• "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking C

    From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 19:29:39 2026
    Subject: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Lynn


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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 22:07:23 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/21/2026 8:29 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks- massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books.ÿ They got caught this time.

    Lynn


    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    pt

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 20:29:32 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/21/2026 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 4/21/2026 8:29 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking
    Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-
    massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in
    mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books.ÿ They got caught this time.

    Lynn


    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Ah, so Lynn isn't against general yanking of books by Amazon, just the
    MAGA propaganda books. Thank you.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Sn!pe@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 04:33:25 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2026 8:29 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks- massive-backlash/

    "Amazon's removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail's 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market."

    "The decision affected Vauban Books' 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon's U.S. store in mid-April."

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Lynn


    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    pt


    Christopher Priest's 1972 novel predates that somewhat, see:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_for_a_Darkening_Island>

    "Afrims: The immigrants from Africa, who have been fleeing the state of
    turmoil on the continent that resulted from use of nuclear weapons and
    covert foreign intervention by major powers there."

    ISBN 0-571-09794-4, it's still available from Amazon.

    --
    ^?^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. My pet rock Gordon just is.


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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 07:03:19 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:07:23 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of
    Western civilization through Third World mass immigration to France
    and the Western world. "

    I can understand that those who conflate ?Western civilization? with ?civilization? might get their knickers in a twist over this ...

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  • From Charles Packer@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 07:37:41 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:03:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:07:23 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western
    civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    I can understand that those who conflate ?Western civilization? with ?civilization? might get their knickers in a twist over this ...

    Not to mention those who conflate civilization with France...

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 09:35:26 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    Verily, in article <10s9fap$1vfa8$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:
    On 4/21/2026 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Ah, so Lynn isn't against general yanking of books by Amazon, just the
    MAGA propaganda books. Thank you.

    I saw no such implication.

    If the book is from 1973, it can't stem from MAGA. MAGA didn't exist
    until 2015.

    --
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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 09:04:41 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 19:29:39 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking >Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive -backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973
    novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among >publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement >consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition
    of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in

    mid-April.?

    You mean this one? <https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Saints-Jean-Raspail/dp/B0FG4MJS8K/ref=tmm_ pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.SEV6bW-AK1w hWoStrXMkqmCgzNmMbF9i_lePO1fvaCboAuqLEk93maN6JoOlODf8W5UnI-bw-i3ynQTUNGjs n-zBr88pnoRpzPjufgBKmcGfMfhgi6jalCxIWo2BErja6scIhkX_24Q8SY2TcHlBWHEO2RqnW iR9QYNue6KkkRq9T_Oo4jK8TejmYgdvhVVC9PS5NdRVSZkyHNpNTqK9yteKsbijE-iaXDQBry oli88.ygkHkzuv0knIZWMwyLoqnjZI8Q-Ys7biU1rFoUqdEtE&qid=1776873916&sr=8

    It is marked "#1 Best Seller in Immigration Fiction" and you can have
    a copy of the /paperback/ Vauban for $24.95 (plus tax, shipping,
    whatever).

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Well, no, they didn't.

    Unless they took it down and then put it back up again, both in
    mid-April 2026.

    Reality checks can be useful, you know.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 09:06:58 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:07:23 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snippo: alleged Amazon takedown>

    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western >civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    I'm afraid taking down France is not the same as taking down Western Civilization.

    The French, of course, would regard it as such, but that is because
    they are -- French.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 09:08:55 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 09:35:26 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10s9fap$1vfa8$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:
    On 4/21/2026 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of
    Western
    civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Ah, so Lynn isn't against general yanking of books by Amazon, just the

    MAGA propaganda books. Thank you.

    I saw no such implication.

    If the book is from 1973, it can't stem from MAGA. MAGA didn't exist
    until 2015.

    The attitude existed, and had for some time.

    The name didn't exist until Trump promised to Make America Grovel
    Again. A promise he has kept!
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 09:25:54 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"


    On 4/22/26 06:35, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10s9fap$1vfa8$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:
    On 4/21/2026 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western
    civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Ah, so Lynn isn't against general yanking of books by Amazon, just the
    MAGA propaganda books. Thank you.

    I saw no such implication.

    If the book is from 1973, it can't stem from MAGA. MAGA didn't exist
    until 2015.


    But the people who would like to be MAGA have been with the USA
    since the beginning. Some of them fought in the Revolutionary War. Some
    of them fought in the Civil War which attempted to preserve human slavery,
    some stood aside to let the Black Codes stand and some of MAGA are the
    grand children of the "Paddy Rollers", the funded groups that tried to
    catch
    fleeing slaves and the KKK. We like every other large group of humans
    contain fools who blame their problems on other people and see the extension
    of human rights to all citizens born in the USA as problematic for their
    sector of the population.

    Some are quite poor and some are quite rich and want to be a lot
    richer so that they can afford to buy more politicians. When they have
    enough politicians they will cut wages to the bone, taxes to the bone
    and move workers into their waste streams. That is what the worst
    have done for quite a while now.

    So the censoring of books suits them very well no matter the subject and I recommend reading the "Iron Heel" by Jack London before that is
    pulled off the shelves by censoring idiots.

    All capital is the result of labor!

    bliss - as far to the left as Abraham Lincoln


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 13:09:07 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/21/2026 11:04 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <10s9fap$1vfa8$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 4/21/2026 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 4/21/2026 8:29 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking
    Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-
    massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of >>>> the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in >>>> mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books.ÿ They got caught this time.

    Lynn


    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western
    civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Ah, so Lynn isn't against general yanking of books by Amazon, just the
    MAGA propaganda books. Thank you.


    He didn't say any such thing.

    Thank you for the clarity.

    I am against Amazon pulling ANY books from their sales. If they want to
    be the #1 book dealer in the world then they cannot be discriminatory at
    all.

    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get
    the book back from me.

    Lynn


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 13:10:29 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/22/2026 11:04 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 19:29:39 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking
    Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in
    mid-April.?

    You mean this one? <https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Saints-Jean-Raspail/dp/B0FG4MJS8K/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.SEV6bW-AK1whWoStrXMkqmCgzNmMbF9i_lePO1fvaCboAuqLEk93maN6JoOlODf8W5UnI-bw-i3ynQTUNGjsn-zBr88pnoRpzPjufgBKmcGfMfhgi6jalCxIWo2BErja6scIhkX_24Q8SY2TcHlBWHEO2RqnWiR9QYNue6KkkRq9T_Oo4jK8TejmYgdvhVVC9PS5NdRVSZkyHNpNTqK9yteKsbijE-iaXDQBryoli88.ygkHkzuv0knIZWMwyLoqnjZI8Q-Ys7biU1rFoUqdEtE&qid=1776873916&sr=8-1>
    It is marked "#1 Best Seller in Immigration Fiction" and you can have
    a copy of the /paperback/ Vauban for $24.95 (plus tax, shipping,
    whatever).

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Well, no, they didn't.

    Unless they took it down and then put it back up again, both in
    mid-April 2026.

    Reality checks can be useful, you know.

    Looks like they changed their minds.

    Lynn


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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 18:25:36 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 4/22/2026 11:04 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 19:29:39 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking
    Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in
    mid-April.?

    You mean this one?
    <https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Saints-Jean-Raspail/dp/B0FG4MJS8K/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.SEV6bW-AK1whWoStrXMkqmCgzNmMbF9i_lePO1fvaCboAuqLEk93maN6JoOlODf8W5UnI-bw-i3ynQTUNGjsn-zBr88pnoRpzPjufgBKmcGfMfhgi6jalCxIWo2BErja6scIhkX_24Q8SY2TcHlBWHEO2RqnWiR9QYNue6KkkRq9T_Oo4jK8TejmYgdvhVVC9PS5NdRVSZkyHNpNTqK9yteKsbijE-iaXDQBryoli88.ygkHkzuv0knIZWMwyLoqnjZI8Q-Ys7biU1rFoUqdEtE&qid=1776873916&sr=8-1>
    It is marked "#1 Best Seller in Immigration Fiction" and you can have
    a copy of the /paperback/ Vauban for $24.95 (plus tax, shipping,
    whatever).

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Well, no, they didn't.

    Unless they took it down and then put it back up again, both in
    mid-April 2026.

    Reality checks can be useful, you know.

    Looks like they changed their minds.


    Or the original story from "resistthemainstream" was not factual.


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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 14:30:21 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    I'm afraid taking down France is not the same as taking down Western >Civilization.

    You wouldn't say that if you'd tried the pastry recipes in the Escoffier cookbook.

    The French, of course, would regard it as such, but that is because
    they are -- French.

    What is the use of civilization without beignets?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 14:38:52 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5
    @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get
    the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.

    --
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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 15:14:44 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/22/2026 1:30 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    I'm afraid taking down France is not the same as taking down Western
    Civilization.

    You wouldn't say that if you'd tried the pastry recipes in the Escoffier cookbook.

    The French, of course, would regard it as such, but that is because
    they are -- French.

    What is the use of civilization without beignets?
    --scott

    True dat. And crepes served from a truck by the Eiffel Tower.

    Lynn


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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 23:15:51 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-22, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"
    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Not as bad as GOP legislators making schools and libraries get rid of
    books they don't like.

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 23:28:56 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-22, The True Melissa wrote:

    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5 @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get
    the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.

    Oh, but they've remotely deleted books before, from Kindles. Quite
    notably, given at least one of the books was a certain dystopian novel
    by some Eric Arthur Blair...

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 23:40:17 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-22, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    So the censoring of books suits them very well no matter the subject and I recommend reading the "Iron Heel" by Jack London before that is
    pulled off the shelves by censoring idiots.

    Hmm... Jack London, never read anything by him (yet); is he the reporter portrayed shadowing GRC's Steele in Don Rosa's "Hearts of the Yukon"?

    --
    Nuno Silva

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 16:27:37 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"



    On 4/22/26 15:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-22, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    So the censoring of books suits them very well no matter the subject
    and I recommend reading the "Iron Heel" by Jack London before that is
    pulled off the shelves by censoring idiots.

    Hmm... Jack London, never read anything by him (yet); is he the reporter portrayed shadowing GRC's Steele in Don Rosa's "Hearts of the Yukon"?


    Never read or heard of that book before. He was a San Francisco Bay Area character and a prolific writer, as well as an oyster
    pirate(literally) and a rancher
    after he made enough money.

    The Iron Heel is a story about the repression of the people by the monied
    interests and the imposition of a fascist government. The iron heel is the metaphor for the power of the state smashing down on the people. Maybe
    the robots won't like it either.

    bliss

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 01:11:00 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-23, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 4/22/26 15:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-22, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    So the censoring of books suits them very well no matter the subject >>> and I recommend reading the "Iron Heel" by Jack London before that is
    pulled off the shelves by censoring idiots.

    Hmm... Jack London, never read anything by him (yet); is he the reporter
    portrayed shadowing GRC's Steele in Don Rosa's "Hearts of the Yukon"?


    Never read or heard of that book before.

    Not a book, but a comic book story - it's one of the additional chapters
    for "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck":

    <https://inducks.org/story.php?c=D+95044>

    <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuckChapter8C>

    And here's a bit with London: <https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEid5Rz0jRDYw-_o9qc5yNhhOI_SUefGTl_ZMMrK8AhLPyy15kRZRKiLbQ9-9JHQW8uDvZLQarLSFJNPw7Xwi_ibfCyaDDEnOOaVAI37zW_rkZb75KIH4P7E8fUzG8bRF8ZHf4a1IEluHl6-/s1600/hy03.jpg>


    He was a San
    Francisco Bay Area character and a prolific writer, as well as an
    oyster pirate(literally) and a rancher
    after he made enough money.

    The Iron Heel is a story about the repression of the people by the monied
    interests and the imposition of a fascist government. The iron heel is the metaphor for the power of the state smashing down on the people. Maybe
    the robots won't like it either.

    bliss

    --
    Nuno Silva

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 17:36:41 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/22/2026 6:35 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10s9fap$1vfa8$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:
    On 4/21/2026 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western
    civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Ah, so Lynn isn't against general yanking of books by Amazon, just the
    MAGA propaganda books. Thank you.

    I saw no such implication.

    If the book is from 1973, it can't stem from MAGA. MAGA didn't exist
    until 2015.

    MAGA is just the latest name for a political philosophy that dates back
    to before the pharaohs.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 20:43:50 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"



    On 4/22/26 17:11, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-23, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 4/22/26 15:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-22, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    So the censoring of books suits them very well no matter the subject >>>> and I recommend reading the "Iron Heel" by Jack London before that is
    pulled off the shelves by censoring idiots.

    Hmm... Jack London, never read anything by him (yet); is he the reporter >>> portrayed shadowing GRC's Steele in Don Rosa's "Hearts of the Yukon"?


    Never read or heard of that book before.

    Not a book, but a comic book story - it's one of the additional chapters
    for "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck":

    <https://inducks.org/story.php?c=D+95044>

    <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuckChapter8C>


    And here's a bit with London: <https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEid5Rz0jRDYw-_o9qc5yNhhOI_SUefGTl_ZMMrK8AhLPyy15kRZRKiLbQ9-9JHQW8uDvZLQarLSFJNPw7Xwi_ibfCyaDDEnOOaVAI37zW_rkZb75KIH4P7E8fUzG8bRF8ZHf4a1IEluHl6-/s1600/hy03.jpg>

    Might well be the London who was a writer but the very limited characterization
    of the character in the cartoon shown is too little to make a good
    guess. London
    did spend time in the Northern reaches and wrote some stories about it. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_London>



    He was a San
    Francisco Bay Area character and a prolific writer, as well as an
    oyster pirate(literally) and a rancher
    after he made enough money.

    The Iron Heel is a story about the repression of the people by the monied
    interests and the imposition of a fascist government. The iron heel is the >> metaphor for the power of the state smashing down on the people. Maybe
    the robots won't like it either.

    bliss


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 22 21:58:55 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    In article <10sbi38$2jdvs$2@dont-email.me>,
    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-04-22, The True Melissa wrote:

    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5 @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get >> the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.

    Oh, but they've remotely deleted books before, from Kindles. Quite
    notably, given at least one of the books was a certain dystopian novel
    by some Eric Arthur Blair...

    Wasn't that because the book was a pirated edition? Or am I thinking of
    a different incident?

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. -------------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 08:25:44 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 09:35:26 -0400, The True Melissa wrote:

    If the book is from 1973, it can't stem from MAGA. MAGA didn't exist
    until 2015.

    The John Birch Society did.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 08:26:40 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 15:14:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    And crepes served from a truck by the Eiffel Tower.

    Did the Eiffel Tower really serve crˆpes?!!!??

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 07:31:35 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    Verily, in article <10sbi38$2jdvs$2@dont-email.me>, did nunojsilva@invalid.invalid deliver unto us this message:
    Oh, but they've remotely deleted books before, from Kindles. Quite
    notably, given at least one of the books was a certain dystopian novel
    by some Eric Arthur Blair...


    Storage on the reader is not safe, at least not if wifi is turned on.
    Storage on my hard drive, on the other hand, is pretty safe.

    I've always kept my own copies of ebooks. I sideload them onto the
    reader when I want to read them. It's no harder to sideload than to
    download, and the vendor can't decide to take them away.

    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 08:35:11 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 13:09:07 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snippo Lynn is maligned without reason>

    I am against Amazon pulling ANY books from their sales. If they want to

    be the #1 book dealer in the world then they cannot be discriminatory at

    all.

    They once pulled a book aimed at child abusers, to give them tips on
    how to keep their victims as happy as possible.

    Are you /sure/ there are no books that should be pulled for reasons
    related to content?

    (They may have no choice in cases of copyright violation or other
    non-content defects.)

    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get
    the book back from me.

    That much is true.

    But I don't reread books very often any more. And, as a poster on
    another Usenet group reported when he graduated and moved on to the
    next step in his career (a post-doc position, IIRC):

    Books are evil. (Physical, printed books were meant.)

    This was a result of having to box a heck of a lot of them for the
    move.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 15:03:02 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/23/2026 12:58 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10sbi38$2jdvs$2@dont-email.me>,
    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-04-22, The True Melissa wrote:

    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5
    @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get >>>> the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.

    Oh, but they've remotely deleted books before, from Kindles. Quite
    notably, given at least one of the books was a certain dystopian novel
    by some Eric Arthur Blair...

    Wasn't that because the book was a pirated edition? Or am I thinking of
    a different incident?

    Yeah, '1964', back in 2009. 'MobilReference' did not have the right to
    sell it in the US. It was a copyright issue. Amazon has 'promised not to
    do it again'.

    pt


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 15:04:19 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/23/2026 3:26 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 15:14:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    And crepes served from a truck by the Eiffel Tower.

    Did the Eiffel Tower really serve crˆpes?!!!??

    A couple of enterprising guys, about a quarter mile away from the Eiffel Tower, just parked on the street next to a very wide sidewalk. We were walking back to our hotel about a mile away and stopped for a round of
    crepes. The third round made it supper.

    Lynn


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 23 20:18:59 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"



    On 4/23/26 19:02, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On 4/22/26 11:38 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5
    @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books.ÿ They cannot come get
    the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.


    If it is an Amazon ebook it is insecure.ÿ And since
    Amazon has a near monopoly on ebooks, unless
    someone is being exceptional, Amazon ebooks are
    meant by using the term "ebook".

    Every piece of promotional campaigns for "ebooks"
    acts as advertising for Amazon.

    Is Amazon supposed to be our "sciencey" future,
    as all journalists seem to say it is?


    Have you tried a Public Library?
    And ebooks are just one format.
    PDFs do fine for me. Otherwise well-used dead trees
    from the SFPublic Library and my apartment is full of dead
    trees reflecting my wide range of interests over the last 51
    years or so. I had stuff from before that but when I was
    broke i sold some of my best.

    bliss


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 08:09:49 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 24 Apr 2026 04:16:04 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <3DOdnTZg_4KVTXf0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 4/23/26 4:31 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10sbi38$2jdvs$2@dont-email.me>, did
    nunojsilva@invalid.invalid deliver unto us this message:
    Oh, but they've remotely deleted books before, from Kindles. Quite
    notably, given at least one of the books was a certain dystopian
    novel
    by some Eric Arthur Blair...


    Storage on the reader is not safe, at least not if wifi is turned on.
    Storage on my hard drive, on the other hand, is pretty safe.

    I've always kept my own copies of ebooks. I sideload them onto the
    reader when I want to read them. It's no harder to sideload than to
    download, and the vendor can't decide to take them away.

    If ebooks are encrypted, and you don't have the key,
    what good is it?



    Historically you can decrypt amazon azw & azw3 books with a Calibre
    plugin. Not sure about newer formats.

    I have not researched the issue, but the last time I actually looked
    at my Kindle I found a bunch of directories (with names possibly
    related to the books) with various files in them and no clear
    indication of where the books were (my memory now asserts that there
    were /two/ directories with different names apparently associated with
    the same title, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were not the case
    as it has been quite a while).

    It is possible that the books don't /have/ a file format as such but
    are downloaded in exploded form (as it were).
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 08:13:54 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 19:27:55 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/22/26 11:10 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/22/2026 11:04 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 19:29:39 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel,
    Sparking
    Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive- backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s
    1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions
    among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback
    edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S.
    store in
    mid-April.?

    You mean this one?

    <https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Saints-Jean-Raspail/dp/B0FG4MJS8K/ref=tmm_ pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.SEV6bW-AK1w hWoStrXMkqmCgzNmMbF9i_lePO1fvaCboAuqLEk93maN6JoOlODf8W5UnI-bw-i3ynQTUNGjs n-zBr88pnoRpzPjufgBKmcGfMfhgi6jalCxIWo2BErja6scIhkX_24Q8SY2TcHlBWHEO2RqnW iR9QYNue6KkkRq9T_Oo4jK8TejmYgdvhVVC9PS5NdRVSZkyHNpNTqK9yteKsbijE-iaXDQBry oli88.ygkHkzuv0knIZWMwyLoqnjZI8Q-Ys7biU1rFoUqdEtE&qid=1776873916&sr=8

    It is marked "#1 Best Seller in Immigration Fiction" and you can have
    a copy of the /paperback/ Vauban for $24.95 (plus tax, shipping,
    whatever).

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books.? They got caught this time.

    Well, no, they didn't.

    Unless they took it down and then put it back up again, both in
    mid-April 2026.

    Reality checks can be useful, you know.

    Looks like they changed their minds.

    Amazon does do shadow bans, making it impossible
    to find a book by search terms, yet not deleting
    the particular book; but that's not the case here.

    Shadow banned or not, when I was checking to see if certain LPs had
    made the transition to CD and (IIRC) some movies to DVD I found that
    using google and checking the line of offers frequently found items
    /on Amazon/ that Amazon's own search did not.

    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 08:15:42 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 19:38:16 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/22/26 3:15 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-22, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking
    Censorship Debate"
    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive- backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973
    novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback
    edition of
    the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store
    in
    mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Not as bad as GOP legislators making schools and libraries get rid of
    books they don't like.

    No, Amazon bans are much worse. Amazon bans for
    political reasons, and does it secretly; this affects
    most of the book market, as Amazon has an illegal
    monopoly position in the marketplace. "GOP bans"
    are like what you say, affecting specific children's
    schools and libraries, chiefly directed against porn.

    You mean, of course, "porn as defined by Republicans", which can
    include things not generally considered "porn" by anyone else.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 17:00:29 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
    In article <il1nuk9rn3ieb3tedjc34d0vo8kgsdm98i@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On 24 Apr 2026 04:16:04 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:


    Winter s Demon Vesik Book 3-asin_B00KZXH456-type_EBOK-v_0.azw
    A Kingdom of Glass A Novel of Th-asin_B06XC9X5R4-type_EBOK-v_0.azw3

    they have just recently announced that the Kindle Keyboard model will
    be de-supported next month, so I have to figure out an alternate model
    to sideload my books. I will first look at kindle-for-android and see
    if that stores something I can use.

    I've been very happy with the Kobo Clara HD. Easy to sideload;
    although you'll need to decrypt and convert from kindle format
    or find epub alternatives (e.g. alt.binaries.ebook).

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 15:33:24 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/24/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
    In article <il1nuk9rn3ieb3tedjc34d0vo8kgsdm98i@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On 24 Apr 2026 04:16:04 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:


    Winter s Demon Vesik Book 3-asin_B00KZXH456-type_EBOK-v_0.azw
    A Kingdom of Glass A Novel of Th-asin_B06XC9X5R4-type_EBOK-v_0.azw3

    they have just recently announced that the Kindle Keyboard model will
    be de-supported next month, so I have to figure out an alternate model
    to sideload my books. I will first look at kindle-for-android and see
    if that stores something I can use.

    I've been very happy with the Kobo Clara HD. Easy to sideload;
    although you'll need to decrypt and convert from kindle format
    or find epub alternatives (e.g. alt.binaries.ebook).

    Given that I have had the 1024 bit public / private key encryption
    broken in my software, breaking cryptography can be done with enough
    Chinese and Russian crackers playing with it. All they need is somebody pushing for it.

    Lynn


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 23:11:34 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-24, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On 4/22/26 11:38 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5
    @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books. They cannot come get
    the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.


    If it is an Amazon ebook it is insecure. And since
    Amazon has a near monopoly on ebooks, unless
    someone is being exceptional, Amazon ebooks are
    meant by using the term "ebook".

    Every piece of promotional campaigns for "ebooks"
    acts as advertising for Amazon.

    This doesn't make much sense, I can think of a lot of technologies that
    provide electronic books other than whatever Amazon has, software and
    hardware.

    Most notably, at least among those here who are into the unix and/or the
    linux fields, the online manual.

    (Well, in recent times, I guess ebook might be sometimes used as a
    synonym for epub and similar formats on the software side.)


    Is Amazon supposed to be our "sciencey" future,
    as all journalists seem to say it is?

    No.

    This is a summarized version of my reply, the full reply is available as
    a GNU info manual.

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 23:18:35 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-24, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 4/23/26 19:02, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On 4/22/26 11:38 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10sb2s3$2etbs$1@dont-email.me>, did lynnmcguire5
    @gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
    This is another reason why I buy dead tree books.ÿ They cannot come get >>>> the book back from me.



    True, but deleting a book from my hard drive would also be difficult.
    The dangerous part is "storing" the book on Amazon.


    If it is an Amazon ebook it is insecure.ÿ And since
    Amazon has a near monopoly on ebooks, unless
    someone is being exceptional, Amazon ebooks are
    meant by using the term "ebook".

    Every piece of promotional campaigns for "ebooks"
    acts as advertising for Amazon.

    Is Amazon supposed to be our "sciencey" future,
    as all journalists seem to say it is?


    Have you tried a Public Library?
    And ebooks are just one format.
    PDFs do fine for me. Otherwise well-used dead trees
    from the SFPublic Library and my apartment is full of dead
    trees reflecting my wide range of interests over the last 51
    years or so. I had stuff from before that but when I was
    broke i sold some of my best.

    bliss


    I'd think the key limiting factor would have been e-ink patents, which I
    think may have lapsed already? But at least some time ago it limited availability of e-book reading hardware, or at least I seem to recall
    reading that assessment.

    Even then, if you don't require e-ink, uh, e.g. android devices can
    pretty much be used for e-reading, although screen dimensions may be
    less than ideal in some cases. As an example, KOReader, possibly more
    intended for e-ink displays, can also run on Android with a non-e-ink touchscreen.

    But I've done my share of reading in dead tree format, and will continue
    to do so, especially given there is legal deposit, and thus there's a
    public library network around here which is bound to have at least one
    copy of every book published - barring the book getting damaged or disappearing, of course.


    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 23:26:30 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-24, Paul S Person wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 19:38:16 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/22/26 3:15 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-22, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking
    Censorship Debate"
    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks-massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973 novel
    The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major online
    platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising questions among
    publishers and commentators about content standards, enforcement
    consistency, and the growing influence of digital gatekeepers in the
    book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition of >>>> the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s U.S. store in >>>> mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books. They got caught this time.

    Not as bad as GOP legislators making schools and libraries get rid of
    books they don't like.

    No, Amazon bans are much worse. Amazon bans for
    political reasons, and does it secretly; this affects
    most of the book market, as Amazon has an illegal
    monopoly position in the marketplace. "GOP bans"
    are like what you say, affecting specific children's
    schools and libraries, chiefly directed against porn.

    You mean, of course, "porn as defined by Republicans", which can
    include things not generally considered "porn" by anyone else.

    This truly is the first time I see the GOP book banning described as
    targeted at porn, whatever definition they use for "porn".

    Until today, I think I had always seen it applied to books that covered
    or mentioned topics the GOP decided to regard as "political".


    ®Miskatonic University regrets to inform that, due to bans imposed by GOP legislators, there is only one book available in our collection.¯

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 24 23:28:26 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 2026-04-24, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On 4/21/26 7:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 4/21/2026 8:29 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel,
    Sparking Censorship Debate"

    https://resistthemainstream.com/controversial-amazon-move-sparks- massive-backlash/

    ?Amazon?s removal of paperback listings for Jean Raspail?s 1973
    novel The Camp of the Saints has reignited debate over how major
    online platforms handle politically sensitive books, raising
    questions among publishers and commentators about content
    standards, enforcement consistency, and the growing influence of
    digital gatekeepers in the book market.?

    ?The decision affected Vauban Books? 2025 English paperback edition
    of the novel, which was reportedly taken down from Amazon?s
    U.S. store in mid-April.?

    Yup, Amazon shadow bans books.ÿ They got caught this time.

    In case you're wondering what the offense is, from Wikipedia:

    "A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western
    civilization through Third World mass immigration to France and the
    Western world. "

    Wikipedia gives an inaccurate plot line. Actually the novel
    is about the white response to illegal mass immigration to
    France, which is overwhelming support. Some of the immigrants
    are criminals but they are mostly ciphers in the book.

    Barnes And Noble also appears to follow Amazon's ban lists,
    so nothing banned on Amazon is allowed at B&N.

    When Amazon usually bans a book they delete every mention
    of the book, including all reviews, not just halt sales.
    That's not the case here.

    How does Barnes And Noble manage to follow a list of *shadow*-banned
    books?

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 25 04:43:28 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 15:33:24 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Given that I have had the 1024 bit public / private key encryption
    broken in my software ...

    You *do* realize, 1024 bits was considered inadequate back sometime in
    the previous century, don?t you?

    <https://people.willamette.edu/~mjaneba/rsa129.html>

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 25 00:31:54 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/24/2026 11:43 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 15:33:24 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Given that I have had the 1024 bit public / private key encryption
    broken in my software ...

    You *do* realize, 1024 bits was considered inadequate back sometime in
    the previous century, don?t you?

    <https://people.willamette.edu/~mjaneba/rsa129.html>

    The crackers did not crack the 1024 bit public key / private key
    encryption in my software. In fact, one of them actually sent me an
    email about how hard it was to crack. Instead, they managed to find the public key in my software and replace it with their own public key for supplying their own passwords with their own private keys. That path
    will not happen again.

    Lynn


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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 25 05:54:25 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 00:31:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Instead, they managed to find the public key in my software and
    replace it with their own public key for supplying their own
    passwords with their own private keys. That path will not happen
    again.

    Security-through-obscurity, eh?

    Yes, that will happen again.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 25 01:28:40 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On 4/25/2026 12:54 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 00:31:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Instead, they managed to find the public key in my software and
    replace it with their own public key for supplying their own
    passwords with their own private keys. That path will not happen
    again.

    Security-through-obscurity, eh?

    Yes, that will happen again.

    Isn't all cryptography just obscurity ?

    Lynn


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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 25 09:38:45 2026
    Subject: Re: "Amazon Pulls Paperback Edition of Controversial 1973 Novel, Sparking Censorship Debate"

    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 01:28:40 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Isn't all cryptography just obscurity ?

    No.

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