• Re: (Tears) Space Skimmer by David Gerrold

    From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Sun Dec 7 09:03:09 2025
    On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 13:54:35 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Space Skimmer by David Gerrold

    Who killed the empire? More importantly, what does it take to get
    men to process their emotions?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/more

    I enjoyed it when I read it. Early Gerrold, even when (as you note) it
    is rather straightforward, is better than Late Gerrold.

    And, yes, this is one of the books which are Book One of a One Book
    Series. There are others. How Gerrold feels about this I have no idea.

    When reached the end, I found myself wanting more -- more details on
    how the Empire ended. And whether it can be rebuilt, based on Skimmers
    rather than the old slower trading system.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Sun Dec 7 21:40:59 2025
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Space Skimmer by David Gerrold

    Who killed the empire? More importantly, what does it take to get
    men to process their emotions?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/more

    The book also led me to contemplate a question about
    social organization: what are empires for? What good
    do they do? Who do they do it for?

    Human herd instinct culminates in empires. The instinct's implicit irrationalism is similar to drunken behavior. Both defy rationalization.
    This is where WAR AND PEACE comes in handy. Tolstoy more or less
    advises against overthinking [1] cultural currents. Instead, it's
    imperative to accept and adapt to an ambiguous social reality as it
    evolves from moment to moment. CITADEL by Budrys says it this way:

    "Ud Klavan," he said, "you are quite right. We are a race of
    maniacs. And that is why Earthmen rule the galaxy. For our
    treaties are not binding, and our promises are worthless. Our
    government does not represent our people. It represents our
    people as they once were. The delay in the democratic process
    is such that the treaty signed today fulfills the promise of
    yesterday-but today the Body Politic has formed a new opinion,
    is following a new logic which is completely at variance with
    that of yesterday. An Earthman's promise-expressed in words or
    deeds-is good only at the instant he makes it. A second later,
    new factors have entered into the total circumstances, and a
    new chain of logic has formed in his head-to be altered again,
    a few seconds later."

    Note.

    [1] Something in my manner may move proximate people to mention
    "overthink" on occasion as they converse with me.

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |


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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/10 to All on Mon Dec 8 14:01:07 2025
    In article <ifcbjk9t099ecje24t2m23t99av79acg97@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 13:54:35 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Space Skimmer by David Gerrold

    Who killed the empire? More importantly, what does it take to get
    men to process their emotions?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/more

    I enjoyed it when I read it. Early Gerrold, even when (as you note) it
    is rather straightforward, is better than Late Gerrold.

    And, yes, this is one of the books which are Book One of a One Book
    Series. There are others. How Gerrold feels about this I have no idea.

    When reached the end, I found myself wanting more -- more details on
    how the Empire ended. And whether it can be rebuilt, based on Skimmers
    rather than the old slower trading system.

    The book doesn't make a strong case that the empire was much more
    than a postal service and a protection racket.

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Mon Dec 8 08:54:36 2025
    On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 14:01:07 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <ifcbjk9t099ecje24t2m23t99av79acg97@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 13:54:35 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Space Skimmer by David Gerrold

    Who killed the empire? More importantly, what does it take to get
    men to process their emotions?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/more

    I enjoyed it when I read it. Early Gerrold, even when (as you note) it
    is rather straightforward, is better than Late Gerrold.

    And, yes, this is one of the books which are Book One of a One Book
    Series. There are others. How Gerrold feels about this I have no idea.

    When reached the end, I found myself wanting more -- more details on
    how the Empire ended. And whether it can be rebuilt, based on Skimmers >>rather than the old slower trading system.

    The book doesn't make a strong case that the empire was much more
    than a postal service and a protection racket.

    Fair enough. I thought of the East India Trading Company as a possible real-world model.

    After writing the above, I realized something else: as with /Buzz
    Lightyear of Star Command: The Adventure Begins/, this is about the
    formation of a team. In the case of Buzz Lightyear, per online info, a
    two-year TV series then documented the adventures of that team.

    So, when /Space Skimmer/ ended, I was eager, now that the team was
    assembled, to find out what they did next. But it was not to be, as
    far as I can tell.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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