On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

rCLLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! rCo Someone Get Al Gore A TissuerCY

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

rCLBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would
be gone in just a few years, both in his rCydocumentaryrCO (the one that
lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his rCyDay After
TomorrowrCO cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean,
causing New York to freeze over.rCY

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed
freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its
movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already. If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet. Which can happen already on a
windy day. Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

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Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

rCLLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! rCo Someone Get Al Gore A TissuerCY

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

rCLBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would >>> be gone in just a few years, both in his rCydocumentaryrCO (the one that >>> lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his rCyDay After
TomorrowrCO cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean,
causing New York to freeze over.rCY

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the
ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed
freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its
movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already. If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet. Which can happen already on a
windy day. Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

Lynn makes his living from fossil fuels. It's not in his
best interest to care about the rest of the planet, so long
has his customers can extract more money from the
exploitation of a fundamentally limited resource.

He's about to reach 65, one might think he'd be concerned
about the world he is leaving to his child, but since
he owns his business, it's likely he'll continue to
ignore science and continue parroting nonsense from
right-wing garbage sites.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 15:19:21 +0100, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

oLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! u Someone Get Al Gore A Tissueo

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

oBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would
be gone in just a few years, both in his adocumentaryA (the one that
lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his aDay After
TomorrowA cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean,
causing New York to freeze over.o

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the
ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed
freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its
movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already. If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet. Which can happen already on a
windy day. Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

Which is all very well, but my point was that the /site he quoted/ mischaracterized /The Day After Tomorrow/, which is hard to do by
anyone possessing even one functioning brain cell.
AFAIK, the "latest Arctic ice measurements" show that there is less of
it than ever before in recorded history (which, I suppose, doesn't go
back too far, the Arctic being rather inaccessible). So the thread
title /itself/ suggests a lack of brain-cell function.
Alternately, the point is that it isn't necessary to tie the web-site
to the alt-right. The message title/quoted text /alone/ is enough to
show that it is unreliable -- and would be unreliable even if Bernie
or Hillary had written it.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On 9/4/2025 9:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

rCLLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! rCo Someone Get Al Gore A TissuerCY

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

rCLBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would >>>> be gone in just a few years, both in his rCydocumentaryrCO (the one that >>>> lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his rCyDay After
TomorrowrCO cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean,
causing New York to freeze over.rCY

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the
ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed
freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its
movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already. If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet. Which can happen already on a
windy day. Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

Lynn makes his living from fossil fuels. It's not in his
best interest to care about the rest of the planet, so long
has his customers can extract more money from the
exploitation of a fundamentally limited resource.

He's about to reach 65, one might think he'd be concerned
about the world he is leaving to his child, but since
he owns his business, it's likely he'll continue to
ignore science and continue parroting nonsense from
right-wing garbage sites.

I've been 65 for quite a while now. And I have more than one child.

And you keep on listening to the crazies like Mann and the rest of them
while me and mine are keeping the lights on.

Lynn


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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 9/4/2025 9:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

rCLLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! rCo Someone Get Al Gore A TissuerCY

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

rCLBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would >>>>> be gone in just a few years, both in his rCydocumentaryrCO (the one that >>>>> lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his rCyDay After
TomorrowrCO cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean, >>>>> causing New York to freeze over.rCY

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the >>>> ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed >>>> freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its
movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already. If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet. Which can happen already on a
windy day. Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

Lynn makes his living from fossil fuels. It's not in his
best interest to care about the rest of the planet, so long
has his customers can extract more money from the
exploitation of a fundamentally limited resource.

He's about to reach 65, one might think he'd be concerned
about the world he is leaving to his child, but since
he owns his business, it's likely he'll continue to
ignore science and continue parroting nonsense from
right-wing garbage sites.

I've been 65 for quite a while now. And I have more than one child.

And you keep on listening to the crazies like Mann

See, you can't refute the facts and resort to Ad Homenim. You
don't get to define "crazy".

and the rest of them

Like the IPCC? Like our own Dr. Hyde?

While I know who Mann is, he's one of thousands of
scientists who actually understand the atmospheric
behavior of carbon dioxide vis-a-vis emitted IR.

Spencer and Christy, however, are only two.

"Perhaps the darlings of the denialist community are
two researchers out of Alabama (John Christy and Roy
Spencer). They rose to public attention in the mid-1990s
when they reportedly showed that the atmosphere was not
warming and was actually cooling. It turns out they had
made some pretty significant errors and when other researchers
identified those errors, the new results showed a warming."

while me and mine are keeping the lights on.

My lights are powered by the sun.

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Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 9/4/2025 9:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

|ore4+oLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! |ore4rCY Someone Get Al Gore A Tissue|ore4-Y

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

|ore4+oBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would
be gone in just a few years, both in his |ore4-Ldocumentary|ore4rao (the one that
lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his |ore4-LDay After >>>>>> Tomorrow|ore4rao cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean,
causing New York to freeze over.|ore4-Y

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the >>>>> ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed >>>>> freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its >>>>> movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already. If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet. Which can happen already on a
windy day. Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

Lynn makes his living from fossil fuels. It's not in his
best interest to care about the rest of the planet, so long
has his customers can extract more money from the
exploitation of a fundamentally limited resource.

He's about to reach 65, one might think he'd be concerned
about the world he is leaving to his child, but since
he owns his business, it's likely he'll continue to
ignore science and continue parroting nonsense from
right-wing garbage sites.

I've been 65 for quite a while now. And I have more than one child.

And you keep on listening to the crazies like Mann

See, you can't refute the facts and resort to Ad Homenim. You
don't get to define "crazy".

and the rest of them

Like the IPCC? Like our own Dr. Hyde?

While I know who Mann is, he's one of thousands of
scientists who actually understand the atmospheric
behavior of carbon dioxide vis-a-vis emitted IR.

Spencer and Christy, however, are only two.

"Perhaps the darlings of the denialist community are
two researchers out of Alabama (John Christy and Roy
Spencer). They rose to public attention in the mid-1990s
when they reportedly showed that the atmosphere was not
warming and was actually cooling. It turns out they had
made some pretty significant errors and when other researchers
identified those errors, the new results showed a warming."

Even Christy could not deny the surface warning. His satellite
measurements, however, did show that the mid and upper troposphere were
not warming, or at least not warming as much as predicted. This caused
quite a stir, and a book was published on the topic which considered
every single possibility except that the measurements were incorrect.

A big deal was made of Christy's work here in this group. I pointed
out, among other things, that satellite "measurements" of tropospheric temperature were actually models themselves, models of the modification
of long wave radiation as it passes through the atmosphere. So the issue wasn't quite the "data vs model" argument it seemed to be. There were
error bars on the satellite results. Little did I know that the word
"bar" was superfluous.

The upper atmosphere was never expected to warm as much as the lower,
and the stratosphere, it has long, long, been known, was expected to
cool. I suspected that the relative upper atmosphere cooling had been underestimated in climate models, not all that incredible a possibility, though disturbing.

I never for a second imagined that Christy and his co-workers could be
so incompetent as to allow the stratospheric cooling signal to be mixed
in to a significant degree with their tropospheric measurements. Yet
that is what happened.

I was present when this was revealed. A seminar by one of Christy's
people at Texas A&M had me uneasy about their inversion algorithm, but a mature grad student - far more knowledgeable than I in the area of
remote sensing - stood up and tore the work apart. The speaker had
nothing to say in rebuttal.

And this wasn't their first such error, it was their third. The first
two were small, but all contributed to give erroneously cool
measurements. I find it difficult to regard this a coincidence.

while me and mine are keeping the lights on.

My lights are powered by the sun.

Hydro and nuclear here, mostly. Otherwise it's wind and solar, with
natural gas when demand is high. Moderate demand today and the gas
plants are idling.


William Hyde

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On 9/4/25 11:51, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 9/4/2025 9:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> writes:

On 22/07/2025 17:07, Paul S Person wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:00:42 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

rCLLatest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! rCo Someone Get Al Gore A >>>>> TissuerCY
https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-
in-someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

rCLBefore that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would >>>>> be gone in just a few years, both in his rCydocumentaryrCO (the one that >>>>> lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his rCyDay After
TomorrowrCO cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean, >>>>> causing New York to freeze over.rCY

<snippo nonsense others have addressed>

/The Day After Tomorrow/ came out two years before /An Inconvient
Truth/. Gore appears to have had nothing to do with the former.

And /The Day After Tomorrow/ contains no "polar ice slid[ing] into the >>>> ocean". New York -- indeed the Northern half of the USA -- does indeed >>>> freeze over, however.

So here's the question: here we have a site that cannot even get its
movies right. Why should we trust them to get anything else right?
("right" here meaning "correct", BTW)

North polar ice was, and, what remains, is in
the ocean already.-a If the ice on Greenland and
on Antarctica (and at the south pole) slips into
thevsea more than it already has, then New York City
may get quite wet.-a Which can happen already on a
windy day.-a Ice is less likely.

I don't see a reason to argue that the rest of what
Lynn quoted is anything other than nonsensical lies.

Lynn makes his living from fossil fuels.-a It's not in his
best interest to care about the rest of the planet, so long
has his customers can extract more money from the
exploitation of a fundamentally limited resource.

He's about to reach 65, one might think he'd be concerned
about the world he is leaving to his child, but since
he owns his business, it's likely he'll continue to
ignore science and continue parroting nonsense from
right-wing garbage sites.

I've been 65 for quite a while now.-a And I have more than one child.

And you keep on listening to the crazies like Mann and the rest of them while me and mine are keeping the lights on.

Lynn

.Yes Lynn you are keeping the lights on but at what price?
.If a polar bear or Pizzly bear hybrid wanders by I hope you can handle
the weapons to keep him harmless. He does not have enough Artic Ice and
is intruding further South.
.We want to relieve the fossil fuel fools of that onerous and dangeous
duty spinning it off to wind, wave, and to Old Sol with lots of batteries to keep the lights on when if ever the Sun does not shine, the ocean tides do
not move water up and down and the Wind does not blow.
.Also when the internal heat of the Earth is not available for the
thermal extraction of electricity from over-heated water.
.All we have to do is build out the grid so that the sunny, windy places
are able to supply the power to keep your lights on.
.Then you can rest.
.
.bliss

.


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From: scott@slp53.sl.home

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 7/22/2025 6:23 PM, William Hyde wrote:

Lynn McGuire wrote:

“Latest Arctic Ice Measurements Are In! — Someone Get Al Gore A Tissue”

https://clashdaily.com/2025/07/latest-arctic-ice-measurements-are-in-
someone-get-al-gore-a-tissue/

“Before that, Al Gore had confidently predicted that the sea ice would >>> be gone in just a few years, both in his ‘documentary’ (the one that >>> lost some court battles concerning its claims) and his ‘Day After
Tomorrow’ cataclysm movie where the polar ice slid into the ocean,
causing New York to freeze over.”

Ah, Lynn.  You and reality are at best distant acquaintances.

Actually, as this is an SF group, and alternate realities are a common
subject of SF, let us consider an alternate universe where Lynn and
Trump are right about everything.

Let's see. Could we write books based on the following?

(1) Donald Trump is a self-made man

(2) By selling the US oil at below world prices for fifty years, Canada
is ripping off the US.

(3) Biden appointed Jerome Powell

(3a) Biden was president in 2017

(4) The US will fall apart in five years.

(5) Fentanyl is flooding into the US from Canada (maybe we pack it in
the pipelines?).

(5) The world is not growing warmer

(5a) North America's fires are due to lazy people who don't rake
forests, unlike the industrious folk of the 1990s.

(6) USMCA is the greatest trade deal of all time.  All credit to Pres
Trump.

(7) USMCA is the worst trade deal of all time. All blame to someone else.

We could go on.  But what should be the pen name?  I'd go with "Angery
American", but that is taken.

William Hyde

Dude, you wound me unto the quick !

The truth hurts, donut?

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From: scott@slp53.sl.home

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

We used to mine asphalt in California but I think all we have left are
seeps.
We also mined mercury and some other things more or less noxious. Some
of the mines were on the rivers that feed Shasta Dam and while they were >plugged
according to the understanding ot the day the souble chemicals may be
leaking out.

A lot of the mercury used for gold refining during the gold
rush was mined in Santa Clara county, there are still contaminated
streams and perc ponds in San Jose. Alamaden Quicksilver
county park contains remnants of some of the QS mines.

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From: kludge@panix.com

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

I consider myself blessed by God. My eyes are failing me so I will be
having cataract surgery in a couple of weeks. I feel that God has
blessed the USA so much that we have surgeons and hospitals that can
help us out.

I can accept this, but it would make me wonder why God has blessed Japan
so much more than the USA in that regard.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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From: kludge@panix.com

Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On 9/11/25 15:14, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

I consider myself blessed by God. My eyes are failing me so I will be
having cataract surgery in a couple of weeks. I feel that God has
blessed the USA so much that we have surgeons and hospitals that can
help us out.

I can accept this, but it would make me wonder why God has blessed Japan
so much more than the USA in that regard.

Really Japan is ahead on surgeons and hospitals?
If so the following may explain it.

It is ahead in the matter of eye surgery. I can't speak about other procedures. I have extreme nearsightedness which runs in the family and several ancestors with retinal detachment as a result. I spoke with a
number of optometrists who all told me that it was a shame I wasn't in Japan.

The US is a really good place to be very very sick, but it's a pretty
awful place to be slightly sick. The state of the art in medical care in
the US is very high, but most people don't get or need the state of the
art and it doesn't trickle down very well.
--scott


--
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From: scott@slp53.sl.home

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 9/12/2025 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
...

     I am not well off so I have to wait until nearly the end of

November

for my cataract evaluation.  I hope that it will be operable as
something is
obscuring my vision which leds to frequent un-noticed typos and I have
to look over each post carefully to make sure I have not inadvertantly
typed "fruit for "free".  I use this example because in a SF book the
error
was made and went to final publication so that the free men became fruit >>> men.

For what it is worth I had cataract surgery (lens replacement) on my
eyes last year.  I had been forced to wait a LONG time before doing so
because of lack of health insurance.  By the time I was finally able to
get the surgeries I was basically blind in one eye and losing vision in
the other.  The lens replacement surgery is pretty close to routine now
with the odds of a bad outcome being very low.

I was "lucky" in that I had finally gotten a job that paid enough that
with the discounts/subsidies available on the ACA Marketplace I could
scrape together enough to pay premiums and the "out of pocket" expenses.

But it was close to too late.  If I had to do it with what the Big Ugly
Bill is doing to health insurance I wouldn't have been able to and would
be completely blind now.

Lynn may feel blessed but the politicians and policies he so strongly
supports are deliberately taking healthcare away from as many as
possible.  In large part because the MAGA movement is partly based on
the old Eugenics "let the weak die off!" with the wealthy and lucky
helping to kill them off.

Bobbie, I hope that you get your cataract fixed. They are a total mess.

Paying for medical health is a total nightmare in the USA. I have no
idea how to fix this. Even Medicare For All will be a disaster in my
opinion as that will be a Single Payer system.

Why would you think a single payer system would be a disaster?

50% of your medical costs (or more) are simple overhead from each
of the dozen intermediaries that are involved in paying the providers.

The for-profit insurance company (e.g. united health) absorbs almost
30% of your premium, just so they can deny coverage to preserve their
profits and princely CEO compensation.

Medicare overhead is in the single digit percentage.

Then there is the overhead for the physicican billing
service, and all the arcane billing intermediaries, the
transportation (ambulance) providers.

If medical professionals were saleried generously, rather than compensated
per procedure, costs would go down considerably.

If the government covered part or all of medical school, it would
open up opportunities for the non-wealthy to serve. Perhaps with
certain requirements on serving underserved areas for some period
of time (e.g. all the rural and suburban hospitals that will likely
close due to the Big Ugly Bill).

? For me, I love being on

Medicare but my Part B, part D, and Part G are costing me $350 per

Yes, the insurance companies lobbied congress to make sure they
could suck more dollars out of the system, rather than medicare
just handling it all themselves, like they used to before the
GOP dismantled that and replaced it with private for-profit
companies, inevitably leading to higher costs and lesser benefit
to the retired.

month. My wife is the same. A bargain compared to my $1,200/month that
I was paying for Obamacare. I do pay $550 per month to Obamacare for
our disabled 37 year old daughter who lives with my wife and I.

I was on Obamacare for the last two years before I turned 65.

It is called the Affordable Care Act, and originate in
congress.

It sucked
and it sucked bad. I lost all of my doctors except my eye doctor. I
lost my favorite hospital.

A common complaint from conservatives. Not backed up by much
non-anecdotal evidence, however.

I distinctly remember Obama stating that if
I wanted to keep my doctor, I could.

Another misattribution by conservative commentators, not backed
by actual fact.

He lied.

Congress didn't craft the ACA to allowed you to keep your
doctor, if that indeed was the case. For which the blame
should be assigned to congress. Yes, the President was
incorrect in his statements (many of which preceeded the
passage of the ACA). But ultimately, law is created by
congress (although the orange clown is testing that part of
the constitution, to our collective detriment).

"The Affordable Care Act tried to allow existing health plans
to continue under a complicated process called "grandfathering,"
which basically said insurance companies could keep selling plans
if they followed certain rules."

"The problem for insurers was that the ACA rules were strict.
If the plans deviated even a little, they would lose their
grandfathered status. In practice, that meant insurers canceled
plans that didn't meet new standards."

Again, blame the congress who wrote and passed the affordable
care act.

I feel blessed because I survived two heart attacks with the aid of much >medical intervention at ages 49 and 53. My great grandfather passed
away in 1937 at the age of 57 with his second heart attack, just a few
miles away from here. Maybe I will continue to survive my heart issues
and now my new lung issues for a while.

We've all benefited from the advances in medical care during our
lifetime. Much of which is threatened by the current congress
and administration. Stents, in particular have extended lifespans
for heart patients significantly since they were approved by the
FDA in 1994.

But so long as the system is profit driven, outcomes will favor
profitibility, rather than the health of the patient, sadly.

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From: kludge@panix.com

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Our current medical science can only extend life by 20 to 40 years. You
will still have to face God someday.

Sometimes much much longer. A lot of children who would have died at birth
now live to a long and ripe age.

Don't think of medical science as extending the -maximum- lifespan because really we don't have any way of doing much of that. Think of it as extending the -average- lifespan and it does that very very well.

Meaning more people will face God as older and hopefully wiser people, rather than having to face Him as an infant.

So much of that benefit comes from public health improvements too. Not
that medication and surgery developments haven't helped a lot.

God has blessed many countries over the millennia, evil countries too.
Read the Book Of Daniel, it is amazing.

There are no evil countries, there are only evil people. And maybe there
are only misguided people.

I am reminded of a story that takes place on a generation ship, written from the standpoint of a nearly-blind man who is given a handmade pair of glasses
by a physician who tries to keep alive some of the old knowledge. But I
cannot for the life of me remember the name of the thing.
--scott


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From: kludge@panix.com

In article <10aarl6$2cmqi$3@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >On 15/09/25 03:17, Paul S Person wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:12:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 18:14:05 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

I can accept this, but it would make me wonder why God has blessed Japan >>>> so much more than the USA in that regard.

Hmmm. I had cataract surgery 3 weeks ago. Does that "prove" Canada is
equally blessed by God? Uh...

At the moment, perhaps, even more so, if that were possible.

We, after all, have Trump; Canada does not.

Canada probably isn't stupid enough to vote for Trump.
(Nor Biden.)

Toronto voted for Rob Ford, though.
The man gives crackhead a bad name.
--scott
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From: scott@slp53.sl.home

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

Even in Southern California we
have the Crystal Cathedral which I have heard of but never
seen

I was a guest at a (non-denominational) wedding at the Crystal Cathedral circa 1989. Impressive building. IIRC, the original
TV evangalist (Schuller) sect that built it is long gone. Wikipedia
suggests it is now a Catholic cathedral, after $100 million in
purchase and renovation costs.

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