On 2025-08-09 15:20:16 +0000, Paul S Person said:the=20
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 16:28:23 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-09 01:59:48 +0000, I=E9ssica said:
In article <1074mlj$m6da$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote: >>>>>=20
The Creator and Producer of X-Men '97, Beau DeMayo, went on = something=20
of a>>>>>> posting binge on X Saturday, describing in detail the=20
problems he had with>>>>>> Marvel executives while trying to do a = comic=20
book show that respected fans>>>>>> and the source material. In =
MCU=20process, he revealed some major truths>>>>>> about what goes on = behind=20
the scenes at Marvel, and it explains a LOT about>>>>>> why so many=
=20projects go wrong. This is a MUST SEE folks, and an>>>>>> = inspiration=20=20
- clearly Beau DeMayo gets it, and we need more people like = him>>>>>>=20
in Hollywood! #marvel #mcu #disney>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
https://youtu.be/ijrMi6HhGlU?si=3Dj4HnsJ8x2kWDTcBt
We didn't need to be told this. It has been obvious to any comic fan=
=20since>>>> the middle of Marvel phase 2 (looking at you Age of Ultron=
characters.and Ironman 3)>>>> that they have zero issue deviating wildly from = the=20
source material to the>>>> detriment of the story and the =
=20=20
Hollyweird has been doing that for pretty much as long as it=20
existed. The lazy morons making these "adaptations" (as well=20
"reboots" and "resurrections") usually think they know better than=
=20person who had the talent to create the thing in the first place = as=20
what it "should" have been rather than what it actually *is*.
This doesn't just afflict movies.
It doesn't even just afflict the video industry (TV and movies) either,=20 >although they are sometimes still to blame.
For example, Elisabeth Beresford's books about the Wombles were=20
originally released with illustrations of the creatures with flat=20
snouts, then along came the TV series which stupidly changed them to=20 >having pointed snouts, which then in turn meant re-prints of the books=20 >were also changed to the new design of the creatures. Now almost nobody=20 >remebers the original design of the creatures. ><https://sevenstories.online/behind-stories/wombles-they-had-pointy-nose=
There are also MANY examples were a book series has had the cover=20
design changed mid-run, meaning collectors were faced with either=20
having a mis-matched set or having to re-buy the books they already=20
owned. (The same happened with VHS and DVD releases of movies and TV=20 >shows.)
=20Disney went through a phase of DVDs of its animated classics that were=
looked."restored to better than their original brilliance". A fair number of=20
fans (or fanatics) of Disney animation complained about how they =
=20
I have two CDs purporting to be the same as the original LP Motion
Picture Soundtrack to /Mary Poppins/, both awaiting disposal. I ended
up digitizing the LP because the geniuses-in-charge never bothered to
listen to the LP, they just read the track list. Don't get me wrong:
either CD will do fine for someone who never heard the LP. But they
aren't the same.
=20
And then there's /The Complete Musketeers/, a DVD set of the early
70's films, whose makers never bothered to watch the films in any
form, and so did not show the scenes shot in daylight to be shown as
happening in darkness in darkness. In the theater, the results were so
dark that the screen was almost entirely black. On the DVD you can see
every single detail. Some of which details do not make any sense when
you can see what is going on.
=20
And so on, and so on. The DVD of /The Taming of the Shrew/ (Burton)
omits the line "He who is giddy sees the world turn 'round", making
the response appear pointless.
The reason, of course, is that they are treating the films as
/product/, on which no real effort is to be lavished because, after
all, "it's just a movie". No sense of pride in their own work at all.
=20
=20
Idiotic "Political Correctness" has these days only added another = layer=20=20
of stupid changes. :-\
Sometimes with interesting results.
=20
And, anyway, didn't Trump issue an Executive Order about that?
Despite what Trump the Chump likes to believe, he doesn't control the=20 >entire world ... he doesn't even control the USA thanks to people with=20 >actual brains blocking most of his stupid ideas. His ditching of the=20 >"Political Correctness" stupidity is the *ONLY* sane thing he has ever=20 >come up with.
The BBC, for example, will continue to fulfil checkbox quotas and do=20
silly things like gender/ethnicity-swap existing characters.
There are a couple of politicians here in New Zealand trying to do the=20 >same thing by having everyone treated the same, but the loud-mouthed=20
"PC" fools are of course making a massive fuss about how it is=20 >"anti-Maori" because it would mean they no longer get special treatment=20 >simply because they are Maori (i.e. reverse-racist treatment).
Of course it's not any better when they do look at the product.
For instance the snipping of a smoking scene and the black centauress
from the "restored versions" of "Pecos Bill" & "Fantasia" respectively.
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 09:59:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-09 15:20:16 +0000, Paul S Person said:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 16:28:23 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-09 01:59:48 +0000, I‚ssica said:
In article <1074mlj$m6da$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote: >>>>>>
The Creator and Producer of X-Men '97, Beau DeMayo, went on
something>>>>> of a>>>>>> posting binge on X Saturday, describing in >>>>>> detail the>>>>> problems he had with>>>>>> Marvel executives while >>>>>> trying to do a comic>>>>> book show that respected fans>>>>>> and the >>>>>> source material. In the>>>>> process, he revealed some major
truths>>>>>> about what goes on behind>>>>> the scenes at Marvel, and >>>>>> it explains a LOT about>>>>>> why so many MCU>>>>> projects go wrong. >>>>>> This is a MUST SEE folks, and an>>>>>> inspiration>>>>> - clearly Beau >>>>>> DeMayo gets it, and we need more people like him>>>>>>>>>>> in
Hollywood! #marvel #mcu #disney>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://youtu.be/ijrMi6HhGlU?si=j4HnsJ8x2kWDTcBt
We didn't need to be told this. It has been obvious to any comic
wildly from the>>>> source material to the>>>> detriment of the story >>>>> and the characters.since>>>> the middle of Marvel phase 2 (looking at you Age of >>>>> Ultron>>>> and Ironman 3)>>>> that they have zero issue deviating
Hollyweird has been doing that for pretty much as long as it>>>
existed. The lazy morons making these "adaptations" (as well>>>than>>> the>person who had the talent to create the thing in the first >>>> place as>>> to>what it "should" have been rather than what it actually >>>> *is*.
"reboots" and "resurrections") usually think they know better
This doesn't just afflict movies.
It doesn't even just afflict the video industry (TV and movies)
either,>although they are sometimes still to blame.
For example, Elisabeth Beresford's books about the Wombles
were>originally released with illustrations of the creatures with
flat>snouts, then along came the TV series which stupidly changed them
having pointed snouts, which then in turn meant re-prints of thebooks>were also changed to the new design of the creatures. Now almost
nobody>remebers the original design of the creatures.
<https://sevenstories.online/behind-stories/wombles-they-had-pointy-noses> >>
There are also MANY examples were a book series has had the
cover>design changed mid-run, meaning collectors were faced with
either>having a mis-matched set or having to re-buy the books they
already>owned. (The same happened with VHS and DVD releases of movies
and TV>shows.)
Disney went through a phase of DVDs of its animated classics that
were>> "restored to better than their original brilliance". A fair
number of>> fans (or fanatics) of Disney animation complained about how >>> they looked.
I have two CDs purporting to be the same as the original LP Motion
Picture Soundtrack to /Mary Poppins/, both awaiting disposal. I ended
up digitizing the LP because the geniuses-in-charge never bothered to
listen to the LP, they just read the track list. Don't get me wrong:
either CD will do fine for someone who never heard the LP. But they
aren't the same.
And then there's /The Complete Musketeers/, a DVD set of the early
70's films, whose makers never bothered to watch the films in any
form, and so did not show the scenes shot in daylight to be shown as
happening in darkness in darkness. In the theater, the results were so
dark that the screen was almost entirely black. On the DVD you can see
every single detail. Some of which details do not make any sense when
you can see what is going on.
And so on, and so on. The DVD of /The Taming of the Shrew/ (Burton)
omits the line "He who is giddy sees the world turn 'round", making
the response appear pointless.
The reason, of course, is that they are treating the films as
/product/, on which no real effort is to be lavished because, after
all, "it's just a movie". No sense of pride in their own work at all.
Idiotic "Political Correctness" has these days only added another
layer>>> of stupid changes. :-\
Sometimes with interesting results.
And, anyway, didn't Trump issue an Executive Order about that?
Despite what Trump the Chump likes to believe, he doesn't control
entire world ... he doesn't even control the USA thanks to peoplewith>actual brains blocking most of his stupid ideas. His ditching of
"Political Correctness" stupidity is the *ONLY* sane thing he hasever>come up with.
So sane that Hegseth is apparently trying to turn rebels and traitors
back into heroes.
However, toning down any /actual/ stupidity is always a good thing.
The BBC, for example, will continue to fulfil checkbox quotas and
silly things like gender/ethnicity-swap existing characters.
IIRC, Dr Who can reformulate himself to look like anyone. So some
characters are inherently flexible.
There are a couple of politicians here in New Zealand trying to do
same thing by having everyone treated the same, but theloud-mouthed>"PC" fools are of course making a massive fuss about how
it is>"anti-Maori" because it would mean they no longer get special
treatment>simply because they are Maori (i.e. reverse-racist treatment).
Depends on the motive.
If the motive is to celebrate the arrival of equality in society, that
is one thing.
If the motive is to return to the bad old days, that is something
else.
In the long run, I would /expect/ a truly egalitarian society to be --
truly egalitarian. But the USA is nowhere near that point. Perhaps in
500 years ...
On 9 Aug 2025 17:34:59 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:
<snippo examples of self-centered idiots botching things because they
are so smart they don't have to actually know anything>
Of course it's not any better when they do look at the product.
For instance the snipping of a smoking scene and the black centauress
from the "restored versions" of "Pecos Bill" & "Fantasia" respectively.
Censorship. A different problem, but certainly present.
There appear to be two approaches:
1. Don't censor, but make it clear that the offensive material is from
an offensive time. And, in some cases of cartoon collections (I have
been told), force the viewer to explicitly select each cartoon -- to discourage the kiddies, who shouldn't be viewing them anyway.
2, Do censor, and pretend nothing happened.
I believe it was Disney who, in one of its cartoon collections aimed
at a specific decade or so (I am told, I never bought a copy) used a
later version of "The Three Little Pigs" because the Wolf in the one
from that time frame was a Jewish stereotype. Maltin (IIRC, it was
Maltin) had a feature discussing the cartoons, and /he/ showed clips
of the original Wolf, stereotypes and all.
I have somewhere a clip (not playable using the obvious resources of
Win 11, although something may exist that can play it) of the white
lady unicorn attended by two small black unicorn maids. This was
apparently cut from the re-release which, when I saw it in the
theater, showed me that I had no actual interest in watching that sort
of thing. There truly is no accounting for taste.
Pecos Bill got off lightly. On a different film's DVD, the entire Hatfield/McCoy sequence was cut. Or so I read at the time. Whether the
recent re-releases actually /are/ the originals or not is unknown to
me. Disney, of course, cannot be trusted in this matter.
There are, incidently, entire DVDs of cartoons that are no longer
acceptable in polite society. At least, that is what they claim; I've
never bought one because the quality of 3rd party cartoon disks is
generally deplorable.
On 2025-08-10 15:48:38 +0000, Paul S Person said:respectively.
On 9 Aug 2025 17:34:59 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:
=20
<snippo examples of self-centered idiots botching things because they
are so smart they don't have to actually know anything>
=20
Of course it's not any better when they do look at the product.
For instance the snipping of a smoking scene and the black centauress
from the "restored versions" of "Pecos Bill" & "Fantasia" =
=20
Censorship. A different problem, but certainly present.
=20
There appear to be two approaches:
1. Don't censor, but make it clear that the offensive material is from
an offensive time. And, in some cases of cartoon collections (I have
been told), force the viewer to explicitly select each cartoon -- to
discourage the kiddies, who shouldn't be viewing them anyway.
=20
2, Do censor, and pretend nothing happened.
=20
I believe it was Disney who, in one of its cartoon collections aimed
at a specific decade or so (I am told, I never bought a copy) used a
later version of "The Three Little Pigs" because the Wolf in the one
from that time frame was a Jewish stereotype. Maltin (IIRC, it was
Maltin) had a feature discussing the cartoons, and /he/ showed clips
of the original Wolf, stereotypes and all.
=20
I have somewhere a clip (not playable using the obvious resources of
Win 11, although something may exist that can play it) of the white
lady unicorn attended by two small black unicorn maids. This was
apparently cut from the re-release which, when I saw it in the
theater, showed me that I had no actual interest in watching that sort
of thing. There truly is no accounting for taste.
=20
Pecos Bill got off lightly. On a different film's DVD, the entire
Hatfield/McCoy sequence was cut. Or so I read at the time. Whether the
recent re-releases actually /are/ the originals or not is unknown to
me. Disney, of course, cannot be trusted in this matter.
=20
There are, incidently, entire DVDs of cartoons that are no longer
acceptable in polite society. At least, that is what they claim; I've
never bought one because the quality of 3rd party cartoon disks is
generally deplorable.
The same happens with books. Authors like Roald Dahl and Enid Blyton=20
have had their stories re-edited to remove the "incorrect" bits. :-\
Often such stupidity is due to adults looking at kids' videos and books=20 >and seeing something that the kids would never even think.
On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 09:35:49 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-10 15:48:38 +0000, Paul S Person said:
On 9 Aug 2025 17:34:59 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:
<snippo examples of self-centered idiots botching things because they
are so smart they don't have to actually know anything>
Censorship. A different problem, but certainly present.
Of course it's not any better when they do look at the product.
For instance the snipping of a smoking scene and the black centauress
from the "restored versions" of "Pecos Bill" & "Fantasia" respectively. >>>
There appear to be two approaches:
1. Don't censor, but make it clear that the offensive material is from
an offensive time. And, in some cases of cartoon collections (I have
been told), force the viewer to explicitly select each cartoon -- to
discourage the kiddies, who shouldn't be viewing them anyway.
2, Do censor, and pretend nothing happened.
I believe it was Disney who, in one of its cartoon collections aimed
at a specific decade or so (I am told, I never bought a copy) used a
later version of "The Three Little Pigs" because the Wolf in the one
from that time frame was a Jewish stereotype. Maltin (IIRC, it was
Maltin) had a feature discussing the cartoons, and /he/ showed clips
of the original Wolf, stereotypes and all.
I have somewhere a clip (not playable using the obvious resources of
Win 11, although something may exist that can play it) of the white
lady unicorn attended by two small black unicorn maids. This was
apparently cut from the re-release which, when I saw it in the
theater, showed me that I had no actual interest in watching that sort
of thing. There truly is no accounting for taste.
Pecos Bill got off lightly. On a different film's DVD, the entire
Hatfield/McCoy sequence was cut. Or so I read at the time. Whether the
recent re-releases actually /are/ the originals or not is unknown to
me. Disney, of course, cannot be trusted in this matter.
There are, incidently, entire DVDs of cartoons that are no longer
acceptable in polite society. At least, that is what they claim; I've
never bought one because the quality of 3rd party cartoon disks is
generally deplorable.
The same happens with books. Authors like Roald Dahl and Enid
Blyton>have had their stories re-edited to remove the "incorrect" bits.
:-\
Often such stupidity is due to adults looking at kids' videos and
books>and seeing something that the kids would never even think.
Which is actually what makes some animated movies so popular: lots of
stuff the adults catch that sail right over the heads of the kids.
These are mostly cultural references. Thus, the film /Rango/ has a
character who is straight out of the Man With No Name films, and a
villain straight out of /Chinatown/. Adults may catch this, if they
have seen the other films, but small kids probably won't.
Many many other examples exist. A fairly recent one is the Tad Jones
films (three so far), the first one of which licensed stuff from Lucas because they are very much Indana Jones movies. When I decide a film
is "aimed at a younger audience", I generally mean that it has no such references to keep any adults watching entertained.
In article <1074mlj$m6da$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
The Creator and Producer of X-Men '97, Beau DeMayo, went on something of a >>posting binge on X Saturday, describing in detail the problems he had with >>Marvel executives while trying to do a comic book show that respected fans >>and the source material. In the process, he revealed some major truths >>about what goes on behind the scenes at Marvel, and it explains a LOT about >>why so many MCU projects go wrong. This is a MUST SEE folks, and an >>inspiration - clearly Beau DeMayo gets it, and we need more people like him >>in Hollywood! #marvel #mcu #disney
https://youtu.be/ijrMi6HhGlU?si=j4HnsJ8x2kWDTcBt
We didn't need to be told this. It has been obvious to any comic fan since >the middle of Marvel phase 2 (looking at you Age of Ultron and Ironman 3) >that they have zero issue deviating wildly from the source material to the >detriment of the story and the characters.
In article <1074mlj$m6da$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
The Creator and Producer of X-Men '97, Beau DeMayo, went on something of a >>posting binge on X Saturday, describing in detail the problems he had with >>Marvel executives while trying to do a comic book show that respected fans >>and the source material. In the process, he revealed some major truths >>about what goes on behind the scenes at Marvel, and it explains a LOT about >>why so many MCU projects go wrong. This is a MUST SEE folks, and an >>inspiration - clearly Beau DeMayo gets it, and we need more people like him >>in Hollywood! #marvel #mcu #disney
https://youtu.be/ijrMi6HhGlU?si=j4HnsJ8x2kWDTcBt
We didn't need to be told this. It has been obvious to any comic fan since >the middle of Marvel phase 2 (looking at you Age of Ultron and Ironman 3) >that they have zero issue deviating wildly from the source material to the >detriment of the story and the characters.
ssica6449990@alertas6.safiracorbonita.cfd wrote:of a=20
In article <1074mlj$m6da$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
The Creator and Producer of X-Men '97, Beau DeMayo, went on something =
truths=20posting binge on X Saturday, describing in detail the problems he had = with=20
Marvel executives while trying to do a comic book show that respected = fans=20
and the source material. In the process, he revealed some major =
like him=20about what goes on behind the scenes at Marvel, and it explains a LOT = about=20
why so many MCU projects go wrong. This is a MUST SEE folks, and an=20 >>>inspiration - clearly Beau DeMayo gets it, and we need more people =
what=20in Hollywood! #marvel #mcu #disney=20
https://youtu.be/ijrMi6HhGlU?si=3Dj4HnsJ8x2kWDTcBt
We didn't need to be told this. It has been obvious to any comic fan = since=20
the middle of Marvel phase 2 (looking at you Age of Ultron and Ironman = 3)=20
that they have zero issue deviating wildly from the source material to = the=20
detriment of the story and the characters.
It=92s funny going back now and rewatching the old "bad" MCU films after=
we=92ve been served the last half decade. They=92re masterpieces, = comparatively.
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