half years and nothing >has happened, so I guess my friend was right.

    Was it something sprcific to the county, or does the judge feel
    automated law enforcement is generally unconstitutional?

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 16:17:29 2026
    On Jan 30, 2026 at 11:04:22 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The light was >> obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle three times and
    never
    got a green arrow, so I just went through when it was clear, only to get a >> dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a judge had >> ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He told me to just
    ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce it. They just leave the >> cameras up because most people don't know they're unenforceable and will just
    pay the fine. So I ignored it and it's been two and a half years and nothing >> has happened, so I guess my friend was right.

    Was it something sprcific to the county, or does the judge feel
    automated law enforcement is generally unconstitutional?

    It was a violation of the right to confront your accuser.



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 18:22:48 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 30, 2026 at 11:04:22 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The
    light was obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle
    three times and never got a green arrow, so I just went through when
    it was clear, only to get a dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera
    went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a
    judge had ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He
    told me to just ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce
    it. They just leave the cameras up because most people don't know
    they're unenforceable and will just pay the fine. So I ignored it and >>>it's been two and a half years and nothing has happened, so I guess
    my friend was right.

    Was it something sprcific to the county, or does the judge feel
    automated law enforcement is generally unconstitutional?

    It was a violation of the right to confront your accuser.

    Excellent. I've never understood how there could be any automated law enforcement procedures that don't violate the confrontation clause, but
    judges don't generally rule that way.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 18:39:00 2026
    On Jan 31, 2026 at 10:22:48 AM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 30, 2026 at 11:04:22 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The
    light was obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle
    three times and never got a green arrow, so I just went through when
    it was clear, only to get a dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera
    went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a
    judge had ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He
    told me to just ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce
    it. They just leave the cameras up because most people don't know
    they're unenforceable and will just pay the fine. So I ignored it and
    it's been two and a half years and nothing has happened, so I guess
    my friend was right.

    Was it something sprcific to the county, or does the judge feel
    automated law enforcement is generally unconstitutional?

    It was a violation of the right to confront your accuser.

    Excellent. I've never understood how there could be any automated law enforcement procedures that don't violate the confrontation clause, but judges don't generally rule that way.

    The county tried to argue that the violations were civil, not criminal, so therefore there was no right being violated. The judge basically told them you call a zebra a pig, but it still has stripes.



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 20:20:46 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 31, 2026 at 10:22:48 AM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 30, 2026 at 11:04:22 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The >>>>>light was obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle >>>>>three times and never got a green arrow, so I just went through when >>>>>it was clear, only to get a dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera >>>>>went off and took my picture.

    A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a >>>>>judge had ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He >>>>>told me to just ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce >>>>>it. They just leave the cameras up because most people don't know >>>>>they're unenforceable and will just pay the fine. So I ignored it and >>>>>it's been two and a half years and nothing has happened, so I guess >>>>>my friend was right.

    Was it something sprcific to the county, or does the judge feel >>>>automated law enforcement is generally unconstitutional?

    It was a violation of the right to confront your accuser.

    Excellent. I've never understood how there could be any automated law >>enforcement procedures that don't violate the confrontation clause, but >>judges don't generally rule that way.

    The county tried to argue that the violations were civil, not criminal, so >therefore there was no right being violated. The judge basically told them you >call a zebra a pig, but it still has stripes.

    Historically, why was the confrontation clause limited to criminal
    matters? In a tort, the plaintiff argues that the defendant caused harm.
    I guess discovery is the civil equivalent, but is this right weaker?

    Decades ago, city of Chicago set up an entire department that hears
    municipal code violations on behalf of other departments, including
    traffic and parking violations. Previously, that all went to the
    municipal department of state court for trial. It was costlier and more inconvenient fr the city, the judges were friendlier to defendants, and
    there was that pesky higher burden of proof.

    For years, I've joked if felonies like murder didn't have to be heard in
    state criminal court by state statute, Mayor Richard M. Daley would have handled the cases with administrativ hearings and fines, 'cuz the city
    truly wanted the revenue from fines and other penalties.

    The difference I see is, in an administrative proccedure, the burden of
    proof shifts to the person who was cited that the citation is
    inapplicable. No, my car wasn't an overweight truck with bad air brakes
    stopped in another state because the license plate was entered
    erroneously. No, I did pay that fine 35 years ago, and the case never
    got closed on the computer system, which didn't exist at the time, and
    too bad for the accused that the paper records simply weren't entered
    into the computer or no longer exist. It's too costly for us to enter
    all historic records but we're falsely claiming unpaid fines because we
    lost track of the payments.

    If I'm cited and have to go to an administrative hearing, I cannot have
    a supeona issued, right? Makes it difficult to defend.

    We discussed a case, not an Institute of Justice case but clearly the
    woman was being advised by attorneys in how to file paperwork, about
    notice and mootness. I forgot the underlying issue but she never got her hearing, just a lien they were trying to enforce on her property. The
    municipal prosecutor was doing cute things with serving notice, using a shipping service rather than US mail. The courrier ALWAYS marked
    "served" even though they did nothing more than drop off the package.
    She lived in an apartment which had letter boxes, too small for a
    packagem, so the courrier left it in the lobby. She wasn't "served" and
    never saw it and was out of town at the time. The courrier wouldn't have
    the key to the letter box anyway.

    The trial court judge was unsympathetic and said she missed her filing
    deadline to respond, reversed on appeal.

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 17:42:34 2026
    On 1/29/2026 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World Order agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year. After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones and I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city" plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    How should (very non-theoretical) congestion be dealt with?



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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 22:59:43 2026
    On Jan 31, 2026 at 2:42:34 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 1/29/2026 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist
    elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World
    Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it
    becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >> where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >> everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >> doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones >> and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and
    Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital >> prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    How should (very non-theoretical) congestion be dealt with?

    First of all, this isn't a congestion relief measure. The stated purpose for all this is yet another sacrificial prayer to the Climate Cult.

    Second, if the only way to deal with congestion is to impose an Orwellian forever-lockdown and surveillance panopticon on the populace, then you just live with congestion because there's no rational argument against it being the lesser of the two evils.



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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 1 12:30:55 2026
    On 1/29/2026 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the Oxford Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New World Order agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined routes you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must have a permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100 permits/year. After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4


    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the zones and I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute city" plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their digital prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    Conspiracy nutter silliness again. As usual, none of the above has
    anything to do with actual reality ...

    The truth behind the 15-minute cities controversy in Oxford, explained

    <https://www.bigissue.com/news/environment/15-minute-cities-sharron-davies-right-said-fred/>


    15 minute cities: How they got caught in conspiracy theories
    <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66990302>




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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Jan 31 21:51:01 2026
    On 2026-01-31 6:30 p.m., Your Name wrote:
    On 1/29/2026 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the
    Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist
    elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New
    World Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it
    becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city',
    where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined
    routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time,
    everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must
    have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100
    permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/
    avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There
    doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the
    zones and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and
    Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute
    city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their
    digital
    prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    Conspiracy nutter silliness again. As usual, none of the above has
    anything to do with actual reality ...

    ÿÿ The truth behind the 15-minute cities controversy in Oxford, explained <https://www.bigissue.com/news/environment/15-minute-cities-sharron- davies-right-said-fred/>

    ÿÿ 15 minute cities: How they got caught in conspiracy theories
    ÿÿ <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66990302>


    You're taking the analysis of the BBC as solid proof that 15 minute
    cities are harmless, when they are one of the most obviously left-biased
    news organizations in the world? Just how gullible are you?

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 1 03:28:48 2026
    On Jan 31, 2026 at 6:51:01 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-31 6:30 p.m., Your Name wrote:
    On 1/29/2026 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    First Spain grants citizenship to a half-million illegals and now the
    Oxford
    Council votes to impose digital walls on all its citizens. The globalist >>> elites are really just taking the masks off and putting their New
    World Order
    agenda on display right out into the open now, aren't they?

    Oxford already started the conversion project several years ago-- as it >>> becomes the first official World Economic Forum-planned "15-minute city', >>> where Oxford is divided up into six zones. You're given predetermined
    routes
    you must drive to get from place to place, your car tracked in real time, >>> everything monitored by a panopticon of cameras and e-gates. You must
    have a
    permit to leave your assigned zone and you're only allowed 100
    permits/year.
    After that, punishing fines start arriving if you leave your
    government-imposed 15 minutes of freedom.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2015917825903263745/vid/
    avc1/1280x704/v0SJi25gYb5punKO.mp4

    So far, it seems like this digital prison only applies to your car. There >>> doesn't seem to be any prohibition on walking or biking between the
    zones and
    I bet someone on a motorcycle could avoid the digital barriers also.

    I told you back in 2017 that this was coming. Every major American and
    Canadian city (and many of the minor ones) all already have "15-minute >>> city"
    plans drawn up. It's only a matter of time before they impose their
    digital
    prison on you, too.

    Yet another "conspiracy theory" confirmed as truth.

    Conspiracy nutter silliness again. As usual, none of the above has
    anything to do with actual reality ...

    ÿÿ The truth behind the 15-minute cities controversy in Oxford, explained >>
    <https://www.bigissue.com/news/environment/15-minute-cities-sharron-davies-right-said-fred/>

    ÿÿ 15 minute cities: How they got caught in conspiracy theories
    ÿÿ <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66990302>

    You're taking the analysis of the BBC as solid proof that 15 minute
    cities are harmless, when they are one of the most obviously left-biased news organizations in the world? Just how gullible are you?

    Besides, it all mostly the same things, they're just giving it a different name.



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