According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death penalty is wrong', while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the street-side execution of a businessman because 'healthcare reform', or something.
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death penalty is wrong',
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare reform', or something.
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and
murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death
penalty is wrong',
I've always opposed the death penalty, not for moral reasons (some people
are in fact evil and need kill'n) but because it's impossible for the legal system
to get it right 101% of the time and there's no "do overs" with an execution.
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the
street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare reform', or
something.
I don't have a problem with this at all. Fuck Wall Street.
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and >>>murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death >>>penalty is wrong',
I've always opposed the death penalty, not for moral reasons (some people >>are in fact evil and need kill'n) but because it's impossible for the legal system
to get it right 101% of the time and there's no "do overs" with an execution.
There's no do-overs for a life spent behind bars, either.
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering
for the street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare >>>reform', or something.
I don't have a problem with this at all. Fuck Wall Street.
So it's cool to kill people if they're part of business you don't like?
Well, those Planned Parenthood doctors better start sleeping with one eye >open, then.
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time.
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with Capitalism!"
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time.
Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and
murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death
penalty is wrong',
I've always opposed the death penalty, not for moral reasons (some people
are in fact evil and need kill'n) but because it's impossible for the legal system
to get it right 101% of the time and there's no "do overs" with an execution.
There's no do-overs for a life spent behind bars, either.
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the
street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare reform', or
something.
I don't have a problem with this at all. Fuck Wall Street.
So it's cool to kill people if they're part of business you don't like?
Well, those Planned Parenthood doctors better start sleeping with one eye open, then.
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the >>>death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include
a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been >>>charged with, convicted of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >Capitalism!"
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time.
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >Capitalism!"
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
companies.
Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and
murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death
penalty is wrong',
I've always opposed the death penalty, not for moral reasons (some people
are in fact evil and need kill'n) but because it's impossible for the legal system
to get it right 101% of the time and there's no "do overs" with an execution.
There's no do-overs for a life spent behind bars, either.
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the
street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare reform', or
something.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:Aren't you free to purchase health insurance from anyone you want? Don't
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the
death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include >>>> a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been
charged with, convicted of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with
Capitalism!"
Rhino, I love you dearly, but nothing about health care resembles a free marketplace and health insurance ain't capitalism.
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust,
immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>> Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>>> companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect.
On 12/25/2024 2:28 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral,
and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a
blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS
"Down with Capitalism!"
Umm... why doesn't it absolutely SCREAM "Fuck our health-system!"?
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health
insurance companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 17:44:22 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and >>>> murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death >>>> penalty is wrong',
I've always opposed the death penalty, not for moral reasons (some people >>> are in fact evil and need kill'n) but because it's impossible for the legal system
to get it right 101% of the time and there's no "do overs" with an execution.
There's no do-overs for a life spent behind bars, either.
Of course there is. At least there is the potential of getting out and
having some time alive and outside the bars.
released just recently after spending around 30 years behind bars
after being wrongly convicted. He wouldn't have that do-over, such as
it is, if he had been executed. Hell, they probably would have never discovered that he was wrongly convicted if he had been executed.
Now it doesn't make up for the time lost while in prison but at least
there is that chance at freedom if you aren't on death row.
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the
street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare reform', or
something.
I can't support murdering anyone but I do get why some are cheering
for that CEOs death giving how badly the company treats people who
paid them money to get health care coverage to only have the claim
rejected by the company.
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't like on >>> the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death penalty >>> that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, jury, or >>> court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. Not a >>> straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down
with Capitalism!"
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 17:44:22 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
BTR1701
Biden just commuted the death sentence of a piece of shit who raped and >>>>> murdered three females, two of them small children, because 'the death >>>>> penalty is wrong',
I've always opposed the death penalty, not for moral reasons (some people >>>> are in fact evil and need kill'n) but because it's impossible for the legal system
to get it right 101% of the time and there's no "do overs" with an execution.
There's no do-overs for a life spent behind bars, either.
Of course there is. At least there is the potential of getting out and
having some time alive and outside the bars.
Not if you're serving life without parole and you do the whole stretch and >are carried out in a pine box. If it turns out you were innocent, where's
the do-over.
Wasn't there another man
released just recently after spending around 30 years behind bars
after being wrongly convicted. He wouldn't have that do-over, such as
it is, if he had been executed. Hell, they probably would have never
discovered that he was wrongly convicted if he had been executed.
Now it doesn't make up for the time lost while in prison but at least
there is that chance at freedom if you aren't on death row.
while at the same time, literally millions of his voters are cheering for the
street-side execution of a businessman because'healthcare reform', or >>>>> something.
I can't support murdering anyone but I do get why some are cheering
for that CEOs death giving how badly the company treats people who
paid them money to get health care coverage to only have the claim
rejected by the company.
So the death penalty is evil and a guy who rapes and murders kids doesn't >deserve to be executed , but a businessman with questionable ethics is so >horrible that executing him without charges or trial on a city street is >perfectly cool.
On 2024-12-25 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, RhinoHow are you determining the political inclinations of people on Twitter, >particularly if they are "average", which presumably means unknown to
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>> Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
you, as opposed to famous people? In other words, how do you know that
these "average" people aren't just as far left as AOC or Bernie Sanders?
What I do see is many people hating on the current health careI've seen claims from people in comments under news stories about
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
Mangione that say they've mysteriously found themselves getting their
claims approved since the murder, claims that had previously been
rejected.
I have no idea how credible those claims are. I can't help but
wonder if they are part of an initiative to give oxygen to the crowd
that is cheering on the murder: "See? Kill one of their executives and >claims start being accepted. Maybe we need to think about killing more
of them...." Of course this could be a complete lie.
Why doesn't someone start a health insurance firm that is willing to set >itself an objective - and promise its customers - that they will be >satisfied by a profit of, say 10% per year with any additional profit
being paid back to customers in rebates on their premiums or reduced >co-pays? If they could be satisfied with a modest profit, I would think
they would be attractive to customers.
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>>> companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted >>>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>> Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
Taylor Lorenz, of Washington Post, said she felt joy when she heard who the >victim was.
On 2024-12-25 2:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 2:28 PM, Rhino wrote:If you don't like the health system, you should be changing the
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust,
immoral, and evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you
don't like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The
only form of the death penalty that's okay for the Left is
the form that doesn't include a judge, jury, or court, and
where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this
country. Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as
a blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely
SCREAMS "Down with Capitalism!"
Umm... why doesn't it absolutely SCREAM "Fuck our health-system!"?
health system, NOT killing executives from that system. But the Far
Left LOVES the whole notion of destroying the existing system -
"burning it all down" - with only an implied claim that something
better will come along to replace it - eventually - and then failing
to deliver.
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust,
immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down
with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>>>> companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect.
Rhino
If you don't like the health system, you should be changing the health system, NOT killing executives from that system.
On 2024-12-25 2:52 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>>>evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the >>>>>death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include >>>>>a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been >>>>>charged with, convicted of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>>Capitalism!"
Rhino, I love you dearly, but nothing about health care resembles a free >>marketplace and health insurance ain't capitalism.
Aren't you free to purchase health insurance from anyone you want? Don't
the various health insurers compete with one another for your business? >Aren't they for-profit enterprises rather than charities or government >departments? In what sense are they NOT capitalism?
. . .
On 2024-12-25 2:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 2:28 PM, Rhino wrote:If you don't like the health system, you should be changing the health >system, NOT killing executives from that system. But the Far Left LOVES
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, >>>>> and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a
blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS
"Down with Capitalism!"
Umm... why doesn't it absolutely SCREAM "Fuck our health-system!"?
the whole notion of destroying the existing system - "burning it all
down" - with only an implied claim that something better will come along
to replace it - eventually - and then failing to deliver.
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health
insurance companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time. >>>>
--
Rhino
Rhino
If you don't like the health system, you should be changing the health
system, NOT killing executives from that system.
How do you change the health insurance system when the health insurance
laws are written by the health insurance corporations, who have the politicians
in their pocket?
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 2:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 2:28 PM, Rhino wrote:If you don't like the health system, you should be changing the health
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, >>>>>> and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a
blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS
"Down with Capitalism!"
Umm... why doesn't it absolutely SCREAM "Fuck our health-system!"?
system, NOT killing executives from that system. But the Far Left LOVES
the whole notion of destroying the existing system - "burning it all
down" - with only an implied claim that something better will come along
to replace it - eventually - and then failing to deliver.
I'm with Netanyahu on this one: Kill enough of the enemy's top leaders
all at once till there's someone left who is suddenly willing to come to terms.
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health
insurance companies.
Think your robotic political attacks through more thoroughly next time. >>>>>
--
Rhino
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 2:52 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>> like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the >>>>>> death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include >>>>>> a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been >>>>>> charged with, convicted of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>> Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>>> Capitalism!"
Rhino, I love you dearly, but nothing about health care resembles a free >>> marketplace and health insurance ain't capitalism.
Aren't you free to purchase health insurance from anyone you want? Don't
the various health insurers compete with one another for your business?
Aren't they for-profit enterprises rather than charities or government
departments? In what sense are they NOT capitalism?
I'm not free to buy the medical care I need at the price I want. There are middlemen that deny me access to the market: Pharmacy benefit managers, various brokers, and administrative services only (someone else sets
the price).
. . .
Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
I'm with Netanyahu on this one: Kill enough of the enemy's top leaders
all at once till there's someone left who is suddenly willing to come to terms.
I agree that this approach has worked better for Israel than anything
else they've ever tried - and they have tried a LOT of things - but I'm
not sure murdering insurance executives should be a FIRST resort in reforming health care.
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust,
immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, >>>>>>> convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a
blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down >>>>> with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him. >>>>
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health
insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect.
the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd.
Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On 2024-12-25 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>>>>> Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on >>>>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the >>>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him. >>>>>
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways. >>>>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does >>>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from >>>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had >>>>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>>>>>> companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that >>>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect.
the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd.
Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On re-reading this, I'm not sure if "he/him" refers to Mangione or
Trump. If it meant Trump, I stand by my assertion that he has every
right to speak about health insurance in general. If it meant Mangione,
it would be risky for him to speak about his motivation in shooting the
CEO: it might rally him some support from the people who think
murdering insurance CEOs is a good idea but it would make it a whole
lot harder to justify his not-guilty plea, which wouldn't augur well
for him in his trial.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 16:08:20 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, RhinoHow are you determining the political inclinations of people on Twitter,
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>>>> evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>>> Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
particularly if they are "average", which presumably means unknown to
you, as opposed to famous people? In other words, how do you know that
these "average" people aren't just as far left as AOC or Bernie Sanders?
Based on their words. How else would one determine anyone's political inclinations based on a text centered communication platform?
What I do see is many people hating on the current health careI've seen claims from people in comments under news stories about
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
Mangione that say they've mysteriously found themselves getting their
claims approved since the murder, claims that had previously been
rejected.
I haven't seen that but then I haven't been on Twitter in the last
couple of days so I have no idea what claims are being made.
I have no idea how credible those claims are. I can't help but
wonder if they are part of an initiative to give oxygen to the crowd
that is cheering on the murder: "See? Kill one of their executives and
claims start being accepted. Maybe we need to think about killing more
of them...." Of course this could be a complete lie.
Or it's just people seeking a bit of attention by making such a claim.
It's not like anyone is going to actually check their claims and get
them in some sort of trouble if they were found to be lying on
Twitter.
Why doesn't someone start a health insurance firm that is willing to set
itself an objective - and promise its customers - that they will be
satisfied by a profit of, say 10% per year with any additional profit
being paid back to customers in rebates on their premiums or reduced
co-pays? If they could be satisfied with a modest profit, I would think
they would be attractive to customers.
It seems like Blue Cross is doing close to that. In that at least they
were found to be the best at actually approving claims. Of course that
still raises questions about 5-7% of claims that they deny but I
haven't seen any follow up that looked into the validity of those
claims that were denied by the company.
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>>>> companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
On 2024-12-25 19:28:07 +0000, Rhino said:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral,
and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a
blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS
"Down with Capitalism!"
And rightists assassinating abortion providers by shooting them in the
back also screams "Down with Abortion!," google it for examples. Don't pretend ambush assassinations are the exclusive purview of the left.
On 2024-12-25 5:02 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 16:08:20 -0500, RhinoSo these tweets actually say explicitly that the tweeter is a confirmed >socialist/Marxist or conservative? Otherwise, I'm not sure how you could >tell their basic orientation.
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, RhinoHow are you determining the political inclinations of people on Twitter, >>> particularly if they are "average", which presumably means unknown to
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>>>> Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him. >>>>
you, as opposed to famous people? In other words, how do you know that
these "average" people aren't just as far left as AOC or Bernie Sanders?
Based on their words. How else would one determine anyone's political
inclinations based on a text centered communication platform?
After all, the vast majority of people may be right-leaning but have
some left-leaning opinions - or vice versa - so expressing an opinion on
one issue rarely makes it crystal clear where they are in general.
I don't do Twitter. I think I saw those remarks in a New York PostWhat I do see is many people hating on the current health careI've seen claims from people in comments under news stories about
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
Mangione that say they've mysteriously found themselves getting their
claims approved since the murder, claims that had previously been
rejected.
I haven't seen that but then I haven't been on Twitter in the last
couple of days so I have no idea what claims are being made.
article about Mangione. My impression is that the Post leans right in >general but I've only read it a handful of times so I could be wrong.
Agreed.I have no idea how credible those claims are. I can't help but
wonder if they are part of an initiative to give oxygen to the crowd
that is cheering on the murder: "See? Kill one of their executives and
claims start being accepted. Maybe we need to think about killing more
of them...." Of course this could be a complete lie.
Or it's just people seeking a bit of attention by making such a claim.
It's not like anyone is going to actually check their claims and get
them in some sort of trouble if they were found to be lying on
Twitter.
I truly can't picture an insurance company that would ever approve ALL >claims. That would imply that all of their customers are perfectlyWhy doesn't someone start a health insurance firm that is willing to set >>> itself an objective - and promise its customers - that they will be
satisfied by a profit of, say 10% per year with any additional profit
being paid back to customers in rebates on their premiums or reduced
co-pays? If they could be satisfied with a modest profit, I would think
they would be attractive to customers.
It seems like Blue Cross is doing close to that. In that at least they
were found to be the best at actually approving claims. Of course that
still raises questions about 5-7% of claims that they deny but I
haven't seen any follow up that looked into the validity of those
claims that were denied by the company.
honest and not trying to put something over on them. There are always
going to be a few people who try claiming something sketchy. And sadly,
with medical claims, there are some sketchy doctors who will write up >medical documentation for a claim that they suspect is bogus so simply >accepting everything the claimant says at face value is not something
that is likely to happen anywhere.
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going >>>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance >>>>>> companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
On 2024-12-25 11:40 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino� <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 2:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 2:28 PM, Rhino wrote:If you don't like the health system, you should be changing the health
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, >>>>>>> and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with,
convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>>> Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a
blow against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS
"Down with Capitalism!"
Umm... why doesn't it absolutely SCREAM "Fuck our health-system!"?
system, NOT killing executives from that system. But the Far Left LOVES
the whole notion of destroying the existing system - "burning it all
down" - with only an implied claim that something better will come along >>> to replace it - eventually - and then failing to deliver.
I'm with Netanyahu on this one: Kill enough of the enemy's top leaders
all at once till there's someone left who is suddenly willing to come to
terms.
I agree that this approach has worked better for Israel than anything
else they've ever tried - and they have tried a LOT of things - but I'm
not sure murdering insurance executives should be a FIRST resort in reforming health care.
...
On 2024-12-26 17:09:02 +0000, Rhino said:
On 2024-12-25 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, >>>>>>>>> immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, >>>>>>>>> convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this >>>>>>>>> country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as >>>>>>> a blow
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS
"Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on >>>>>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the >>>>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting >>>>>> him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways. >>>>>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does >>>>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from >>>>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had >>>>>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal >>>>>>>> going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health
insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that >>>>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect.
the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd.
Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On re-reading this, I'm not sure if "he/him" refers to Mangione or
Trump. If it meant Trump, I stand by my assertion that he has every
right to speak about health insurance in general. If it meant
Mangione, it would be risky for him to speak about his motivation in
shooting the CEO: it might rally him some support from the people who
think murdering insurance CEOs is a good idea but it would make it a
whole lot harder to justify his not-guilty plea, which wouldn't augur
well for him in his trial.
I believe his lawyer (reportedly a former prosecutor and probably the
best legal counsel he could hope for in a case with such overwhelming evidence) is going for an insanity defense and hoping for jury nullification. As we've seen there's certainly no shortage of people sympathetic to his cause.
On 12/26/2024 12:20 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-26 17:09:02 +0000, Rhino said:
On 2024-12-25 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in >>>>> the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as >>>>>>>> a blow
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, >>>>>>>>>> immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, >>>>>>>>>> convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this >>>>>>>>>> country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively? >>>>>>>>
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS >>>>>>>> "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on >>>>>>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the >>>>>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting >>>>>>> him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways. >>>>>>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does >>>>>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from >>>>>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had >>>>>>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest >>>>>>> number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance >>>>>>> company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal >>>>>>>>> going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health >>>>>>>>> insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that >>>>>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect. >>>>>>
Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On re-reading this, I'm not sure if "he/him" refers to Mangione or
Trump. If it meant Trump, I stand by my assertion that he has every
right to speak about health insurance in general. If it meant
Mangione, it would be risky for him to speak about his motivation in
shooting the CEO: it might rally him some support from the people who
think murdering insurance CEOs is a good idea but it would make it a
whole lot harder to justify his not-guilty plea, which wouldn't augur
well for him in his trial.
I believe his lawyer (reportedly a former prosecutor and probably the
best legal counsel he could hope for in a case with such overwhelming
evidence) is going for an insanity defense and hoping for jury
nullification. As we've seen there's certainly no shortage of people
sympathetic to his cause.
As I understand it, an 'insanity defense' would be its own thing
...whereas 'jury nullification' would say, "He did it but in the service
of higher justice we're setting him free anyway." And, to arrive at the latter, the jury would have to engage perilous precedent.
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2024 12:20 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-26 17:09:02 +0000, Rhino said:
On 2024-12-25 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in >>>>>> the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd. >>>>>
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as >>>>>>>>> a blow
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, >>>>>>>>>>> immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, >>>>>>>>>>> convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this >>>>>>>>>>> country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively? >>>>>>>>>
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS >>>>>>>>> "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on >>>>>>>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I >>>>>>>> couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the >>>>>>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting >>>>>>>> him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care >>>>>>>> industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways. >>>>>>>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does >>>>>>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from >>>>>>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had >>>>>>>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest >>>>>>>> number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance >>>>>>>> company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal >>>>>>>>>> going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health >>>>>>>>>> insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean >>>>>>>> everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that >>>>>>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect. >>>>>>>
On re-reading this, I'm not sure if "he/him" refers to Mangione or
Trump. If it meant Trump, I stand by my assertion that he has every
right to speak about health insurance in general. If it meant
Mangione, it would be risky for him to speak about his motivation in
shooting the CEO: it might rally him some support from the people who
think murdering insurance CEOs is a good idea but it would make it a
whole lot harder to justify his not-guilty plea, which wouldn't augur
well for him in his trial.
I believe his lawyer (reportedly a former prosecutor and probably the
best legal counsel he could hope for in a case with such overwhelming
evidence) is going for an insanity defense and hoping for jury
nullification. As we've seen there's certainly no shortage of people
sympathetic to his cause.
As I understand it, an 'insanity defense' would be its own thing
...whereas 'jury nullification' would say, "He did it but in the service
of higher justice we're setting him free anyway." And, to arrive at the
latter, the jury would have to engage perilous precedent.
Nullification is an odd thing in that while it is technically legal, attorneys are prohibited from arguing it in court, so any jury that wants
to do it has to know about that option on their own.
I wonder if judgment notwithstanding the verdict is available to the prosecution or if that's only something the defense can argue for.
On 12/26/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2024 12:20 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-26 17:09:02 +0000, Rhino said:
On 2024-12-25 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in >>>>>>> the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd. >>>>>>
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as >>>>>>>>>> a blow
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, >>>>>>>>>>>> immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>>>>>>> like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death >>>>>>>>>>>> penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge, >>>>>>>>>>>> jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, >>>>>>>>>>>> convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this >>>>>>>>>>>> country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively? >>>>>>>>>>
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS >>>>>>>>>> "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on >>>>>>>>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I >>>>>>>>> couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the >>>>>>>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting >>>>>>>>> him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care >>>>>>>>> industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways. >>>>>>>>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does >>>>>>>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from >>>>>>>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had >>>>>>>>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest >>>>>>>>> number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance >>>>>>>>> company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal >>>>>>>>>>> going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health >>>>>>>>>>> insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean >>>>>>>>> everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that >>>>>>>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect. >>>>>>>>
On re-reading this, I'm not sure if "he/him" refers to Mangione or
Trump. If it meant Trump, I stand by my assertion that he has every
right to speak about health insurance in general. If it meant
Mangione, it would be risky for him to speak about his motivation in >>>>> shooting the CEO: it might rally him some support from the people who >>>>> think murdering insurance CEOs is a good idea but it would make it a >>>>> whole lot harder to justify his not-guilty plea, which wouldn't augur >>>>> well for him in his trial.
I believe his lawyer (reportedly a former prosecutor and probably the
best legal counsel he could hope for in a case with such overwhelming
evidence) is going for an insanity defense and hoping for jury
nullification. As we've seen there's certainly no shortage of people
sympathetic to his cause.
As I understand it, an 'insanity defense' would be its own thing
...whereas 'jury nullification' would say, "He did it but in the service >>> of higher justice we're setting him free anyway." And, to arrive at the >>> latter, the jury would have to engage perilous precedent.
Nullification is an odd thing in that while it is technically legal,
attorneys are prohibited from arguing it in court, so any jury that wants
to do it has to know about that option on their own.
I wonder if judgment notwithstanding the verdict is available to the
prosecution or if that's only something the defense can argue for.
Especially as neither of us has heard of it, I'd guess the latter.
Is "judgment notwithstanding" a thing? I assume its difference from
'jury nullification' would be that His Honor must find the defendant innocent and the jury
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2024 12:20 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-26 17:09:02 +0000, Rhino said:
On 2024-12-25 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 12/25/2024 4:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2024-12-25 3:57 PM, moviePig wrote:Error.� I thought 'he/him' referred to Mangione.
On 12/25/2024 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:Huh? It's politically incorrect for the soon-to-be top politician in >>>>>>>> the land to have an opinion about a political matter? That's absurd. >>>>>>>
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as >>>>>>>>>>> a blow
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, >>>>>>>>>>>>> immoral, and
evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
like on
the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
penalty
that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
jury, or
court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, >>>>>>>>>>>>> convicted
of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this >>>>>>>>>>>>> country.
Not a
straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively? >>>>>>>>>>>
against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS >>>>>>>>>>> "Down with
Capitalism!"
The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I >>>>>>>>>> couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the >>>>>>>>>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting >>>>>>>>>> him.
What I do see is many people hating on the current health care >>>>>>>>>> industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does >>>>>>>>>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from >>>>>>>>>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest >>>>>>>>>> number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance >>>>>>>>>> company.)
I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal >>>>>>>>>>>> going
and one would think that would include sticking it to health >>>>>>>>>>>> insurance
companies.
Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean >>>>>>>>>> everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that >>>>>>>>>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
Giving him such a podium would be proclaimed politically incorrect. >>>>>>>>>
On re-reading this, I'm not sure if "he/him" refers to Mangione or >>>>>> Trump. If it meant Trump, I stand by my assertion that he has every >>>>>> right to speak about health insurance in general. If it meant
Mangione, it would be risky for him to speak about his motivation in >>>>>> shooting the CEO: it might rally him some support from the people who >>>>>> think murdering insurance CEOs is a good idea but it would make it a >>>>>> whole lot harder to justify his not-guilty plea, which wouldn't augur >>>>>> well for him in his trial.
I believe his lawyer (reportedly a former prosecutor and probably the >>>>> best legal counsel he could hope for in a case with such overwhelming >>>>> evidence) is going for an insanity defense and hoping for jury
nullification. As we've seen there's certainly no shortage of people >>>>> sympathetic to his cause.
As I understand it, an 'insanity defense' would be its own thing
...whereas 'jury nullification' would say, "He did it but in the service >>>> of higher justice we're setting him free anyway." And, to arrive at the >>>> latter, the jury would have to engage perilous precedent.
Nullification is an odd thing in that while it is technically legal,
attorneys are prohibited from arguing it in court, so any jury that wants >>> to do it has to know about that option on their own.
I wonder if judgment notwithstanding the verdict is available to the
prosecution or if that's only something the defense can argue for.
Especially as neither of us has heard of it, I'd guess the latter.
Is "judgment notwithstanding" a thing? I assume its difference from
'jury nullification' would be that His Honor must find the defendant
innocent and the jury
JNOV is where a judge overrules a jury's verdict and enters a different judgment, essentially setting aside the jury's decision, because the judge believes the verdict was not supported by the evidence presented in the
case and is considered legally flawed; it is a rare occurrence where a
judge can essentially reverse a jury decision after the trial is completed.
On 2024-12-25 11:36 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 2:52 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and >>>>>>>evil.
Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't >>>>>>>like on the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the >>>>>>>death penalty that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include >>>>>>>a judge, jury, or court, and where the executed person has not been >>>>>>>charged with, convicted of, or even accused of any specific crime.
This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country. >>>>>>>Not a straw man. It's what they believe.
Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow >>>>>against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with >>>>>Capitalism!"
Rhino, I love you dearly, but nothing about health care resembles a free >>>>marketplace and health insurance ain't capitalism.
Aren't you free to purchase health insurance from anyone you want? Don't >>>the various health insurers compete with one another for your business? >>>Aren't they for-profit enterprises rather than charities or government >>>departments? In what sense are they NOT capitalism?
I'm not free to buy the medical care I need at the price I want. There are >>middlemen that deny me access to the market: Pharmacy benefit managers, >>various brokers, and administrative services only (someone else sets
the price).
Really? I have only the slightest familiarity with the US system so I
can't plausibly talk about it. I have no idea what a pharmacy benefit >manager is, who pays him, and what he can and cannot do with respect to >selling a health insurance policy. We have brokers here, particularly
for car and property insurance, and they sell policies of various
different providers of whichever kind of insurance you want. They get >commissions regardless of whose policy they sell you; seems like
capitalism to me. I don't begin to understand what you mean by >administrative services in this context.
Rhino
shawn
It seems like Blue Cross is doing close to that. In that at least they
were found to be the best at actually approving claims. Of course that still raises questions about 5-7% of claims that they deny but I
haven't seen any follow up that looked into the validity of those
claims that were denied by the company.
I truly can't picture an insurance company that would ever approve ALL claims. That would imply that all of their customers are perfectly
honest and not trying to put something over on them. There are always
going to be a few people who try claiming something sketchy. And sadly,
with medical claims, there are some sketchy doctors who will write up medical documentation for a claim that they suspect is bogus so simply accepting everything the claimant says at face value is not something
that is likely to happen anywhere.
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