Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from >radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular Starlink Satellites?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launch-15k-cellular-starlink-satellites
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:Starlink
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launc h-15k-cellular-starlink-satellitesSatellites?
from
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range
re-entryradio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the >inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was
just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink
fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in
every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and
other stuff into the atmosphere.
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 11:40:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular Starlink
Satellites?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launch-15k-cellular-starlink-satellites
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from >>> radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the
inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was
just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink
fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in re-entry >> every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and
other stuff into the atmosphere.
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use? Instead of trying to
keep plants that are mothballed and/or nonfunctional due to equipment problems in operation?
Why would the locals have to pay for that electricity rather than the
server farm?
On 1/7/2026 12:52 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 11:40:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber
<als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular Starlink >>>> Satellites?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launch-15k-cellular-starlink-satellites
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from >>>> radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the
inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was
just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink
fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in re-entry >>> every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and
other stuff into the atmosphere.
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use? Instead of trying to
keep plants that are mothballed and/or nonfunctional due to equipment
problems in operation?
Why would the locals have to pay for that electricity rather than the
server farm?
The (non melty) reactor at Three Mile Island is being recommissioned
to supply power for Microsoft.
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/7/2026 12:52 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 11:40:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber
<als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular Starlink >>>>> Satellites?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launch-15k-cellular-starlink-satellites
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from >>>>> radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the
inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was >>>> just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink >>>> fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in re-entry >>>> every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and >>>> other stuff into the atmosphere.
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use? Instead of trying to
keep plants that are mothballed and/or nonfunctional due to equipment
problems in operation?
Why would the locals have to pay for that electricity rather than the
server farm?
Because the power company gives big discounts to big power users and
the costs to add new transmission lines and generation capacity
is charged to all users, not the data center. Which also often
gets a property tax break from the local county/city, under the
mistaken assumption that a significant number of long-term jobs
will be created.
The (non melty) reactor at Three Mile Island is being recommissioned
to supply power for Microsoft.
The state of California has also extended the life of Diablo Canyon.
Too bad they closed San Onofre rather than just fixing the
replacement steam generator.
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 11:40:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber
<als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular Starlink
Satellites?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launch-15k-cellular-starlink-satellites
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from >>> radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the >>inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was
just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink >>fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in re-entry >>every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and >>other stuff into the atmosphere.
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was
just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink
fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in re-entry every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and
other stuff into the atmosphere.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 11:40:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber
<als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular Starlink >>>> Satellites?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launch-15k-cellular-starlink-satellites
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range from >>>> radio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the
inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was
just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the Starlink
fleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in re-entry >>> every day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics and
other stuff into the atmosphere.
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Private profits and public costs is very much a classic approach, yes.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
There seems to be an increasing amount of "no datacenters in our
area!" pushback, as people start to realize what those are likely
going to cost them.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing
those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal.
On 1/7/2026 12:52 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use? Instead of trying to
keep plants that are mothballed and/or nonfunctional due to equipment
problems in operation?
Why would the locals have to pay for that electricity rather than the
server farm?
The (non melty) reactor at Three Mile Island is being recommissioned
to supply power for Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_Nuclear_Generating_Stati on#Reopening_and_Microsoft_partnership
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:Starlink
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 11:40:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber >><als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
?SpaceX Faces More Pushback Over Plans to Launch 15K Cellular
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-faces-more-pushback-over-plans-to-launc h-15k-cellular-starlink-satellitesSatellites?
from
?Concerns from rivals like Viasat and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin range
Starlinkradio interference and orbital dominance to potentially harming the
Earth's atmosphere.?
Wow, are the satellites gonna burn up the atmosphere ?
Well, not _the_ atmosphere, but burning up _in_ the atmosphere on the >>>inevitable fiery re-entry. That wasn't much of a problem when that was >>>just happening every once in a while, but with the size of the
re-entryfleet and their service life, they have 1-2 satellites burn up in
andevery day, injecting a lovely collection of burned metals, plastics
other stuff into the atmosphere.
This is beginning to resemble the classic cases of externalizing costs
so someone else can pay them.
Private profits and public costs is very much a classic approach, yes.
Which is what industrial pollution of air and water is all about:
getting rid of the leftovers at the expense of the neighbors. And now,
in some cases, server farms: requiring local power systems to build
new capacity, which the local yokels pay for but the server farms use.
There seems to be an increasing amount of "no datacenters in our
area!" pushback, as people start to realize what those are likely
going to cost them.
If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing
those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal.
On 1/7/2026 1:34 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
whales!"Hence why he is killing renewable energy projects. "Windmills killIf D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing
those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal.
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 18:05:10 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/7/2026 1:34 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
<snippo>
Hence why he is killing renewable energy projects. "Windmills kill whales!"If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing
those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal.
As if D Trump ever cared about whales.
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an >eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
In article <g9pvlk9bo4952tun1utdfdf9vph6ga41kt@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 18:05:10 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/7/2026 1:34 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
<snippo>
Hence why he is killing renewable energy projects. "Windmills kill whales!"If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning >>>>> power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing >>>> those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal. >>>>
As if D Trump ever cared about whales.
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an
eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
I think I first saw that proposed for SPS rectenna farms, but the
motive may have been less eco-friendly and more to convince people
the SPS microwave beams weren't death rays.
On 1/8/2026 12:57 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <g9pvlk9bo4952tun1utdfdf9vph6ga41kt@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 18:05:10 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/7/2026 1:34 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
<snippo>
Hence why he is killing renewable energy projects. "Windmills kill >whales!"If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning >>>>>> power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing >>>>> those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal. >>>>>
As if D Trump ever cared about whales.
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an
eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
I think I first saw that proposed for SPS rectenna farms, but the
motive may have been less eco-friendly and more to convince people
the SPS microwave beams weren't death rays.
I've been hearing about sheep in solar farms, but not cattle up to
this point.
It apparently works pretty well. The sheep get shelter from sun
and rain, and keep the grass mowed under the panels.
I imagine that raising them high enough for cattle might make
maintenance harder.
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an >eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an
eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
This depends on the area and climate. But there are places where this
is true.
There are even shade-loving crops that can be planted under the solar
panels, but planting and harvesting is more difficult and has to be
done by hand. Not a problem for coffee, if you are fortunate to live
in a place where coffee can grow.
--scott
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 18:05:10 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/7/2026 1:34 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
<snippo>
Hence why he is killing renewable energy projects. "Windmills kill whales!"If D Trump is so convinced that Coal is the Future of Energy, why
doesn't he require each and every server farm to build a coal-burning
power plant at its own expense for its own use?
Please, lets not give them ideas to build _more_ coal fired power
plants! Although the iron hand of the market has been busily squeezing
those out of service, with renewables becoming ever cheaper than coal.
As if D Trump ever cared about whales.
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that
offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that
offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and systems.
They ate my friend's toyota.
On 1/8/26 16:57, Scott Dorsey wrote:lease
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can
andit again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems
operationsmay even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an
eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
This depends on the area and climate. But there are places where this
is true.
There are even shade-loving crops that can be planted under the solar
panels, but planting and harvesting is more difficult and has to be
done by hand. Not a problem for coffee, if you are fortunate to live
in a place where coffee can grow.
--scott
If you do not live in a climate where a crop can grow you can make the
solar panels the top of your green house and control the climate with
the power the
panels will generate. Already on various TV, probably videos, shown in
the SF
Bay Area i have seen not only the sheep grazing but large produce
and proper support and position of the panels would permit harvestinghard
ware to operate and perhaps the panels could provide power for such a >system.employment
Great work though using somewhat reduced function robots to do manual >harvesting but maybe we are better off waiting until we can get
for the people employed in that capacity.
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that
offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and systems.
They ate my friend's toyota.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Meanwhile, it appears that solar panel farms are a bonanza to the
owner: not only can they lease the land for the panels, they can lease
it again for grazing. Cows and sheep, apparently, have no problems and
may even prefer being under the panels. (Warning: this is from an
eco-friendly news service and may be a wee bit biased.)
This depends on the area and climate. But there are places where this
is true.
There are even shade-loving crops that can be planted under the solar
panels, but planting and harvesting is more difficult and has to be
done by hand. Not a problem for coffee, if you are fortunate to live
in a place where coffee can grow.
--scott
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 09:36:31 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar=20 >>>>panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that=20 >>>offers foot holds. Esp young goats. =20
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and systems. >>They ate my friend's toyota.
Just for the record:
1. I don't recall goats being mentioned in this context, except (of
course) here. Not that I doubt that they behave as indicated.
2. I'm not sure I actually read anything about cows. It is entirely
possible that I only read about sheep.
In article <10jr3pf$fj7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that
offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and systems.
They ate my friend's toyota.
My brother didn't mention that as a problem but I do remember a goat
I had as a kid occasionally ripping fur off the St Bernard to see if
it was edible. And once, eating the shift off another brother while he
slept.
In article <10jr3pf$fj7$1@panix2.panix.com>,systems.
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that >>>offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and
They ate my friend's toyota.
My brother didn't mention that as a problem but I do remember a goat
I had as a kid occasionally ripping fur off the St Bernard to see if
it was edible. And once, eating the shift off another brother while he
slept.
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 17:16:42 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <10jr3pf$fj7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that
offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and systems. >>> They ate my friend's toyota.
My brother didn't mention that as a problem but I do remember a goat
I had as a kid occasionally ripping fur off the St Bernard to see if
it was edible. And once, eating the shift off another brother while he
slept.
Goats in cartoons, of course, are infamous for eating tin cans. Among
other unlikely things.
Since most kids (I should think) see those cartoons, it can be (I
would think) hard to distinguish cartoon goat behavior from real goat behavior. I certainly have no direct knowledge of real goats in
proximity to tin cans.
On 1/10/26 09:12, Paul S Person wrote:systems.
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 17:16:42 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <10jr3pf$fj7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that
offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and
heThey ate my friend's toyota.
My brother didn't mention that as a problem but I do remember a goat
I had as a kid occasionally ripping fur off the St Bernard to see if
it was edible. And once, eating the shift off another brother while
slept.
Goats in cartoons, of course, are infamous for eating tin cans. Among
other unlikely things.
Not the cans but the labels from the cans.
--Since most kids (I should think) see those cartoons, it can be (I
would think) hard to distinguish cartoon goat behavior from real goat
behavior. I certainly have no direct knowledge of real goats in
proximity to tin cans.
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 15:51:52 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 1/10/26 09:12, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 17:16:42 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <10jr3pf$fj7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I suddenly wonder how my brother keeps his goats off his solar
panels. Goats love to climb.
Asked and yeah, goats will if possible clamper onto any array that >>>>>> offers foot holds. Esp young goats.
I can't believe goats won't eat major parts of solar panels and systems. >>>>> They ate my friend's toyota.
My brother didn't mention that as a problem but I do remember a goat
I had as a kid occasionally ripping fur off the St Bernard to see if
it was edible. And once, eating the shift off another brother while he >>>> slept.
Goats in cartoons, of course, are infamous for eating tin cans. Among
other unlikely things.
Not the cans but the labels from the cans.
I'm pretty sure I've seen cartoons with goats eating cans.
The reality may be as you say.
Since most kids (I should think) see those cartoons, it can be (I
would think) hard to distinguish cartoon goat behavior from real goat
behavior. I certainly have no direct knowledge of real goats in
proximity to tin cans.
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