White people ?can?t originally invent anything more than they were able to invent good music,? Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid?s sentiments.
White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were able to
invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s sentiments.
The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode of Ali’s Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are Destroying America.”
“We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock and roll.
They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
Reid notably did not attribute all music genres to black people. She also did not touch on inventions beyond the realm of music, besides vaguely mentioning “food” and “the economy.”
“We make the food better. We make the economy better. We make the music better,” Ali added.
“Even Elon Musk didn’t invent them damn Teslas. Two other men invented it. He
just bought it,” Reid continued.
Tesla’s two co-founders, Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, are both white.
Reid’s comments come as President Donald Trump, now the board chair of The Kennedy Center, recently announced that he would be hosting the 2025 Kennedy Center Honors.
Trump helped pick this year’s honorees, including George Strait, Michael Crawford, Gloria Gaynor, KISS, and Sylvester Stallone. He says he rejected a lot of artists because “They were too woke. I had a couple of wokesters.”
Liberals — Reid included — are upset that Trump is “taking over” The Kennedy
Center and the awards ceremony.
“These people cannot create culture on their own. So they need to take over,
dominate, appropriate, and control. Without black people, brown people, the DEIs, there’s no culture in America,” Ali insisted to Reid.
According to Ali, Sylvester Stallone receiving a Kennedy Center honor is emblematic of white male fragility.
“Sylvester Stallone became famous because Rocky is all about a white man, a mediocre white man who has no chance in hell of ever ever ever ever ever beating Apollo Creed,” Ali concluded.
Rocky Balboa beats Apollo Creed at the end of “Rocky II.”
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were able to
invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with
New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s
sentiments.
The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode of Ali’s
Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are >> Destroying America.”
“We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock and roll.
They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought
from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no
form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for
being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest
forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the
most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the
early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black
rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should
brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked
if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday
of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
Reid notably did not attribute all music genres to black people. She also >> did
not touch on inventions beyond the realm of music, besides vaguely
mentioning
“food” and “the economy.”
She's obviously "forgetting" a huge number of inventions, particularly
of technology, that were indisputably devised by whites, like the Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla, James Watt, the guys who invented
the transistor and literally thousands of others. >
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were actually black.
White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were able to
invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with
New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s
sentiments.
The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode of Ali’s
Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are
Destroying America.”
“We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock and roll.
They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought
from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no
form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've
never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for
being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest
forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the
most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the
early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black
rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely
important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should
brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of
white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked
if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday
of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
Seriously.
Reid notably did not attribute all music genres to black people. She also >>> did
not touch on inventions beyond the realm of music, besides vaguely
mentioning
“food” and “the economy.”
She's obviously "forgetting" a huge number of inventions, particularly
of technology, that were indisputably devised by whites, like the Wright
Brothers, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla, James Watt, the guys who invented
the transistor and literally thousands of others. >
On 2025-08-20 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:I'd bet more straights claim Shakespeare was gay ...though pejoratively.
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were
 White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were >>>> able to
 invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast
interview with
 New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s >>>> sentiments.
˙ The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode
of Ali’s
 Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their
Fragility are
 Destroying America.”
 “We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock >>>> and roll.
 They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought
from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no
form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've
never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for
being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest
forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the
most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the
early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black
rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely
important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should
brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of
white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked
if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday
of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
actually
black.
Seriously.
I saw a lock of Mozart's hair when I visited his birthplace in Salzburg, Austria. It didn't look like a black man's hair to me. Either did any portrait I've ever seen. I have to assume a number of those were drawn
while he was still alive.
These ludicrous claims remind me of gays claiming that Beethoven was gay because he had written letters to someone he called "Immortal Beloved"
but the person's name was never stated explicitly. The gay "scholars" decided that he omitted the name because this person was a man and that
it simply wouldn't do in those days for a man to be known to be into
men. They didn't even conceive of the possibility that the target of his letters was a woman, very possibly a married woman, whose reputation
would be destroyed if it was known that she was involved with someone outside her marriage.
The gays also tried to claim that Shakespeare was gay, although they got some pushback from people who said Shakespeare's profound insights into women showed that he *must* be straight.
...
Ubiquitous wrote:
White people ?can?t originally invent anything more than they were able to >> invent good music,? Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with >> New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid?s
sentiments.
Where is this commentary from?
On 8/20/2025 12:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-20 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:I'd bet more straights claim Shakespeare was gay ...though pejoratively.
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were
 White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they >>>>> were able to
 invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast
interview with
 New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s >>>>> sentiments.
˙ The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode >>>>> of Ali’s
 Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their
Fragility are
 Destroying America.”
 “We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock >>>>> and roll.
 They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought
from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no
form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've >>>> never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for
being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest
forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the >>>> most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the
early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black >>>> rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely
important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should >>>> brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of >>>> white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked >>>> if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday >>>> of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
actually
black.
Seriously.
I saw a lock of Mozart's hair when I visited his birthplace in
Salzburg, Austria. It didn't look like a black man's hair to me.
Either did any portrait I've ever seen. I have to assume a number of
those were drawn while he was still alive.
These ludicrous claims remind me of gays claiming that Beethoven was
gay because he had written letters to someone he called "Immortal
Beloved" but the person's name was never stated explicitly. The gay
"scholars" decided that he omitted the name because this person was a
man and that it simply wouldn't do in those days for a man to be known
to be into men. They didn't even conceive of the possibility that the
target of his letters was a woman, very possibly a married woman,
whose reputation would be destroyed if it was known that she was
involved with someone outside her marriage.
The gays also tried to claim that Shakespeare was gay, although they
got some pushback from people who said Shakespeare's profound insights
into women showed that he *must* be straight.
...
On 2025-08-20 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were actually >> black.
White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were able to
invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with
New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s >>>> sentiments.
The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode of Ali’s
Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are
Destroying America.”
“We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock and
roll.
They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought
from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no
form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've >>> never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for
being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest
forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the >>> most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the
early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black >>> rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely
important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should >>> brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of >>> white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked
if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday >>> of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
Seriously.
I saw a lock of Mozart's hair when I visited his birthplace in Salzburg, Austria. It didn't look like a black man's hair to me. Either did any portrait I've ever seen. I have to assume a number of those were drawn
while he was still alive.
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and
I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and
I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
On 2025-08-20 12:43 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/20/2025 12:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-20 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:I'd bet more straights claim Shakespeare was gay ...though pejoratively.
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were
 White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they >>>>>> were able to
 invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast
interview with
 New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s >>>>>> sentiments.
˙ The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an
episode of Ali’s
 Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their
Fragility are
 Destroying America.”
 “We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, >>>>>> rock and roll.
 They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought >>>>> from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no >>>>> form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that!
I've
never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for >>>>> being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest >>>>> forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among >>>>> the
most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the >>>>> early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by
black
rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely >>>>> important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like >>>>> Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone
should
brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the
creation of
white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked >>>>> if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the
heyday
of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
actually
black.
Seriously.
I saw a lock of Mozart's hair when I visited his birthplace in
Salzburg, Austria. It didn't look like a black man's hair to me.
Either did any portrait I've ever seen. I have to assume a number of
those were drawn while he was still alive.
These ludicrous claims remind me of gays claiming that Beethoven was
gay because he had written letters to someone he called "Immortal
Beloved" but the person's name was never stated explicitly. The gay
"scholars" decided that he omitted the name because this person was a
man and that it simply wouldn't do in those days for a man to be
known to be into men. They didn't even conceive of the possibility
that the target of his letters was a woman, very possibly a married
woman, whose reputation would be destroyed if it was known that she
was involved with someone outside her marriage.
The gays also tried to claim that Shakespeare was gay, although they
got some pushback from people who said Shakespeare's profound
insights into women showed that he *must* be straight.
...
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and
I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were able to  invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who
echoed Reid’s sentiments. The host of The Joy Reid Show made the
comments during an episode of Ali’s Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are Destroying America.”
˙
“We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock and roll. They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
On 8/20/2025 4:11 PM, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and >> I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
It's not hard to "modernize" Shakespeare's vocabulary without harming
his elegance. But I don't think I've met (nor was, certainly) a high-schooler able to appreciate that elegance. 20 years later, maybe.
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and
I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
On 2025-08-20 20:11:33 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did
no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and >>> I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the
Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
There's a book I have that's been around for a long time called "Tales
From Shakespeare," sort of what the Living Bible is to the Bible. I
guess it doesn't make you feel as guilty as using Cliff's Notes, lol.
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean
"gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and
I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
On 8/20/2025 7:27 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2025-08-20 20:11:33 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did
no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean >>>> "gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and >>>> I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the >>> Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
There's a book I have that's been around for a long time called "Tales
From Shakespeare," sort of what the Living Bible is to the Bible. I
guess it doesn't make you feel as guilty as using Cliff's Notes, lol.
Shakespeare via Cliff Notes is like Beethoven on a kazoo.
On Aug 20, 2025 at 9:31:49 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-08-20 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were actually
White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they were able to
invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a podcast interview with
New York Times contributing writer Wajahat Ali, who echoed Reid’s >>>>> sentiments.
The host of The Joy Reid Show made the comments during an episode of Ali’s
Left Hook podcast titled “How Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are
Destroying America.”
“We black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock and
roll.
They couldn’t even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought >>>> from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no >>>> form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've >>>> never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for >>>> being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest >>>> forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the >>>> most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the >>>> early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black >>>> rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely >>>> important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like >>>> Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should >>>> brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of >>>> white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked >>>> if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday >>>> of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
black.
Seriously.
I saw a lock of Mozart's hair when I visited his birthplace in Salzburg,
Austria. It didn't look like a black man's hair to me. Either did any
portrait I've ever seen. I have to assume a number of those were drawn
while he was still alive.
There's a whole movement to pretend that everything in the world was created by blacks. There's a book in Britain that's being used in British schools that
claims Stonehenge was built by blacks.
On 8/20/2025 7:27 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2025-08-20 20:11:33 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did
no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean >>> "gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and >>> I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the >> Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never
got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
There's a book I have that's been around for a long time called "Tales
From Shakespeare," sort of what the Living Bible is to the Bible. I
guess it doesn't make you feel as guilty as using Cliff's Notes, lol.
Shakespeare via Cliff Notes is like Beethoven on a kazoo.
I'd never come across that phrase before.
That particular book had been written in the 1920s, not the 1600s, but
that phrase was as opaque to me as Shakespeare.
Verily, in article <1085vv1$mb0j$1@dont-email.me>, did
nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
On 8/20/2025 7:27 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2025-08-20 20:11:33 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <108599e$g6au$1@dont-email.me>, did
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Change "straights" to "students" and I'd agree with you - but I'd mean >>>>> "gay" not in the sense of homosexual but in the sense of something
tedious they make you do in school. I can't remember ANYONE in high
school who actually *liked* Shakespeare (or at least admitted to it) and >>>>> I was in the same class as the highest-achieving students.
I did. There were more recent writers I enjoyed more, but I did like the >>>> Shakespeare we read.
There's a definite language barrier. Somebody once said that he felt
sorry for native anglophones because we were the only people who never >>>> got to read Shakespeare in our native language.
There's a book I have that's been around for a long time called "Tales
From Shakespeare," sort of what the Living Bible is to the Bible. I
guess it doesn't make you feel as guilty as using Cliff's Notes, lol.
Shakespeare via Cliff Notes is like Beethoven on a kazoo.
Shakespeare summaries aren't always without entertainment.
"Our Hamlet"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LrxeFWdWMg
If you thought that was boring
You should read the bloody play.
On 8/20/2025 12:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-20 12:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 20, 2025 at 8:22:12 AM PDT, "Rhino" wrote:
On 2025-08-20 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
The "we wuz kangs and qweens" crowd claims that Mozart et al were White people “can’t originally invent anything more than they >>>>> were able to invent good music,” Joy Reid claimed last week in a
podcast interview with  New York Times contributing writer Wajahat >>>>> Ali, who echoed Reid's sentiments. The host of The Joy Reid Show made >>>>> the comments during an episode of Ali's Left Hook podcast titled “How >>>>> Mediocre White Men and their Fragility are  Destroying America.
śWe black folk gave y’all country music, hip hop, R&B, jazz, rock >>>>> and roll.  They couldn't even invent that,” Reid said.
I'm pretty sure country music was an evolution of folk music brought
from the British Isles, not slaves. As for hip hop, I can think of no
form of music I despise more so don't look for my thanks for that! I've >>>> never cared much for R&B but will concede that blacks were probably
pretty foundational in developing that. I give blacks full credit for
being instrumental in developing jazz. I don't care for the earliest
forms of jazz, like Dixieland, but later forms like bebop are among the >>>> most sublime forms of music conceived. The experts have said that the
early white rockers, like Elvis Presley, were heavily inspired by black >>>> rock and roll. I'm assuming that's correct too.
Blacks also deserve major credit for blues. Blues was clearly a
progenitor of rock and roll as well as rock. It was also an extremely
important influence on all the legends from the British invasion like
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. I think blacks also deserve
recognition for disco, although it's really not something anyone should >>>> brag about....
As for classical music, that is pretty much exclusively the creation of >>>> white people, whether she likes it or not, although I won't be shocked >>>> if there are a few black composers working today, LONG after the heyday >>>> of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and the rest.
actually
black.
Seriously.
I saw a lock of Mozart's hair when I visited his birthplace in Salzburg,
Austria. It didn't look like a black man's hair to me. Either did any
portrait I've ever seen. I have to assume a number of those were drawn
while he was still alive.
These ludicrous claims remind me of gays claiming that Beethoven was gay
because he had written letters to someone he called "Immortal Beloved"
but the person's name was never stated explicitly. The gay "scholars"
decided that he omitted the name because this person was a man and that
it simply wouldn't do in those days for a man to be known to be into
men. They didn't even conceive of the possibility that the target of his
letters was a woman, very possibly a married woman, whose reputation
would be destroyed if it was known that she was involved with someone
outside her marriage.
The gays also tried to claim that Shakespeare was gay, although they got
some pushback from people who said Shakespeare's profound insights into
women showed that he *must* be straight.
I'd bet more straights claim Shakespeare was gay ...though pejoratively.
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