• Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93NASA_Accelerates_M?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oon_Base_Pla

    From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 01:50:37 2025
    Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93NASA_Accelerates_M?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oon_Base_Plans_With?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_100-Kilowatt_Nucle?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ar_Reactor_to_Outpa?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ce_China=94?=

    On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:36:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    =E2=80=9CNASA Accelerates Moon Base Plans With 100-Kilowatt Nuclear =
    Reactor to=20
    Outpace China=E2=80?
    =20 >>https://thelibertydaily.com/nasa-accelerates-moon-base-plans-100-kilowa= tt-nuclear/

    right-wing rag.

    Pie in the sky from the unqualified "interim director" (former =
    lumberjack
    and television presenter). I used to live in his district. Thinly = populated
    and fairly conservative.

    They'll need to design a brand new reactor which can dissipate all
    the waste heat involved in power production with no atmosphere
    and no nearby river or ocean.

    Not an easy task, it may require significant resources just to
    provide the very large radiators (and the correponding heat
    transfer mechanisms/fluids); not clear that they can be produced
    in-situ.

    This sounds like something that might be possible after, say, 20 years
    of steady industrial development on the Moon. And if not 20, perhaps
    50.

    IOW, something an established Moon colony could manage.

    Then again, as another has noted, the output is far less than that of
    a nuclear-powered submarine's reactor. So maybe it would be small
    enough to fit into a suitable launch vehicle. If only in pieces, some
    on-site assembly being required.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 10:33:17 2025
    Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=E2=80=9CNASA_Accelerates_Moon_Base_Plans_With_100-?=
    =?UTF-8?Q?Kilowatt_Nuclear_Reactor_to_Outpace_China=E2=80=9D?=

    On 8/16/2025 11:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:36:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    “NASA Accelerates Moon Base Plans With 100-Kilowatt Nuclear Reactor to
    Outpace China�

    https://thelibertydaily.com/nasa-accelerates-moon-base-plans-100-kilowatt-nuclear/

    right-wing rag.

    Pie in the sky from the unqualified "interim director" (former lumberjack
    and television presenter). I used to live in his district. Thinly populated
    and fairly conservative.

    They'll need to design a brand new reactor which can dissipate all
    the waste heat involved in power production with no atmosphere
    and no nearby river or ocean.

    Not an easy task, it may require significant resources just to
    provide the very large radiators (and the correponding heat
    transfer mechanisms/fluids); not clear that they can be produced
    in-situ.

    This sounds like something that might be possible after, say, 20 years
    of steady industrial development on the Moon. And if not 20, perhaps
    50.

    IOW, something an established Moon colony could manage.

    Then again, as another has noted, the output is far less than that of
    a nuclear-powered submarine's reactor. So maybe it would be small
    enough to fit into a suitable launch vehicle. If only in pieces, some
    on-site assembly being required.

    A submarine nuclear reactor has the ocean to dump heat in.

    In a vacuum its a lot harder. Take a look at the ISS.

    It runs at 84-120 kW, comparable to the proposed reactor,
    and uses 254 sq m of radiators

    Even is we have to double it since half the view of a
    radiator panel is the hot lunar surface, that's still
    not an unimaginable amount of area.

    pt


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 01:51:50 2025
    Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93NASA_Accelerates_M?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?oon_Base_Plans_With?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_100-Kilowatt_Nucle?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ar_Reactor_to_Outpa?=
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ce_China=94?=

    On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 20:33:17 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/16/2025 11:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:36:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    =20
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    =E2=80=9CNASA Accelerates Moon Base Plans With 100-Kilowatt Nuclear = Reactor to
    Outpace China=E2=80?
    =20
    = https://thelibertydaily.com/nasa-accelerates-moon-base-plans-100-kilowatt= -nuclear/

    right-wing rag.

    Pie in the sky from the unqualified "interim director" (former =
    lumberjack
    and television presenter). I used to live in his district. Thinly = populated
    and fairly conservative.

    They'll need to design a brand new reactor which can dissipate all
    the waste heat involved in power production with no atmosphere
    and no nearby river or ocean.

    Not an easy task, it may require significant resources just to
    provide the very large radiators (and the correponding heat
    transfer mechanisms/fluids); not clear that they can be produced
    in-situ.
    =20
    This sounds like something that might be possible after, say, 20 years
    of steady industrial development on the Moon. And if not 20, perhaps
    50.
    =20
    IOW, something an established Moon colony could manage.
    =20
    Then again, as another has noted, the output is far less than that of
    a nuclear-powered submarine's reactor. So maybe it would be small
    enough to fit into a suitable launch vehicle. If only in pieces, some
    on-site assembly being required.

    A submarine nuclear reactor has the ocean to dump heat in.

    Which misses the point: it produces a lot more electricity than
    proposed here, yet surely is not as large as a land-based nuclear
    power station.

    In a vacuum its a lot harder. Take a look at the ISS.

    It runs at 84-120 kW, comparable to the proposed reactor,
    and uses 254 sq m of radiators

    Even is we have to double it since half the view of a
    radiator panel is the hot lunar surface, that's still
    not an unimaginable amount of area.

    So, you are agreeing with me: it could be packed and sent to the Moon
    in peices, to be assembled there.

    Well, a puny one anyway.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Cryptoengineer@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 02:02:41 2025
    Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=E2=80=9CNASA_Accelerates_Moon_Base_Plans_With_100-?=
    =?UTF-8?Q?Kilowatt_Nuclear_Reactor_to_Outpace_China=E2=80=9D?=

    On 8/17/2025 11:51 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 20:33:17 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/16/2025 11:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:36:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    “NASA Accelerates Moon Base Plans With 100-Kilowatt Nuclear Reactor to
    Outpace China�

    https://thelibertydaily.com/nasa-accelerates-moon-base-plans-100-kilowatt-nuclear/

    right-wing rag.

    Pie in the sky from the unqualified "interim director" (former lumberjack >>>> and television presenter). I used to live in his district. Thinly populated
    and fairly conservative.

    They'll need to design a brand new reactor which can dissipate all
    the waste heat involved in power production with no atmosphere
    and no nearby river or ocean.

    Not an easy task, it may require significant resources just to
    provide the very large radiators (and the correponding heat
    transfer mechanisms/fluids); not clear that they can be produced
    in-situ.

    This sounds like something that might be possible after, say, 20 years
    of steady industrial development on the Moon. And if not 20, perhaps
    50.

    IOW, something an established Moon colony could manage.

    Then again, as another has noted, the output is far less than that of
    a nuclear-powered submarine's reactor. So maybe it would be small
    enough to fit into a suitable launch vehicle. If only in pieces, some
    on-site assembly being required.

    A submarine nuclear reactor has the ocean to dump heat in.

    Which misses the point: it produces a lot more electricity than
    proposed here, yet surely is not as large as a land-based nuclear
    power station.

    In a vacuum its a lot harder. Take a look at the ISS.

    It runs at 84-120 kW, comparable to the proposed reactor,
    and uses 254 sq m of radiators

    Even is we have to double it since half the view of a
    radiator panel is the hot lunar surface, that's still
    not an unimaginable amount of area.

    So, you are agreeing with me: it could be packed and sent to the Moon
    in peices, to be assembled there.

    Well, a puny one anyway.

    Yes, I'm agreeing with you. Scott Lurndal raised the heat dissipation
    problem - I'm just showing we have a working example that its tractable.

    pt

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