• Physics study inspired by Niven's "The Hole Man"

    From Tony Nance@3:633/10 to All on Sat Nov 22 06:21:56 2025

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to
    answer that"

    https://phys.org/news/2025-11-small-black-hole-human-body.html

    A direct quote:
    " ... Plus, I remembered reading a science fiction story back in the
    1970s where someone dies from having a black hole pass through them ? I
    wanted to see if this would be possible."

    The published peer-reviewed paper is here https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0218271825410032

    And it does indeed cite Niven?s ?The Hole Man? (reference #17).
    Tony

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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sun Nov 23 16:39:25 2025
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> schrieb:

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to answer that"

    https://phys.org/news/2025-11-small-black-hole-human-body.html

    A direct quote:
    " ... Plus, I remembered reading a science fiction story back in the
    1970s where someone dies from having a black hole pass through them ? I wanted to see if this would be possible."

    The published peer-reviewed paper is here https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0218271825410032

    And it does indeed cite Niven?s ?The Hole Man? (reference #17).

    They did not cite Brin's "Earth"? Or was that dealt with by
    other papers?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Sun Nov 23 11:55:54 2025
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> schrieb:

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to answer that"

    WHOA! I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
    --scott

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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 24 16:17:05 2025
    Tony Nance wrote:

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to
    answer that"

    https://phys.org/news/2025-11-small-black-hole-human-body.html

    A direct quote:
    " ... Plus, I remembered reading a science fiction story back in the
    1970s where someone dies from having a black hole pass through them ? I wanted to see if this would be possible."

    The published peer-reviewed paper is here https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0218271825410032

    And it does indeed cite Niven?s ?The Hole Man? (reference #17).

    TIME AND TIME AGAIN by Finney manifests a methodology of mental time
    travel to the past. My mental machine to the past was primed with a hard
    copy of ANALOG Vol. 92, No. 5 (in keeping with the scientific style of
    the published peer-reviewed paper) grabbed from the shelf and read, not
    heard.

    The black hole in THE HOLE MAN originates with an alien artifact - a
    gravitonic communication device. Precedence does not imply provenance,
    but Moewig published PR 80 CAVES OF THE DRUUFS in 1963. In this
    installment Perry Rhodan uses an alien gravitational generator to
    "temporally [vary] gravitation fields" and thereby send an S O S signal
    to the Solar Imperium.
    Nivenian stories sometimes speculate about titanic tidal forces.
    THE HOLE MAN is such a story. The storied short ceilings bring to mind
    the Tower of London's "Little Ease," one of many tortures inflicted upon Jesuits by the Crown.

    Disclaimer: As of late, a growing mass of quantum questions create
    qualms about the credibility of the construct called a black hole. A
    favorite dissenter on Bohrs group thought is ?lvaro Balsas at the
    Catholic University of Portugal who co-wrote TRUTH BY FIAT: THE
    COPENHAGEN INTERPRETATION OF QUANTUM MECHANICS.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 24 15:16:46 2025


    On 11/24/25 08:17, Don wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to
    answer that"

    https://phys.org/news/2025-11-small-black-hole-human-body.html

    A direct quote:
    " ... Plus, I remembered reading a science fiction story back in the
    1970s where someone dies from having a black hole pass through them ? I
    wanted to see if this would be possible."

    The published peer-reviewed paper is here
    https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0218271825410032

    And it does indeed cite Niven?s ?The Hole Man? (reference #17).

    TIME AND TIME AGAIN by Finney manifests a methodology of mental time
    travel to the past. My mental machine to the past was primed with a hard
    copy of ANALOG Vol. 92, No. 5 (in keeping with the scientific style of
    the published peer-reviewed paper) grabbed from the shelf and read, not heard.

    Lovecraft did it earlier with mental time and space travel of his characters
    to the world of ancient endless libraries and I believe to a few other unlikely
    places.


    The black hole in THE HOLE MAN originates with an alien artifact - a gravitonic communication device. Precedence does not imply provenance,
    but Moewig published PR 80 CAVES OF THE DRUUFS in 1963. In this
    installment Perry Rhodan uses an alien gravitational generator to
    "temporally [vary] gravitation fields" and thereby send an S O S signal
    to the Solar Imperium.
    Nivenian stories sometimes speculate about titanic tidal forces.
    THE HOLE MAN is such a story. The storied short ceilings bring to mind
    the Tower of London's "Little Ease," one of many tortures inflicted upon Jesuits by the Crown.

    Disclaimer: As of late, a growing mass of quantum questions create
    qualms about the credibility of the construct called a black hole. A
    favorite dissenter on Bohrs group thought is ?lvaro Balsas at the
    Catholic University of Portugal who co-wrote TRUTH BY FIAT: THE
    COPENHAGEN INTERPRETATION OF QUANTUM MECHANICS.

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |


    bliss

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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 25 16:26:50 2025
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Don wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to
    answer that"

    https://phys.org/news/2025-11-small-black-hole-human-body.html

    A direct quote:
    " ... Plus, I remembered reading a science fiction story back in the
    1970s where someone dies from having a black hole pass through them ? I
    wanted to see if this would be possible."

    The published peer-reviewed paper is here
    https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0218271825410032

    And it does indeed cite Niven?s ?The Hole Man? (reference #17).

    TIME AND TIME AGAIN by Finney manifests a methodology of mental time
    travel to the past. My mental machine to the past was primed with a hard
    copy of ANALOG Vol. 92, No. 5 (in keeping with the scientific style of
    the published peer-reviewed paper) grabbed from the shelf and read, not
    heard.

    Lovecraft did it earlier with mental time and space travel of his characters
    to the world of ancient endless libraries and I believe to a few other unlikely
    places.

    Lovecraft's a mixed bag in my opinion. Poe's influence on Lovecraft is
    good. While Lovecraftian atheism, Cosmicism, and occultism leave a lot
    to be desired.
    THE SHADOW OUT OF TIME [1] seems to fit your description. It will
    get a hearing. (My literary laziness limits yesterday's intention to
    read words on a page to scratch my iconoclastic itch.)
    Sometimes my idiosyncratic, Baconian inspired, word play gets the
    better of me and comes out all stilted. Nahin's book on time
    travel, TIME MACHINES, says this:

    Transported one's self into the past either by means of
    psi-powers, as in "Psi-Man" (Dick), or by means of sheer
    willpower, as in /The Time Stream/ (Bell), /Time and Again/
    and /Time After Time/ (Finney), "The Ambiguities of Yesterday"
    (Eklund), and /Bid Time Return/ (Matheson), are also out.

    By "also out" Nahin means the enumerated stories do not qualify as
    belonging to the time machine genre. Ironically, from my perspective,
    the mind proves most effective in traveling to the past and the
    machine's mired in mere fantasy.
    Nahin's very thorough. It's a feather in your cap to augment the
    Nahin with a pertinent Lovecraftian story.

    Note.

    [1] <https://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks15/1500501h.html>
    <https://archive.org/details/lovecraft_the_shadow_out_of_time>

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    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 25 09:49:21 2025


    On 11/25/25 08:26, Don wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Don wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:

    The report/summary article is titled

    "What would a small black hole do to the human body? Scientist aims to >>>> answer that"

    https://phys.org/news/2025-11-small-black-hole-human-body.html

    A direct quote:
    " ... Plus, I remembered reading a science fiction story back in the
    1970s where someone dies from having a black hole pass through them ? I >>>> wanted to see if this would be possible."

    The published peer-reviewed paper is here
    https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0218271825410032

    And it does indeed cite Niven?s ?The Hole Man? (reference #17).

    TIME AND TIME AGAIN by Finney manifests a methodology of mental time
    travel to the past. My mental machine to the past was primed with a hard >>> copy of ANALOG Vol. 92, No. 5 (in keeping with the scientific style of
    the published peer-reviewed paper) grabbed from the shelf and read, not
    heard.

    Lovecraft did it earlier with mental time and space travel of his
    characters
    to the world of ancient endless libraries and I believe to a few other
    unlikely
    places.

    Lovecraft's a mixed bag in my opinion. Poe's influence on Lovecraft is
    good. While Lovecraftian atheism, Cosmicism, and occultism leave a lot
    to be desired.
    THE SHADOW OUT OF TIME [1] seems to fit your description. It will
    get a hearing. (My literary laziness limits yesterday's intention to
    read words on a page to scratch my iconoclastic itch.)
    Sometimes my idiosyncratic, Baconian inspired, word play gets the
    better of me and comes out all stilted. Nahin's book on time
    travel, TIME MACHINES, says this:

    Transported one's self into the past either by means of
    psi-powers, as in "Psi-Man" (Dick), or by means of sheer
    willpower, as in /The Time Stream/ (Bell), /Time and Again/
    and /Time After Time/ (Finney), "The Ambiguities of Yesterday"
    (Eklund), and /Bid Time Return/ (Matheson), are also out.

    By "also out" Nahin means the enumerated stories do not qualify as
    belonging to the time machine genre. Ironically, from my perspective,
    the mind proves most effective in traveling to the past and the
    machine's mired in mere fantasy.
    Nahin's very thorough. It's a feather in your cap to augment the
    Nahin with a pertinent Lovecraftian story.

    In the past I read Lovecraft because I had run out of other things
    to read. Right now we have a flowering of Speculative Fiction which makes
    it impossible to read everything which may be good.

    I did not used to think what I thought about what I read was worth
    the typing but after more than 35 years of working with personal computers
    I have gained some minor skill with the keyboard. I started reading manga
    and watching anime about 25 years back. I had to study various books
    about these arts and the meanings hidden in their rendition and started
    keeping track of the manga I had read and the anime I had watched.
    I have given up on serious interests in manga because like SF
    it is being produced faster than anyone can keep up with all of it.
    Also my studio apartment is full of books and no room left for more
    manga. As well as Trumpian inflation making it impossible to eat and
    to buy manga.


    Note.

    [1] <https://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks15/1500501h.html>
    <https://archive.org/details/lovecraft_the_shadow_out_of_time>

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |


    Food is a real life good thing. Lots of books including manga at the SFPL.

    bliss

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