• ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 16:09:00 2025
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-bases-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive. Uses
    5% U-235. I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and installation.

    Of course, these are Shipstones. Heinlein fans will recognize the term.

    I wonder if these will be downsized enough so that I can buy a 20 kW
    unit for $100,000 for my home.

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Lynn


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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 21:32:08 2025
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-bases-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028, probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor
    Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army. Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost,
    and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat edge,
    Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/microreactor-pilot-reaches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy. It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses. He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-worrying-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235. I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and >installation.

    10 times that is more likely. Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about. While LEU doesn't have the proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 17:00:35 2025
    On 10/24/2025 4:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-bases-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028, probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor
    Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army. Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost,
    and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat edge,
    Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/microreactor-pilot-reaches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy. It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses. He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-worrying-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235. I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and
    installation.

    10 times that is more likely. Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about. While LEU doesn't have the proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.

    Your TDS is showing.

    Helium is not in short supply. I can buy cans of it at many stores for blowing up balloons.

    Lynn


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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 18:27:39 2025
    On Oct 24, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <10dgptd$2sfkb$1@dont-email.me>):

    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-bases-b
    y-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    Oh, really? Gee... I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is... I wonder what happens when He-4 gets hit with a proton. Or a neutron. Or even an election (a.k.a. a beta particle). There isn?t a lot of He-3 on Earth, but you
    REALLY want to keep protons and neutrons away.

    Uses
    5% U-235. I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and installation.

    I?m guessing at least five times that.


    Of course, these are Shipstones. Heinlein fans will recognize the term.

    I wonder if these will be downsized enough so that I can buy a 20 kW
    unit for $100,000 for my home.

    not going to happen. Long before economies of scale could kick in the no-nuke-kooks would shut the project down.


    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Lynn



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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 18:34:13 2025
    On Oct 24, 2025, Scott Lurndal wrote
    (in article <sfSKQ.1200021$Jgh9.154348@fx15.iad>):

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-bases
    -by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028, probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army. Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost,
    and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat edge,
    Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/microreactor-pilot-rea
    ches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy. It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses.

    this is a MAJOR problem.
    He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    another one.


    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-worrying-
    the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235. I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and installation.

    10 times that is more likely. Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about.

    the no-nuke-kooks vastly exaggerate this. The main danger from reactor-grade uranium/plutonium is that they?re heavt metals and therefore extremely
    toxic, and they also burn real good once you ignite them. Reactor-grade kicks mostly alphas. Alphas get stopped by a sheet of cardboard. You do want to
    keep heavy metals away from ground water.
    While LEU doesn't have the
    proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.



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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 18:37:05 2025
    On Oct 24, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <10dgsu4$2t6er$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 10/24/2025 4:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-base
    s-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028, probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army. Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost,
    and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat edge, Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/microreactor-pilot-r
    eaches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy. It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses. He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-worryin
    g-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235. I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and installation.

    10 times that is more likely. Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about. While LEU doesn't have the proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.

    Your TDS is showing.

    Nope.


    Helium is not in short supply.

    Actually, it is.
    I can buy cans of it at many stores for
    blowing up balloons.

    Ah... there?s a diff between small cans and tons of the stuff. This project would require tons of He-4.


    Lynn



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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 24 23:06:36 2025
    On 10/24/2025 6:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/24/2025 4:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?
    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-
    its-bases-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now.ÿ The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028,ÿ probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    ÿÿ "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    ÿÿÿ Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor
    ÿÿÿ Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    ÿÿÿ of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    ÿÿÿ nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    ÿÿÿ than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army.ÿ Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    ÿÿ "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    ÿÿÿ do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    ÿÿ "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost,
    ÿÿÿ and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat edge,
    ÿÿÿ Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    ÿÿ https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/
    microreactor-pilot-reaches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each.ÿ Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck.ÿ Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy.ÿ It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses.ÿ He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-
    worrying-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235.ÿ I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and
    installation.

    10 times that is more likely.ÿ Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about.ÿ While LEU doesn't have the
    proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.

    Your TDS is showing.

    Helium is not in short supply.ÿ I can buy cans of it at many stores for blowing up balloons.

    The price has tripled since 2018.

    pt

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 00:17:19 2025
    On 10/24/2025 10:06 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 10/24/2025 6:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/24/2025 4:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?
    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-
    its-bases-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now.ÿ The demo unit comes online in 2026 in
    Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028,ÿ probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    ÿÿ "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    ÿÿÿ Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor
    ÿÿÿ Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    ÿÿÿ of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    ÿÿÿ nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    ÿÿÿ than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army.ÿ Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    ÿÿ "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    ÿÿÿ do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    ÿÿ "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost, >>> ÿÿÿ and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat
    edge,
    ÿÿÿ Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    ÿÿ https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/
    microreactor-pilot-reaches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each.ÿ Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck.ÿ Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy.ÿ It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses.ÿ He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-
    worrying-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235.ÿ I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and
    installation.

    10 times that is more likely.ÿ Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about.ÿ While LEU doesn't have the
    proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.

    Your TDS is showing.

    Helium is not in short supply.ÿ I can buy cans of it at many stores
    for blowing up balloons.

    The price has tripled since 2018.

    pt

    Everything in the USA has doubled or tripled since 2018.

    Lynn


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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 07:55:53 2025
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:

    I wonder if these will be downsized enough so that I can buy a 20 kW
    unit for $100,000 for my home.

    That is not really economical, you need critical mass. Or, to
    phrase it in advertising language, "Laws of Physics might apply".

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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 07:58:20 2025
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through
    a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 07:09:27 2025
    On Oct 25, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10dhvus$35i3g$3@dont-email.me>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through
    a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

    Also known as He-4 nucleus. Alphas are the most common form of radioactivity.


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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 11:48:02 2025
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    On Oct 25, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10dhvus$35i3g$3@dont-email.me>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through
    a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

    Also known as He-4 nucleus. Alphas are the most common form of radioactivity.

    Why does it have to be bloody, though?
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 08:31:15 2025
    On 10/25/2025 4:48 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    On Oct 25, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10dhvus$35i3g$3@dont-email.me>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through
    a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

    Also known as He-4 nucleus. Alphas are the most common form of radioactivity.

    Why does it have to be bloody, though?

    Because it makes you bleed internally?

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    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 15:35:17 2025
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 10/24/2025 10:06 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 10/24/2025 6:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    1.2 MW each.ÿ Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck.ÿ Uses >>>>> helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy.ÿ It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses.ÿ He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are- >>>> worrying-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235.ÿ I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery and >>>>> installation.

    10 times that is more likely.ÿ Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about.ÿ While LEU doesn't have the
    proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.

    Your TDS is showing.

    Helium is not in short supply.ÿ I can buy cans of it at many stores
    for blowing up balloons.

    The price has tripled since 2018.

    pt

    Everything in the USA has doubled or tripled since 2018.

    Nonsense.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 09:13:11 2025


    On 10/25/25 08:31, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 10/25/2025 4:48 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    On Oct 25, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10dhvus$35i3g$3@dont-email.me>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through
    a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

    Also known as He-4 nucleus. Alphas are the most common form of
    radioactivity.

    Why does it have to be bloody, though?

    Because it makes you bleed internally?


    Only if you ingest it. Alpha particles being big and heavy as such things
    go are stopped by intact skin. Likely have to ingest it by hypodermic
    for it
    to get in the blood stream.
    I doubt it is the most common form of radioactivity since the Sun continues to shine. Cosmic and Gamma rays come in from outer space.
    Beta particles which are electrons are all over the place and neutrons
    are the particles that initiate nuclear fisssion and are also released
    in great quanities by fission reactions along with all the other elementary particles. Gamma rays are very high energy photons like X-rays.
    All of these can mess up the DNA if they get close to it.
    But try to avoid that.
    If you want to know what simple fission bombs can do read the
    graphic novel Barefoot Gen aka Gen of Hiroshima by a survivor or the
    bombing, who was in grade school when the bomb went off and he
    was largely sheilded by a stone wall but lost his hair. A teacher
    standing at the gate in the wall was apparently vaporized. This
    is a hard book to read even in graphic form but it is black and white
    so no red blood shown.
    The bomb at Hiroshima actually did not release the full energy
    of the fissionable material as it was a primitive design.
    If you prefer simple written material a good place to start is
    "Last Train From Hiroshima" and that train went to Nagasaki and the
    traveler arrived a bit after that bomb. That bomb was not on target
    and took out more of the residential than the military area.
    The fire bombing of major cities took out more people than
    the bombs I believe but if the Japanese Imperial authorities had
    been paying attention they would have quit earlier.

    bliss all that stuff happened around my 8th birthday.


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 09:19:25 2025
    On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 00:17:19 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/24/2025 10:06 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 10/24/2025 6:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/24/2025 4:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?
    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-

    its-bases-by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on
    local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now.? The demo unit comes online in 2026 in

    Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028,? probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    ?? "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    ??? Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear
    Reactor
    ??? Technologies for National Security,' which directs the
    Department
    ??? of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an
    Army-regulated
    ??? nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no
    later
    ??? than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army.? Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    ?? "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    ??? do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical
    application.'"

    ?? "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives
    up cost,
    ??? and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the
    combat
    edge,
    ??? Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB
    since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    ?? https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/
    microreactor-pilot-reaches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each.? Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck.?
    Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy.? It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses.? He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.


    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250331-why-helium-shortages-are-
    worrying-the-world

    Uses
    5% U-235.? I am guessing a cost of $25 million each plus delivery
    and
    installation.

    10 times that is more likely.? Then there are waste storage and
    disposal issues to be concerned about.? While LEU doesn't have the
    proliferation dangers that HEU does, the waste is still deadly.

    Your TDS is showing.

    Helium is not in short supply.? I can buy cans of it at many stores

    for blowing up balloons.

    The price has tripled since 2018.

    pt

    Everything in the USA has doubled or tripled since 2018.

    No.

    There has been some increase, but my periodic grocery shopping
    expeditions (on which I pretty much buy the same things each and every
    time) have gone from around $35 to around $40.

    Of course, I don't buy fresh eggs, which were notorious for high
    prices as recently as last year. But that was caused by massive
    killoffs of chickens to control bird flu, in accordance with the Law
    of Supply and Demand.

    Note that I have no idea what the price of Helium has been doing.
    --
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    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 09:25:54 2025
    On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 07:09:27 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
    wrote:

    On Oct 25, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10dhvus$35i3g$3@dont-email.me>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through
    a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

    Also known as He-4 nucleus. Alphas are the most common form of
    radioactivity.

    You know, when your post above finally appeared in Agent, I knew
    immediately what you were asking.

    I'm amazed nobody else figured it out.

    I'm not sure they have figured it out yet, either.
    --
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    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 14:38:13 2025
    On 10/24/2025 5:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Oct 24, 2025, Scott Lurndal wrote
    (in article <sfSKQ.1200021$Jgh9.154348@fx15.iad>):

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    ?Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028?

    https://www.twz.com/nuclear/army-to-bring-nuclear-microreactors-to-its-bases
    -by-2028

    ?The Army is highly concerned about its near total reliance on local
    power grids to energize its most critical installations.?

    Um, that is Real Soon Now. The demo unit comes online in 2026 in Idaho.

    Highly unlikely to happen by 2028, probably not until much later,
    if at all.

    "Janus is the Army's plan to realize President Orange Clown's
    Executive Order 14299, titled 'Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor
    Technologies for National Security,' which directs the Department
    of War[sic. Defense] to commence operation of an Army-regulated
    nuclear reactor at a domestic military installation no later
    than September 30, 2028."

    All they need to do to satisfy this requirement is to transfer
    control of one of the test reactors in Utah to the Army. Indeed,
    the plan you are touting is for reactors at domestic bases only.

    "While Pele is developmentally interesting, Waksman said, 'We
    do not at this time see nuclear power as a tactical application.'"

    "This is largely because tactical reactor development drives up cost,
    and there is currently no need for megawatt power at the combat edge,
    Waksman explained."

    The air force has been working on a micro reactor at Eilson AFB since
    2021, but haven't yet issued a contract to actually build it.

    https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4213214/microreactor-pilot-rea
    ches-major-project-milestone/


    1.2 MW each. Can be delivered on a skid by airplane or truck. Uses
    helium for the primary coolant which does not become radioactive.

    The He needs to be cooled, which costs energy. It also requires
    specialized (read expensive) piping to prevent losses.

    this is a MAJOR problem.
    He is
    actually rather scarce at the moment.

    I'll be sure to tell the cryogenic helium separation plants in Kansas
    that they need special piping. You know, the helium production plants
    that have been running for over a hundred years.

    Somewhere, I used to have a wheel out of a liquid helium expander that
    ran at 180,000 rpm for a few years before it failed. The blades were
    only a half inch tall or so.

    BTW, the cooling for the helium rector coolant will be a CO2
    vaporization system that will feed the turbine expander coupled to the
    power generator. This is not new technology, we have used it for many decades.

    Lynn


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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 18:06:51 2025
    On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:27:39 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
    wrote:

    Oh, really? Gee... I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is... I wonder what >happens when He-4 gets hit with a proton. Or a neutron. Or even an election >(a.k.a. a beta particle). There isn?t a lot of He-3 on Earth, but you
    REALLY want to keep protons and neutrons away.

    I remember reading some time about 20-30 years ago that there was
    believed to be far more He-3 on the Moon than on earth. Did they ever
    find out if that was true and if so how?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 25 23:59:00 2025
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Helium is not in short supply. I can buy cans of it at many stores for >blowing up balloons.

    Although the shortage is not as bad as it was five or six years ago
    before the US started selling off the helium reserves, the prices are
    still high and most companies will sell only a limited amount at a time.
    Really annoying for people who do weather balloons.

    BUT... there is a solution, and it's nuclear power since it's a decay
    product of uranium and thorium.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 08:52:53 2025
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:


    On 10/25/25 08:31, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 10/25/2025 4:48 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    On Oct 25, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10dhvus$35i3g$3@dont-email.me>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
    I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is...

    A nucleus consisting of two protons an two neutrons, passing through >>>>> a blood stream at high energy. Generally not considered healthy.

    Also known as He-4 nucleus. Alphas are the most common form of
    radioactivity.

    Why does it have to be bloody, though?

    Because it makes you bleed internally?


    Only if you ingest it.

    Alphay rays do no make you bleed (and yes, their range is so low
    that you have to be in contact with it, or actually ingest it).

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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 08:58:52 2025
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Helium is not in short supply. I can buy cans of it at many stores for >>blowing up balloons.

    Although the shortage is not as bad as it was five or six years ago
    before the US started selling off the helium reserves, the prices are
    still high and most companies will sell only a limited amount at a time. Really annoying for people who do weather balloons.

    BUT... there is a solution, and it's nuclear power since it's a decay
    product of uranium and thorium.

    Production of helium is around 30000 tons a year. The amount you could
    get from nuclear power is _far_ less. Do the math (and don't forget to
    put in the molar mass of He and U, respectively). Hint: It's not
    enough.

    It would also be an interesting problem to retrofit nuclear power plants
    for He collection...
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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 13:15:24 2025
    In article <kvsqfktjcequ67bp0d1kuhdjf7tg1l9iet@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:27:39 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
    wrote:

    Oh, really? Gee... I wonder what a bloody alpha particle is... I wonder what >>happens when He-4 gets hit with a proton. Or a neutron. Or even an election >>(a.k.a. a beta particle). There isn?t a lot of He-3 on Earth, but you >>REALLY want to keep protons and neutrons away.

    I remember reading some time about 20-30 years ago that there was
    believed to be far more He-3 on the Moon than on earth. Did they ever
    find out if that was true and if so how?

    Pretty much every aspect of the proposal does not stand up to close examination: as an ore for he-3, regolith is terrible, like sifting
    topsoil for gold. We don't have fusion reactors. If we did, they'd
    use D+T. If we could burn he-3, it wouldn't deliver the benefits
    asserted. It would cheaper to make he-3 on Earth.


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  • From Michael Benveniste@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 10:11:59 2025
    On 10/24/2025 6:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:

    the no-nuke-kooks vastly exaggerate this. The main danger from reactor-grade uranium/plutonium is that they?re heavy metals and therefore extremely
    toxic, and they also burn real good once you ignite them. Reactor-grade kicks mostly alphas. Alphas get stopped by a sheet of cardboard. You do want to keep heavy metals away from ground water.

    That's a dangerous simplification.

    In 1962, the United States successfully detonated a low yield (< 20kt)
    nuke built with reactor grade plutonium. Fission products comprise
    about 5% of the waste, which generate enough heat to require the waste
    to be stored in pools for 5-8 years and posing a significant radiation
    hazard for decades after that. During that time, not only does the
    waste have to be guarded against leakage, but also against theft for use
    in a radiological weapon.

    Thorium cycle reactors have different issues with waste, depending on
    whether the reactor in question is a closed cycle or open cycle design.
    All thorium reactors to date have incorporated either U-235 or plutonium
    in their fuel mix.

    --
    Mike Benveniste -- mhb@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
    Such commentary has become ubiquitous on the Internet and is widely
    perceived to carry no indicium of reliability and little weight.
    (Digital Media News v. Escape Media Group, May 2014).

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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 14:25:23 2025
    Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> schrieb:
    On 10/24/2025 6:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:

    the no-nuke-kooks vastly exaggerate this. The main danger from reactor-grade >> uranium/plutonium is that they?re heavy metals and therefore extremely
    toxic, and they also burn real good once you ignite them. Reactor-grade kicks
    mostly alphas. Alphas get stopped by a sheet of cardboard. You do want to
    keep heavy metals away from ground water.

    That's a dangerous simplification.

    In 1962, the United States successfully detonated a low yield (< 20kt)
    nuke built with reactor grade plutonium.

    Source?
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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 15:28:25 2025
    Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
    Production of helium is around 30000 tons a year. The amount you could
    get from nuclear power is _far_ less. Do the math (and don't forget to
    put in the molar mass of He and U, respectively). Hint: It's not
    enough.

    Yes, given cureent use.

    It would also be an interesting problem to retrofit nuclear power plants
    for He collection...

    THAT is where it would start to get interesting, yes. Use every part of
    the pig!
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 16:43:45 2025
    Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Helium is not in short supply. I can buy cans of it at many stores for
    blowing up balloons.

    Although the shortage is not as bad as it was five or six years ago
    before the US started selling off the helium reserves, the prices are
    still high and most companies will sell only a limited amount at a time.
    Really annoying for people who do weather balloons.

    BUT... there is a solution, and it's nuclear power since it's a decay
    product of uranium and thorium.

    Production of helium is around 30000 tons a year. The amount you could
    get from nuclear power is _far_ less. Do the math (and don't forget to
    put in the molar mass of He and U, respectively). Hint: It's not
    enough.

    It would also be an interesting problem to retrofit nuclear power plants
    for He collection...

    All you need are scrubbers lined with a chemical that strongly binds to
    Helium and ....

    Perhaps caviar will do. Helium is a noble gas, after all.

    William Hyde

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 26 16:49:24 2025
    On 10/26/2025 12:28 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
    Production of helium is around 30000 tons a year. The amount you could
    get from nuclear power is _far_ less. Do the math (and don't forget to
    put in the molar mass of He and U, respectively). Hint: It's not
    enough.

    Yes, given cureent use.

    It would also be an interesting problem to retrofit nuclear power plants
    for He collection...

    THAT is where it would start to get interesting, yes. Use every part of
    the pig!
    --scott

    *squeal*!

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    dirty old man.

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  • From Michael Benveniste@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 27 10:56:00 2025
    On 10/26/2025 10:25 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> schrieb:
    On 10/24/2025 6:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:

    the no-nuke-kooks vastly exaggerate this. The main danger from reactor-grade
    uranium/plutonium is that they?re heavy metals and therefore extremely
    toxic, and they also burn real good once you ignite them. Reactor-grade kicks
    mostly alphas. Alphas get stopped by a sheet of cardboard. You do want to >>> keep heavy metals away from ground water.

    That's a dangerous simplification.

    In 1962, the United States successfully detonated a low yield (< 20kt)
    nuke built with reactor grade plutonium.

    Source?

    https://www.osti.gov/opennet/forms?formurl=document/press/pc29.html

    --
    Mike Benveniste -- mhb@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
    Such commentary has become ubiquitous on the Internet and is widely
    perceived to carry no indicium of reliability and little weight.
    (Digital Media News v. Escape Media Group, May 2014).

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  • From Thomas Koenig@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 27 19:26:30 2025
    Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> schrieb:
    On 10/26/2025 10:25 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> schrieb:
    On 10/24/2025 6:34 PM, WolfFan wrote:

    the no-nuke-kooks vastly exaggerate this. The main danger from reactor-grade
    uranium/plutonium is that they?re heavy metals and therefore extremely >>>> toxic, and they also burn real good once you ignite them. Reactor-grade kicks
    mostly alphas. Alphas get stopped by a sheet of cardboard. You do want to >>>> keep heavy metals away from ground water.

    That's a dangerous simplification.

    In 1962, the United States successfully detonated a low yield (< 20kt)
    nuke built with reactor grade plutonium.

    Source?

    https://www.osti.gov/opennet/forms?formurl=document/press/pc29.html

    Thanks, interesting. Problem appears to be the presence of Pu-240,
    which can cause the nuclear explosive to fizzle out (complicating
    yield predictions) and has a significantly shorter half-life then
    Pu-239.

    But they didn't say what amount of Pu-240 they had, and for a good
    reason :-)
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