On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 08:39:53 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

A situation where most of the "adults" are teenagers as well.

Having an operatic diva sing Juliet is intrinsically hilarious. The
very concept is ROFL level. Or should be.

Yup though I had my mother's old text books and when I was 12-13 I was
reading Shakespeare's Julius Caesar and Macbeth.

No the violence didn't permanently warp me though I had the good
fortune of having had a junior high English teacher who told me that
in Shakespeare's time the convention was that (a) all comedies ended
with a wedding and (b) all tragedies ended with most or all of the
main characters dead and only the lesser characters surviving. (I was
told that immediately after trying to discuss Hamlet with him...)

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On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:02:01 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

I suppose either is possible, although Britain was taken over after
Hastings by Normans (North-men, ie, Scandinavians), not by Franks (a
German tribe). The peasants were neither.

Present day DNA tests across northern England have shown a fairly
clear divide between where the Danes and Norwegians settled (and
judging by the DNA stayed - though over generations they became
Anglicized)

DNA testing also shows little or no differences between Northern
Ireland Protestants and Catholics much to the chagrin of those who
assert that ALL Northern Ireland Protestants are merely transplanted
Scots (whose DNA is somewhat different from Ireland though there are
some connections).

I've recently read a book on the projected union of Northern Ireland
(how can you tell both my mother's parents were born there) and the
Irish Republic whose author asserts "Ireland is Catholic" which kinda
defeats the purpose of trying to acquire Ulster. Besides when I was
there in 2016 Belfast looked like it had just as many non-Northern
Europeans (e.g. lots of Italians and non-white folks) as anywhere in
England.

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In article <l5vh5klmrjfb2osjm0hfcd6urb4gat6pf4@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 06:34:37 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

The Demonization of Shakespeare [...]

I suspect you've seen the following recent news item but, if not, here's a >> link.

<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/16/william-shakespeare-
birthplace-trust-white-supremacy-empire/> [...] :

"The project also recommended that the trust present Shakespeare not as >the 'greatest', but as 'part of a community of equal and different
writers and artists from around the world'."

I think that's twisting the facts to suit what people want to believe. >Now, whom can we turn to for a quotation?

I would have no problem if people grouped Shakespeare with people like
Dumas, Zola, Camus, Rousseau, Dosteyevsky, Tolstoy etc. but you know
as well as I do that "part of a community of equal and different
writers and artists from around the world" DOESN'T in 2025 mean "more
dead white males" - or even ANY white males.

Dumas is a "dead white male"? (dead, yes, male, yes).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. -------------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:01:48 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

In article <l5vh5klmrjfb2osjm0hfcd6urb4gat6pf4@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 06:34:37 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
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The Demonization of Shakespeare [...]

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I suspect you've seen the following recent news item but, if not, = here's a
link.
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<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/16/william-shakespeare-
birthplace-trust-white-supremacy-empire/> [...] :

"The project also recommended that the trust present Shakespeare not = as=20
the 'greatest', but as 'part of a community of equal and different=20
writers and artists from around the world'."

I think that's twisting the facts to suit what people want to =

believe.=20

Now, whom can we turn to for a quotation?

I would have no problem if people grouped Shakespeare with people like
Dumas, Zola, Camus, Rousseau, Dosteyevsky, Tolstoy etc. but you know
as well as I do that "part of a community of equal and different
writers and artists from around the world" DOESN'T in 2025 mean "more
dead white males" - or even ANY white males.
=20

Dumas is a "dead white male"? (dead, yes, male, yes).

As I have noted elsewhere, wing-nuts exist on /all/ sides.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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