• Matt Walsh Savages STARFLEET ACADEMY

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 21 18:59:45 2026
    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52



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  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 21 16:52:18 2026
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's >just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

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  • From suzeeq@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 21 17:42:45 2026
    On 1/21/2026 1:52 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's >> just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I think it's okay. I'm not as critical as a lot of viewers.

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 21 21:57:26 2026
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's >> just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    Yes, and savagely

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 21 21:57:27 2026
    suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
    On 1/21/2026 1:52 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I think it's okay. I'm not as critical as a lot of viewers.


    How many episodes have you watched? The pilot was mediocre but certainly no worse than Strange New Worlds or STD. The second one was way worse. I?m
    gonna stick around until episode five which has something to do with Deep
    Space 9 but if it wasn?t for that, I would?ve already quit.

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jan 21 21:57:29 2026
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's >> just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I posted a non-inflammatory article about the show that mentioned Larry
    Niven in my Larry Niven group and the defenders came out swinging

    ?Oh god I am so sick of listening to white men whine. Seriously, DVD's of Walker Texas Ranger exist... probably. Go watch all the intellectually
    vapid 'unwoke' crap you want to. Stop telling story tellers how to tell stories. Better yet, make your own SF series and compete with Trek in its
    own milieu. Stop giving advice and actually do something yourselves,
    because I'm one of you and Christ I'm sick of listening to your unmanly mewing.?

    ?I'm old, I'm white, and I'm male. Somehow, miracle of miracles, I can make
    it through an entire day without being offended by new things and new ways
    of thinking. The world (and Trek) is moving forward despite what I think or feel, and I wouldn't have it any other way.?

    ?Seriously, whenever I see some mayo-face neck beard complaining about how something is ?woke? I know that somewhere out there a stupid little
    misogynist fragile man baby racist angel is getting his wings.?

    ?The show was designed for us boomers. And it?s aggressively progressive.
    The chads can just deal with it, or run off and burn off their cortisol on
    the weight bench, dreaming of getting to touch a live girl who is not under sedation.?

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 05:53:12 2026
    Verily, in article <5ji2nk1843003aau34vj1up8fevan883j4@4ax.com>, did nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's >just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    I semi-supported it, on the grounds that my expectations were so low
    that almost anything would have seemed okay. I've heard a few other
    comments along those lines: "It wasn't as terrible as I thought it would
    be."

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 05:35:42 2026
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <5ji2nk1843003aau34vj1up8fevan883j4@4ax.com>, did nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    I semi-supported it, on the grounds that my expectations were so low
    that almost anything would have seemed okay. I've heard a few other
    comments along those lines: "It wasn't as terrible as I thought it would be."


    It gets worse with each episode.

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  • From Alan Smithee@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 10:24:36 2026
    On 2026-01-21 05:52 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's >> just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    Holly Hunter has viciously panned the writers for doing a terrible job.
    You can see her comments at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDCXErZsCE

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 11:39:29 2026
    On 2026-01-22 9:24 a.m., Alan Smithee wrote:
    On 2026-01-21 05:52 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And
    that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    Holly Hunter has viciously panned the writers for doing a terrible job.
    You can see her comments at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDCXErZsCE

    I got a real shock when I looked at the IMDB episode guide for the first season of this show. Despite Matt Walsh's remarks about the show being
    written by white liberal women, there are two or three writers credited
    for each episode and there's always at least one white male among them:
    Gene Roddenberry! Yes, the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself (not his son Eugene who is one of the Executive Producers).

    This has me wondering if they went through his papers and found some
    notes about a possible new Star Trek series - or even just an unfilmed
    script from the original series - and turned it into Starfleet Academy,
    giving them the ability to credit Roddenberry for each and every
    episode. That certainly adds *some* gravitas to the series if
    Roddenberry had some sort of creative contribution to its genesis - or
    at least it *could* for people inclined to think the man is a god of SF writing and can do no wrong.

    Personally, I didn't despise it quite as much as everyone else although
    I'm far from delighted with it. I thought Caleb, the bad-boy/rebel, had
    the potential to be a very strong character as a guy who thinks outside
    the box like Captain Kirk. I don't yet care about any of the rest of the
    cast and actively loathe that completely cringey young hologram woman
    with the hideous hair style.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 12:24:28 2026
    Verily, in article <10ktjs2$33lr8$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    This has me wondering if they went through his papers and found some
    notes about a possible new Star Trek series - or even just an unfilmed script from the original series - and turned it into Starfleet Academy, giving them the ability to credit Roddenberry for each and every
    episode. That certainly adds *some* gravitas to the series if
    Roddenberry had some sort of creative contribution to its genesis - or
    at least it *could* for people inclined to think the man is a god of SF writing and can do no wrong.

    That is intriguing. Of course, they might have ignored his notes (if
    any) and simply stuck his name on for the same reasons they wanted the
    Star Trek name on it.


    Personally, I didn't despise it quite as much as everyone else although
    I'm far from delighted with it. I thought Caleb, the bad-boy/rebel, had
    the potential to be a very strong character as a guy who thinks outside
    the box like Captain Kirk. I don't yet care about any of the rest of the cast and actively loathe that completely cringey young hologram woman
    with the hideous hair style.

    Yeah, Caleb and the captain are the only ones who interest me. Tilly the hologram is so widely loathed that she might be written out after the
    first season, if they have any sense.

    I don't think I'm going to keep watching, since I've found some other
    shows I like better, but I could be persuaded to return if the cast were winnowed down to a reasonable number of decent characters.


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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 12:55:04 2026
    On 2026-01-22 12:24 p.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ktjs2$33lr8$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    This has me wondering if they went through his papers and found some
    notes about a possible new Star Trek series - or even just an unfilmed
    script from the original series - and turned it into Starfleet Academy,
    giving them the ability to credit Roddenberry for each and every
    episode. That certainly adds *some* gravitas to the series if
    Roddenberry had some sort of creative contribution to its genesis - or
    at least it *could* for people inclined to think the man is a god of SF
    writing and can do no wrong.

    That is intriguing. Of course, they might have ignored his notes (if
    any) and simply stuck his name on for the same reasons they wanted the
    Star Trek name on it.

    They always do a "based on Star Trek" credit in these shows but this is
    the first thing in a long while that gave him a writing credit for an episode.... Oh, this is weird! I've just looked up Roddenberry's writing credits on IMDB and it is inconsistent even within IMDB; they only give Roddenberry credit for the first three episodes of Academy even though
    the episode guide gives him credit for all 10. They also give him
    writing credits for all sort of previous Trek series, even things that
    look like porn:

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0734472/

    The large majority of these seem to be "based on Star Trek" type credits though. Damn! I'm completely wrong about my initially assertion: I've
    just misunderstood how IMDB does things. I just started looked at the
    Voyager episode guide and Roddenberry is credited first as a writer for
    each of the episodes I've looked at. Ditto for Strange New Worlds.

    Okay, I get it now: IMDB gives Roddenberry first writer's credit for everything in the franchise, even the stuff that came out decades after
    his death, but it's just an acknowledgement that his ideas created the original Star Trek universe and they're all just building on it. That's
    fair enough of course. My apologies for misunderstanding how IMDB
    handles this situation. It looks like they haven't built this show on
    anything specific from Roddenberry himself, like an unfilmed script.


    Personally, I didn't despise it quite as much as everyone else although
    I'm far from delighted with it. I thought Caleb, the bad-boy/rebel, had
    the potential to be a very strong character as a guy who thinks outside
    the box like Captain Kirk. I don't yet care about any of the rest of the
    cast and actively loathe that completely cringey young hologram woman
    with the hideous hair style.

    Yeah, Caleb and the captain are the only ones who interest me. Tilly the hologram is so widely loathed that she might be written out after the
    first season, if they have any sense.

    She would be removed from the *existing* episodes entirely if I had my
    way. I haven't cringed so hard about a character since Jar Jar Binks.
    I'd write a new character, hire an actor to play him/her, and reshoot
    the scenes with Tilly entirely, then re-release whatever episodes
    contained her if they've ever been aired.

    I don't think I'm going to keep watching, since I've found some other
    shows I like better, but I could be persuaded to return if the cast were winnowed down to a reasonable number of decent characters.


    If I never looked at this show again, I'd probably never think about it
    except for a fleeting reflection that this could have been good if it
    only they hadn't filled it with cliches and cringe.

    --
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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 11:23:13 2026
    Alan Smithee <alms@last.inc> wrote:
    On 2026-01-21 05:52 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    Holly Hunter has viciously panned the writers for doing a terrible job.
    You can see her comments at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDCXErZsCE



    Episode three is just an endless and pointless prank war. Hunter spends the episode curled up and acting drunk and barefoot. I think Picardo has
    already bailed.

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 11:23:14 2026
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ktjs2$33lr8$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    This has me wondering if they went through his papers and found some
    notes about a possible new Star Trek series - or even just an unfilmed
    script from the original series - and turned it into Starfleet Academy,
    giving them the ability to credit Roddenberry for each and every
    episode. That certainly adds *some* gravitas to the series if
    Roddenberry had some sort of creative contribution to its genesis - or
    at least it *could* for people inclined to think the man is a god of SF
    writing and can do no wrong.

    That is intriguing. Of course, they might have ignored his notes (if
    any) and simply stuck his name on for the same reasons they wanted the
    Star Trek name on it.

    Roddenberry is just listed by IMDb as creator. That?s standard IMDb policy.



    Personally, I didn't despise it quite as much as everyone else although
    I'm far from delighted with it. I thought Caleb, the bad-boy/rebel, had
    the potential to be a very strong character as a guy who thinks outside
    the box like Captain Kirk. I don't yet care about any of the rest of the
    cast and actively loathe that completely cringey young hologram woman
    with the hideous hair style.

    Yeah, Caleb and the captain are the only ones who interest me. Tilly the hologram is so widely loathed that she might be written out after the
    first season, if they have any sense.

    I don't think I'm going to keep watching, since I've found some other
    shows I like better, but I could be persuaded to return if the cast were winnowed down to a reasonable number of decent characters.





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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 19:40:16 2026
    On Jan 21, 2026 at 8:57:29 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I posted a non-inflammatory article about the show that mentioned Larry
    Niven in my Larry Niven group and the defenders came out swinging

    ?Oh god I am so sick of listening to white men whine. Seriously, DVD's of Walker Texas Ranger exist... probably. Go watch all the intellectually
    vapid 'unwoke' crap you want to. Stop telling story tellers how to tell stories.

    More like, "Stop telling middle-aged woke white women how to tell stories!"

    Here's an actual quote from the showrunner and executive producer Alex
    Kurtzman about what they see as 'proper' Trek these days:

    "We write with Black Lives Matter, the NAACP, etc., in mind. The goal is not really to promote STAR TREK, but to promote these organizations and to use our platform to bring greater awareness to these very, very important messages, people and places."

    So STAR TREK is just the macguffin they use to preach social justice. It's the social justice that matters and all of you assholes who complain about things like continuity and plot and believability should just shut the fuck up and bask in the 'progressive' messaging with the rest of us.

    Better yet, make your own SF series and compete with Trek in its
    own milieu. Stop giving advice and actually do something yourselves,
    because I'm one of you and Christ I'm sick of listening to your unmanly mewing."

    How is it 'unmanly' to notice how they get everything about Trek wrong? Female Jem'Hadars? Or for that matter, Jem'Hadars that are genetically engineered to be soldiers and killers, yet somehow have decided to lead a life of
    bureaucracy and paperwork instead? Betazoids whose abilities directly contradict everything we've known about them up to this point? A hologram student whose entire character is one big logical contradiction but we're supposed to just go with it because think of all the social justice stories it will lead to?

    Noticing all that stuff makes you 'unmanly' somehow?

    "I'm old, I'm white, and I'm male. Somehow, miracle of miracles, I can make it through an entire day without being offended by new things and new ways
    of thinking.

    All evidence to the contrary. You seem big mad about anyone who criticizes
    Left Trek or has a different political viewpoint than yourself.

    "Seriously, whenever I see some mayo-face neck beard complaining

    Ah, so apparently bigoted racial slurs aren't part of your 'progressive' ideology. Or is it only okay when they're directed toward white people?

    about how something is "woke" I know that somewhere out there a stupid little misogynist fragile man baby racist angel is getting his wings."

    "The show was designed for us boomers. And it's aggressively progressive. The chads can just deal with it, or run off and burn off their cortisol on the weight bench, dreaming of getting to touch a live girl who is not under sedation."

    Or they can continue to point out the drek that is currently masquerading as STAR TREK and watch the ratings crater as no one who isn't a college professor with a hammer-and-sickle flag on his wall will bother to sit through it, and you can continue to whine about them on Facebook. Disney (finally) learned
    this lesson with STAR WARS and Paramount will learn it with STAR TREK and eventually stop catering to proto-communists like you and get back to what
    made it a 50-year fan favorite franchise.

    And yes, anim, you have my permission to copy this response to the asshole on Facebook. I'm sure it will get you banned, though, because heaven forfend
    grown adults should be allowed to speak their minds.



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 21:11:41 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jan 21, 2026 at 8:57:29 PM PST, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either.
    And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I posted a non-inflammatory article about the show that mentioned Larry
    Niven in my Larry Niven group and the defenders came out swinging

    ?Oh god I am so sick of listening to white men whine. Seriously, DVD's of
    Walker Texas Ranger exist... probably. Go watch all the intellectually
    vapid 'unwoke' crap you want to. Stop telling story tellers how to tell
    stories.

    More like, "Stop telling middle-aged woke white women how to tell stories!"

    Here's an actual quote from the showrunner and executive producer Alex >Kurtzman about what they see as 'proper' Trek these days:

    "We write with Black Lives Matter, the NAACP, etc., in mind. The goal is not >really to promote STAR TREK, but to promote these organizations and to use our >platform to bring greater awareness to these very, very important messages, >people and places."

    They were doing P.C. of its era. Of course they were thinking about a cosmopolitan society and the NAACP, but Nichelle Nichols was a shapely,
    sexy, full figured woman in a tight uniform and showed a lot of leg. Why
    not do both?

    So STAR TREK is just the macguffin they use to preach social justice. It's the >social justice that matters and all of you assholes who complain about things >like continuity and plot and believability should just shut the fuck up and >bask in the 'progressive' messaging with the rest of us.

    Better yet, make your own SF series and compete with Trek in its
    own milieu. Stop giving advice and actually do something yourselves,
    because I'm one of you and Christ I'm sick of listening to your unmanly
    mewing."

    How is it 'unmanly' to notice how they get everything about Trek wrong? Female >Jem'Hadars? Or for that matter, Jem'Hadars that are genetically engineered to >be soldiers and killers, yet somehow have decided to lead a life of >bureaucracy and paperwork instead? Betazoids whose abilities directly >contradict everything we've known about them up to this point? A hologram >student whose entire character is one big logical contradiction but we're >supposed to just go with it because think of all the social justice stories it >will lead to?

    Noticing all that stuff makes you 'unmanly' somehow?

    "I'm old, I'm white, and I'm male. Somehow, miracle of miracles, I can make >> it through an entire day without being offended by new things and new ways >> of thinking.

    All evidence to the contrary. You seem big mad about anyone who criticizes >Left Trek or has a different political viewpoint than yourself.

    "Seriously, whenever I see some mayo-face neck beard complaining

    Ah, so apparently bigoted racial slurs aren't part of your 'progressive' >ideology. Or is it only okay when they're directed toward white people?

    about how something is "woke" I know that somewhere out there a stupid little
    misogynist fragile man baby racist angel is getting his wings."

    "The show was designed for us boomers. And it's aggressively progressive. >> The chads can just deal with it, or run off and burn off their cortisol on >> the weight bench, dreaming of getting to touch a live girl who is not under >> sedation."

    Or they can continue to point out the drek that is currently masquerading as >STAR TREK and watch the ratings crater as no one who isn't a college professor >with a hammer-and-sickle flag on his wall will bother to sit through it, and >you can continue to whine about them on Facebook. Disney (finally) learned >this lesson with STAR WARS and Paramount will learn it with STAR TREK and >eventually stop catering to proto-communists like you and get back to what >made it a 50-year fan favorite franchise.

    And yes, anim, you have my permission to copy this response to the asshole on >Facebook. I'm sure it will get you banned, though, because heaven forfend >grown adults should be allowed to speak their minds.





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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jan 22 18:01:01 2026
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And >>that's just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52

    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    I am not aware of any positive reviews, save for shills.
    I did notice that the hollywood shills are making excuses now.

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.


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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 23 00:01:38 2026
    On 2026-01-22 1:23 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ktjs2$33lr8$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    This has me wondering if they went through his papers and found some
    notes about a possible new Star Trek series - or even just an unfilmed
    script from the original series - and turned it into Starfleet Academy,
    giving them the ability to credit Roddenberry for each and every
    episode. That certainly adds *some* gravitas to the series if
    Roddenberry had some sort of creative contribution to its genesis - or
    at least it *could* for people inclined to think the man is a god of SF
    writing and can do no wrong.

    That is intriguing. Of course, they might have ignored his notes (if
    any) and simply stuck his name on for the same reasons they wanted the
    Star Trek name on it.

    Roddenberry is just listed by IMDb as creator. That?s standard IMDb policy.

    Look at the episode guide for Starfleet Academy. Here's the pilot:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27385510/

    See? Roddenberry is listed as a *writer* on every episode. I looked at
    the first few episodes of Strange New Worlds and Voyager and it was the
    same there: Roddenberry was listed as a writer.

    I freely acknowledge that he wrote the first draft of this universe and
    have no problem with him being acknowledged; I just don't think of him
    as having been a writer on the later shows so that's why I mistakenly
    thought they'd built Starfleet Academy on the basis of something
    specific he'd written like an unproduced script. I just find it odd that
    IMDB would present him as a writer of the episodes. But maybe that's
    just me.




    Personally, I didn't despise it quite as much as everyone else although
    I'm far from delighted with it. I thought Caleb, the bad-boy/rebel, had
    the potential to be a very strong character as a guy who thinks outside
    the box like Captain Kirk. I don't yet care about any of the rest of the >>> cast and actively loathe that completely cringey young hologram woman
    with the hideous hair style.

    Yeah, Caleb and the captain are the only ones who interest me. Tilly the
    hologram is so widely loathed that she might be written out after the
    first season, if they have any sense.

    I don't think I'm going to keep watching, since I've found some other
    shows I like better, but I could be persuaded to return if the cast were
    winnowed down to a reasonable number of decent characters.







    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 23 00:05:42 2026
    On 2026-01-22 6:01 p.m., Ubiquitous wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And
    that's just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52

    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    I am not aware of any positive reviews, save for shills.
    I did notice that the hollywood shills are making excuses now.

    Dreamloop Cinema has an interesting take on Starfleet Academy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ0wnxaEKug [15 minutes]

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 23 02:17:45 2026
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    Episode three is just an endless and pointless prank war. Hunter spends
    the episode curled up and acting drunk and barefoot. I think Picardo has already bailed.

    I see reviews from the usual suspects are showing up on YouTube.
    I'll be watching them during my road trip.

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.


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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 23 12:40:05 2026
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-01-22 1:23 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ktjs2$33lr8$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    This has me wondering if they went through his papers and found some
    notes about a possible new Star Trek series - or even just an unfilmed >>>> script from the original series - and turned it into Starfleet Academy, >>>> giving them the ability to credit Roddenberry for each and every
    episode. That certainly adds *some* gravitas to the series if
    Roddenberry had some sort of creative contribution to its genesis - or >>>> at least it *could* for people inclined to think the man is a god of SF >>>> writing and can do no wrong.

    That is intriguing. Of course, they might have ignored his notes (if
    any) and simply stuck his name on for the same reasons they wanted the
    Star Trek name on it.

    Roddenberry is just listed by IMDb as creator. That?s standard IMDb policy. >>
    Look at the episode guide for Starfleet Academy. Here's the pilot:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27385510/

    See? Roddenberry is listed as a *writer* on every episode.

    No, he?s not. He?s under the broad category of ?writer? but if you click
    the category title ?writer? it opens up and lists him as ?created by?

    I looked at
    the first few episodes of Strange New Worlds and Voyager and it was the
    same there: Roddenberry was listed as a writer.

    I freely acknowledge that he wrote the first draft of this universe and
    have no problem with him being acknowledged; I just don't think of him
    as having been a writer on the later shows so that's why I mistakenly thought they'd built Starfleet Academy on the basis of something
    specific he'd written like an unproduced script. I just find it odd that IMDB would present him as a writer of the episodes. But maybe that's
    just me.




    Personally, I didn't despise it quite as much as everyone else although >>>> I'm far from delighted with it. I thought Caleb, the bad-boy/rebel, had >>>> the potential to be a very strong character as a guy who thinks outside >>>> the box like Captain Kirk. I don't yet care about any of the rest of the >>>> cast and actively loathe that completely cringey young hologram woman
    with the hideous hair style.

    Yeah, Caleb and the captain are the only ones who interest me. Tilly the >>> hologram is so widely loathed that she might be written out after the
    first season, if they have any sense.

    I don't think I'm going to keep watching, since I've found some other
    shows I like better, but I could be persuaded to return if the cast were >>> winnowed down to a reasonable number of decent characters.










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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 23 12:40:06 2026
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    Episode three is just an endless and pointless prank war. Hunter spends
    the episode curled up and acting drunk and barefoot. I think Picardo has
    already bailed.

    I see reviews from the usual suspects are showing up on YouTube.
    I'll be watching them during my road trip.


    Where are you tripping and please don?t watch TV while driving.

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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  • From Gremlin@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 25 00:49:55 2026
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> news:5ji2nk1843003aau34vj1up8fevan883j4@4ax.com Wed, 21 Jan 2026 21:52:18
    GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And >>that's just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.

    I've only seen the pilot episode...It was different.


    --
    Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
    Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
    Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
    Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government


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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 25 22:19:14 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jan 21, 2026 at 8:57:29 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I posted a non-inflammatory article about the show that mentioned Larry
    Niven in my Larry Niven group and the defenders came out swinging

    ?Oh god I am so sick of listening to white men whine. Seriously, DVD's of
    Walker Texas Ranger exist... probably. Go watch all the intellectually
    vapid 'unwoke' crap you want to. Stop telling story tellers how to tell
    stories.

    More like, "Stop telling middle-aged woke white women how to tell stories!"

    Here's an actual quote from the showrunner and executive producer Alex Kurtzman about what they see as 'proper' Trek these days:

    "We write with Black Lives Matter, the NAACP, etc., in mind. The goal is not really to promote STAR TREK, but to promote these organizations and to use our
    platform to bring greater awareness to these very, very important messages, people and places."

    This sounds a lot like when one of the writers for the CW SUPERGIRL said in
    an interview that it?s not important they write good scripts. It?s
    important they put in woke messages.



    So STAR TREK is just the macguffin they use to preach social justice. It's the
    social justice that matters and all of you assholes who complain about things like continuity and plot and believability should just shut the fuck up and bask in the 'progressive' messaging with the rest of us.

    Better yet, make your own SF series and compete with Trek in its
    own milieu. Stop giving advice and actually do something yourselves,
    because I'm one of you and Christ I'm sick of listening to your unmanly
    mewing."

    How is it 'unmanly' to notice how they get everything about Trek wrong? Female
    Jem'Hadars? Or for that matter, Jem'Hadars that are genetically engineered to be soldiers and killers, yet somehow have decided to lead a life of bureaucracy and paperwork instead? Betazoids whose abilities directly contradict everything we've known about them up to this point? A hologram student whose entire character is one big logical contradiction but we're supposed to just go with it because think of all the social justice stories it
    will lead to?

    Noticing all that stuff makes you 'unmanly' somehow?

    "I'm old, I'm white, and I'm male. Somehow, miracle of miracles, I can make >> it through an entire day without being offended by new things and new ways >> of thinking.

    All evidence to the contrary. You seem big mad about anyone who criticizes Left Trek or has a different political viewpoint than yourself.

    "Seriously, whenever I see some mayo-face neck beard complaining

    Ah, so apparently bigoted racial slurs aren't part of your 'progressive' ideology. Or is it only okay when they're directed toward white people?

    about how something is "woke" I know that somewhere out there a stupid little
    misogynist fragile man baby racist angel is getting his wings."

    "The show was designed for us boomers. And it's aggressively progressive. >> The chads can just deal with it, or run off and burn off their cortisol on >> the weight bench, dreaming of getting to touch a live girl who is not under >> sedation."

    Or they can continue to point out the drek that is currently masquerading as STAR TREK and watch the ratings crater as no one who isn't a college professor
    with a hammer-and-sickle flag on his wall will bother to sit through it, and you can continue to whine about them on Facebook. Disney (finally) learned this lesson with STAR WARS and Paramount will learn it with STAR TREK and eventually stop catering to proto-communists like you and get back to what made it a 50-year fan favorite franchise.

    And yes, anim, you have my permission to copy this response to the asshole on Facebook. I'm sure it will get you banned, though, because heaven forfend grown adults should be allowed to speak their minds.






    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.6
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jan 26 02:04:47 2026
    On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 22:19:14 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jan 21, 2026 at 8:57:29 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the
    show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I posted a non-inflammatory article about the show that mentioned Larry
    Niven in my Larry Niven group and the defenders came out swinging

    ?Oh god I am so sick of listening to white men whine. Seriously, DVD's of >>> Walker Texas Ranger exist... probably. Go watch all the intellectually
    vapid 'unwoke' crap you want to. Stop telling story tellers how to tell
    stories.

    More like, "Stop telling middle-aged woke white women how to tell stories!" >>
    Here's an actual quote from the showrunner and executive producer Alex
    Kurtzman about what they see as 'proper' Trek these days:

    "We write with Black Lives Matter, the NAACP, etc., in mind. The goal is not >> really to promote STAR TREK, but to promote these organizations and to use our
    platform to bring greater awareness to these very, very important messages, >> people and places."

    This sounds a lot like when one of the writers for the CW SUPERGIRL said in >an interview that it?s not important they write good scripts. It?s
    important they put in woke messages.


    I get how a writer can start to think like that. It's like the writers
    behind MS MARVEL focused on getting their message out. What I don't
    get is how the people running the studios don't see how not focusing
    on the writing is going to hurt the audience retention.

    In a small indie project you can do what ever you want and spend all
    your efforts on some message, but in any sort of mass media project
    that is clearly the wrong approach to keep a large segment of the
    potential viewers watching. Yet there seem to be a significant number
    of the money people at the studios who seem to ignore the way focusing
    on a message turns off viewers.


    So STAR TREK is just the macguffin they use to preach social justice. It's the
    social justice that matters and all of you assholes who complain about things
    like continuity and plot and believability should just shut the fuck up and >> bask in the 'progressive' messaging with the rest of us.

    Better yet, make your own SF series and compete with Trek in its
    own milieu. Stop giving advice and actually do something yourselves,
    because I'm one of you and Christ I'm sick of listening to your unmanly
    mewing."

    How is it 'unmanly' to notice how they get everything about Trek wrong? Female
    Jem'Hadars? Or for that matter, Jem'Hadars that are genetically engineered to
    be soldiers and killers, yet somehow have decided to lead a life of
    bureaucracy and paperwork instead? Betazoids whose abilities directly
    contradict everything we've known about them up to this point? A hologram
    student whose entire character is one big logical contradiction but we're
    supposed to just go with it because think of all the social justice stories it
    will lead to?

    Noticing all that stuff makes you 'unmanly' somehow?

    "I'm old, I'm white, and I'm male. Somehow, miracle of miracles, I can make >>> it through an entire day without being offended by new things and new ways >>> of thinking.

    All evidence to the contrary. You seem big mad about anyone who criticizes >> Left Trek or has a different political viewpoint than yourself.

    "Seriously, whenever I see some mayo-face neck beard complaining

    Ah, so apparently bigoted racial slurs aren't part of your 'progressive'
    ideology. Or is it only okay when they're directed toward white people?

    about how something is "woke" I know that somewhere out there a stupid little
    misogynist fragile man baby racist angel is getting his wings."

    "The show was designed for us boomers. And it's aggressively progressive. >>> The chads can just deal with it, or run off and burn off their cortisol on >>> the weight bench, dreaming of getting to touch a live girl who is not under >>> sedation."

    Or they can continue to point out the drek that is currently masquerading as >> STAR TREK and watch the ratings crater as no one who isn't a college professor
    with a hammer-and-sickle flag on his wall will bother to sit through it, and >> you can continue to whine about them on Facebook. Disney (finally) learned >> this lesson with STAR WARS and Paramount will learn it with STAR TREK and
    eventually stop catering to proto-communists like you and get back to what >> made it a 50-year fan favorite franchise.

    And yes, anim, you have my permission to copy this response to the asshole on
    Facebook. I'm sure it will get you banned, though, because heaven forfend
    grown adults should be allowed to speak their minds.




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.6
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jan 26 08:56:44 2026
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 22:19:14 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jan 21, 2026 at 8:57:29 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote: >>>
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:59:45 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    He doesn't like Holly Hunter's slouching bridge behavior, either. And that's
    just for starters.

    https://youtu.be/kormqz5NJQ4?t=52


    Is anyone supporting the show? I've seen multiple commentaries on the >>>>> show with no one coming out in favor of what they've seen.


    I posted a non-inflammatory article about the show that mentioned Larry >>>> Niven in my Larry Niven group and the defenders came out swinging

    ?Oh god I am so sick of listening to white men whine. Seriously, DVD's of >>>> Walker Texas Ranger exist... probably. Go watch all the intellectually >>>> vapid 'unwoke' crap you want to. Stop telling story tellers how to tell >>>> stories.

    More like, "Stop telling middle-aged woke white women how to tell stories!" >>>
    Here's an actual quote from the showrunner and executive producer Alex
    Kurtzman about what they see as 'proper' Trek these days:

    "We write with Black Lives Matter, the NAACP, etc., in mind. The goal is not
    really to promote STAR TREK, but to promote these organizations and to use our
    platform to bring greater awareness to these very, very important messages, >>> people and places."

    This sounds a lot like when one of the writers for the CW SUPERGIRL said in >> an interview that it?s not important they write good scripts. It?s
    important they put in woke messages.


    I get how a writer can start to think like that. It's like the writers
    behind MS MARVEL focused on getting their message out. What I don't
    get is how the people running the studios don't see how not focusing
    on the writing is going to hurt the audience retention.

    In a small indie project you can do what ever you want and spend all
    your efforts on some message, but in any sort of mass media project
    that is clearly the wrong approach to keep a large segment of the
    potential viewers watching. Yet there seem to be a significant number
    of the money people at the studios who seem to ignore the way focusing
    on a message turns off viewers.

    I see how the powers that be might not notice the writers of Supergirl
    don?t care about turning out a good script, but when they give interviews bragging about it, somebody really needs to be fired.




    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jan 27 01:44:02 2026
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    Episode three is just an endless and pointless prank war. Hunter spends >>> the episode curled up and acting drunk and barefoot. I think Picardo
    has already bailed.

    I see reviews from the usual suspects are showing up on YouTube.
    I'll be watching them during my road trip.

    Where are you tripping and please don't watch TV while driving.

    I was checking up on Dad. He's doing well but needs a reason to
    get out of bed.

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.


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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 30 06:44:58 2026
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    Episode three is just an endless and pointless prank war. Hunter spends >>>> the episode curled up and acting drunk and barefoot. I think Picardo
    has already bailed.

    I see reviews from the usual suspects are showing up on YouTube.
    I'll be watching them during my road trip.

    Where are you tripping and please don't watch TV while driving.

    I was checking up on Dad. He's doing well but needs a reason to
    get out of bed.


    :(

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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