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  • Re: More Holiday Political Correctness

    From moviePig@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 11 08:25:26 2024
    On 12/9/2024 10:55 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 16:29:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    The issue would seem to be whether potential offense was purposely
    ignored. E.g., blacks say "nigger" all the time, but *you* can't,
    simply because you *know* you can't. So, Mrs. Goldstein won't be
    offended when your 5-year-old wishes her a "Merry Christmas", or even
    when *you* do if she thinks you're fresh off the boat...

    "Nigger" is offensive irregardless of the ethnicity of the speaker. No
    sane non-racist should think anybody gets a free pass on naughty
    words.

    But, afaics, blacks speaking of blacks use 'nigger' play-offensively
    ....much like we might use "sonofabitch".


    If I knew Mrs Goldstein's name was Goldstein I certainly wouldn't say
    "Merry Christmas" - but then I deliberately avoid awkwardness while recognizing I might occasionally put my foot in it out of ignorance.

    Afaik, insult always involves intent. I never understand claims to the contrary.



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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Dec 11 18:17:36 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:25:26 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/9/2024 10:55 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 16:29:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    "Nigger" is offensive irregardless of the ethnicity of the speaker. No
    sane non-racist should think anybody gets a free pass on naughty
    words.

    But, afaics, blacks speaking of blacks use 'nigger' play-offensively
    ...much like we might use "sonofabitch".

    I know that but remain offended when I hear it.

    And no question race of the speaker doesn't make it less racist. Sorry
    - no "Get out of Jail Free" card from here. When I hear it I usually
    say under my breath "stupid mother******"


    If I knew Mrs Goldstein's name was Goldstein I certainly wouldn't say
    "Merry Christmas" - but then I deliberately avoid awkwardness while
    recognizing I might occasionally put my foot in it out of ignorance.

    Afaik, insult always involves intent. I never understand claims to the >contrary.

    So if I'm not intending to insult you it's no damage no foul? Uh - I
    don't want to test that in Watts.

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  • From moviePig@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Dec 12 08:04:31 2024
    On 12/11/2024 2:17 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:25:26 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 12/9/2024 10:55 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 16:29:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    "Nigger" is offensive irregardless of the ethnicity of the speaker. No
    sane non-racist should think anybody gets a free pass on naughty
    words.

    But, afaics, blacks speaking of blacks use 'nigger' play-offensively
    ...much like we might use "sonofabitch".

    I know that but remain offended when I hear it.

    And no question race of the speaker doesn't make it less racist. Sorry
    - no "Get out of Jail Free" card from here. When I hear it I usually
    say under my breath "stupid mother******"


    If I knew Mrs Goldstein's name was Goldstein I certainly wouldn't say
    "Merry Christmas" - but then I deliberately avoid awkwardness while
    recognizing I might occasionally put my foot in it out of ignorance.

    Afaik, insult always involves intent. I never understand claims to the
    contrary.

    So if I'm not intending to insult you it's no damage no foul? Uh - I
    don't want to test that in Watts.

    No, there might be *loads* of damage. There's just no insult.



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