• That's some good lawyering

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 24 05:45:03 2025
    Here's a defense attorney that a viewer would never see on tv.

    A man is arrested for kidnapping of a minor, later charge changed to
    attempted. At his first bond hearing, with the kidnapping charge, he was
    denied bond. It's not explained but when the charge was changed to
    attempted, he didn't get another bond hearing.

    This occurred at a Walmart. He needed a specific type of Tyenol for a sick relative he and his daughter were caring for and it wasn't obvious where
    on the shelf it was. He asked for help from a mother in a mobility scooter
    with children hanging on to the scooter. At first the man thought she
    was handicapped but she was able to stand up and was apparently using it
    just to give her children a ride. At one point, she backed into a display, knocking it over, and ran over the foot of one of her children but there
    was no serious damage. When she was helping the man, he held her baby
    briefly because he thought the woman, still thinking she was handicapped,
    was about to drop the child, then gave the child back immediately when
    the mother didn't need help any more. This was less than 2 seconds.

    He has several normal interactions with the woman and various Walmart employees; the woman had interactions with various employees. After
    finding the medicine, he showed it to her in gratitude.

    Some time later, she makes the kidnapping allegation to a Walmart
    employee but doesn't want to call the cops herself. In the comments on
    the first video, the mother has done this before.

    The defense lawyer has put together a compilation video of store
    security footage. Incredibly, she gets it introduced at the bond hearing
    over prosecution objection because the defendant's calm and friendly
    demeanor is evidence that he isn't a flight risk and isn't dangerous and
    is therefore eligible for bond.

    The video, of course, makes the judge sympathetic toward the defendant
    because it's clear if police had reviewed this, there was no evidence to support the mother's complaint. It's absurd that it's still being
    prosecuted.

    The judge ordered him released on a low bond he could afford. He spent
    45 days in pre-trial custody.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3MasIV1G8w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b0O1F3JtRg

    What should the defense attorney do at this point to get the indictment dismissed?

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 24 05:49:48 2025
    On Jun 23, 2025 at 12:45:03 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    Here's a defense attorney that a viewer would never see on tv.

    A man is arrested for kidnapping of a minor, later charge changed to attempted. At his first bond hearing, with the kidnapping charge, he was denied bond. It's not explained but when the charge was changed to
    attempted, he didn't get another bond hearing.

    This occurred at a Walmart. He needed a specific type of Tyenol for a sick relative he and his daughter were caring for and it wasn't obvious where
    on the shelf it was. He asked for help from a mother in a mobility scooter with children hanging on to the scooter. At first the man thought she
    was handicapped but she was able to stand up and was apparently using it
    just to give her children a ride. At one point, she backed into a display, knocking it over, and ran over the foot of one of her children but there
    was no serious damage. When she was helping the man, he held her baby
    briefly because he thought the woman, still thinking she was handicapped,
    was about to drop the child, then gave the child back immediately when
    the mother didn't need help any more. This was less than 2 seconds.

    He has several normal interactions with the woman and various Walmart employees; the woman had interactions with various employees. After
    finding the medicine, he showed it to her in gratitude.

    Some time later, she makes the kidnapping allegation to a Walmart
    employee but doesn't want to call the cops herself. In the comments on
    the first video, the mother has done this before.

    The defense lawyer has put together a compilation video of store
    security footage. Incredibly, she gets it introduced at the bond hearing
    over prosecution objection because the defendant's calm and friendly
    demeanor is evidence that he isn't a flight risk and isn't dangerous and
    is therefore eligible for bond.

    The video, of course, makes the judge sympathetic toward the defendant because it's clear if police had reviewed this, there was no evidence to support the mother's complaint. It's absurd that it's still being
    prosecuted.

    The judge ordered him released on a low bond he could afford. He spent
    45 days in pre-trial custody.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3MasIV1G8w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b0O1F3JtRg

    What should the defense attorney do at this point to get the indictment dismissed?

    Go to the local news with the video.



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  • From Rhino@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 24 11:24:46 2025
    On 2025-06-23 3:49 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 23, 2025 at 12:45:03 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Here's a defense attorney that a viewer would never see on tv.

    A man is arrested for kidnapping of a minor, later charge changed to
    attempted. At his first bond hearing, with the kidnapping charge, he was
    denied bond. It's not explained but when the charge was changed to
    attempted, he didn't get another bond hearing.

    This occurred at a Walmart. He needed a specific type of Tyenol for a sick >> relative he and his daughter were caring for and it wasn't obvious where
    on the shelf it was. He asked for help from a mother in a mobility scooter >> with children hanging on to the scooter. At first the man thought she
    was handicapped but she was able to stand up and was apparently using it
    just to give her children a ride. At one point, she backed into a display, >> knocking it over, and ran over the foot of one of her children but there
    was no serious damage. When she was helping the man, he held her baby
    briefly because he thought the woman, still thinking she was handicapped,
    was about to drop the child, then gave the child back immediately when
    the mother didn't need help any more. This was less than 2 seconds.

    He has several normal interactions with the woman and various Walmart
    employees; the woman had interactions with various employees. After
    finding the medicine, he showed it to her in gratitude.

    Some time later, she makes the kidnapping allegation to a Walmart
    employee but doesn't want to call the cops herself. In the comments on
    the first video, the mother has done this before.

    The defense lawyer has put together a compilation video of store
    security footage. Incredibly, she gets it introduced at the bond hearing
    over prosecution objection because the defendant's calm and friendly
    demeanor is evidence that he isn't a flight risk and isn't dangerous and
    is therefore eligible for bond.

    The video, of course, makes the judge sympathetic toward the defendant
    because it's clear if police had reviewed this, there was no evidence to
    support the mother's complaint. It's absurd that it's still being
    prosecuted.

    The judge ordered him released on a low bond he could afford. He spent
    45 days in pre-trial custody.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3MasIV1G8w
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b0O1F3JtRg

    What should the defense attorney do at this point to get the indictment
    dismissed?

    Go to the local news with the video.


    I'd say the woman who complained about the "kidnapping" would be a good candidate for a lawsuit for "grievous prosecution" (or whatever the term
    is for when someone files charges without genuine grounds against an
    innocent person) because she's apparently done this before.
    --
    Rhino


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