On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.? Google switched the name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:name of
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.? Google switched the
Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'mthe Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away. That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to willwhere
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city
all people who honored all other people were honored.
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the name of >>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
And there will be a legend that it was created by Willie Brown and Diane Feinstein who were infant twins that were sent down from Sacramento in a rush boat, that it was the place where the computer was invented, and that
it was destroyed in a terrible earthquake in 1906 and nothing was left afterward. All that was left for posterity were the book "Trout Fishing In America" and the movie "The Maltese Falcon" to show us what the city was
like before the earthquake.
--scott
On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area.˙ Very little
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
of SF is very far above current sea level.˙ Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush.˙ If sea levels rise enough to fill the
California interior, SF will be underwater.
On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area.˙ Very little
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
of SF is very far above current sea level.˙ Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush.˙ If sea levels rise enough to fill the
California interior, SF will be underwater.
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the name of >>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).
pt
On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area.˙ Very little
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
of SF is very far above current sea level.˙ Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush.
On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area. Very little
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the name of >>>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
of SF is very far above current sea level. Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush. If sea levels rise enough to fill the
California interior, SF will be underwater.
On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where >>> all people who honored all other people were honored.
Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now,
since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).
pt
We do not yet have a Gulf of California
On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city
where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now,
since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).
pt
˙˙˙˙We do not yet have a Gulf of California and its coastline will be defined
in coming centuries. No one, not even I, can imagine the political
changes that
would result in the Gulf of Mexico being to the West of the Continent of North America. The State of Texas is closer to your description of the oncoming
inundation which will engulf the Texas low lands. And Texas was once a Mexican
province until stolen by the land pirates to have a land where black
chattel Slavery
would be protected forever.
˙˙˙˙That was part of the˙ original constitution of the Republic of
Texas before it
was joined to the rest of the USA.˙ Juneteenth is the celebration by
darker skinned
people and their allies of the overthrow of that constitutional provision.
˙˙˙˙Without that California would not have enjoyed the long tenure of Willie
Brown.
˙˙˙˙bliss
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.˙ Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
˙˙˙˙˙In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.˙ The Gulf of North >>>> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.˙ That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.˙ But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where >>>> all people who honored all other people were honored.
Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, >>> since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).
pt
We do not yet have a Gulf of California
Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.
On 12/15/25 08:16, Scott Lurndal wrote:the
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.? Google switched
allname of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered
I'mGiven how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent yearsfederal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
The Gulf of Northastonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
?????In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.?
ThatAmerica will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.?
islandswill be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The
eventuallyof San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.? But
wherethey to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city
now,all people who honored all other people were honored.
Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico"
Californiasince 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).
pt
We do not yet have a Gulf of California
Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.
And that is the business of Mexico not of the USA. It is not in
and they, the government of Mexico can call it whatever they like.
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 09:07:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/15/25 08:16, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.? Google switched the >>>>>>>> name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America
If you're in America.
Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).
?????In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.? The Gulf of North >>>>> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.? That >>>>> will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands >>>>> of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.? But eventually >>>>> they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city >>>>> where
all people who honored all other people were honored.
Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, >>>> since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).
pt
We do not yet have a Gulf of California
Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.
And that is the business of Mexico not of the USA. It is not in California
and they, the government of Mexico can call it whatever they like.
It was named after the California that Mexico once owned. Before the
USA took it over.
So it has historical associations. As does, of course, "Gulf of
Mexico". A lot of the coastline currently part of the USA used to be
part of Mexico. Or at least of Spain, of which Mexico was a
possession.
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