Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:viewpoint
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
The government pilfering is a problem, and it's been happening since
Reagan. =20
The aging population is also a problem, with fewer younger people paying
into the system as more aging people are paid by it. (And yes, higher >immigration rates can fix this one.)
Some people have made the argument that mathematically, if the cap on
income was removed from the social security witholdings, so that=20 >billionaires were paying at the same percentage rate as millionaires
instead of the same amount, that it would solve the current OAS deficit >problem. This is true, and it's certainly a good plan from any =
except that of the very rich, but it's also kicking the can down the =road
a bit since eventually the very rich are likely to get paid back a good >portion of that a generation later.
On 6/21/2025 2:17 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:immigrants
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the =
securityare uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.=20
What does that have to do with being able to pay into the social =
Englishsystem?
=20
My grandparents were uneducated and my grandmother never did learn =
andeven after seventy years in the country. But she ran a cheese factory=
millionbecame a successful businessperson.
=20
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only. We still allow about 1.3 =
=20people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of=20
existing citizens.
When was this? It certainly wasn't when my grandparents came here.
--scott
The USA immigration laws were put in place in 1925 ? and highly modified=
in 1965 by Ted Kennedy, etc. I do not know about the immigration laws=20 >prior to 1925 which were undoubtedly different.
On 6/21/2025 11:57 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
=20
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college=20
graduates and English competency only. =20
ROFLMAO
We still allow about 1.3 million=20Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born=20
people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of=20
existing citizens.
=20
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born=20 >citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be=20 >Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
On 6/21/2025 4:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:=20
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
=20
Means testing Medicare will throw a bunch of people like me, middle
income, into the valley of no health insurance. Throwing us onto
Obamacare is just another cost to the feddies.
Perhaps you might consider eliminating the vast overhead of
the insurance companies, physician holding companies and
pharmacy benefits managers that consume better than 50%
of every healthcare dollar spent. Pure overhead with
absolutely no benifit.
=20
Setup a single payer (perhaps like the post office) and
simplify the billing infrastructure. Save tons of money.
What is the biggest Single Payer system on the planet ? Canada with 40=20 >million people ?
Will that work for 350 million people ?
BTW, Single Payer is the same as Medicare for all. Given that 67=20
million people are on Medicare in the USA at the moment, expanding that=20
to 100% of the citizens may or may not work. Will all doctors accept it=
or will they quit / retire ? This would be a heck of an experiment.
77 million people in the USA are on Medicaid. Given that 3 million=20=20
people word for the feddies with an average of two dependents (SWAG) and=
1 million work for DOD with an average of two dependents (SWAG). So the==20
USA government is already covering 67 + 77 + 3 * 3 + 1 * 3 =3D 156 = million=20
people for healthcare. That is a large portion of the USA population.
When I was a kid growing up in Oklahoma in the 1960s, we had free=20
clinics all over the place. My mother used those extensively for=20
vaccines and sniffles. Those free clinics seem to have gone away.
On 6/22/2025 9:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional TravelerI knew about the Senator being tackled but I hadn't heard of US=20
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
=20
On 6/21/2025 11:57 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:=20
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only.
ROFLMAO
We still allow about 1.3 millionUh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Not to mention a US Marshall now and then.
=20
And tackling a Senator.
=20
And the Orange Taco managed to chicken out twice in one day -- once to
his farming buddies, and once to a man intent on giving Goebbels a run
for his money -- on the exact same issue.
=20
But, hey, anything to get his name in the headlines!
=20
Marshalls being deported.
On 6/21/25 11:57, Lynn McGuire wrote:paying
On 6/21/2025 11:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie=A0 <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
The government pilfering is a problem, and it's been happening since
Reagan.
The aging population is also a problem, with fewer younger people =
higherinto the system as more aging people are paid by it.=A0 (And yes, =
deficitimmigration rates can fix this one.)
Some people have made the argument that mathematically, if the cap on
income was removed from the social security witholdings, so that
billionaires were paying at the same percentage rate as millionaires
instead of the same amount, that it would solve the current OAS =
roadproblem.=A0 This is true, and it's certainly a good plan from any = viewpoint
except that of the very rich, but it's also kicking the can down the =
gooda bit since eventually the very rich are likely to get paid back a =
=20portion of that a generation later.=20
--scott
Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the immigrants=
moreare uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.
=20
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college=20
graduates and English competency only.=A0 We still allow about 1.3 = million=20
people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of=20
existing citizens.
=20
Lynn
=20
Lynn you are buying the right wing lies again. Immigrants are pursuing =
education than ever before...parents
Most of the undocumented would not take those jobs that Americans would
not take if they were totally able to deal with people in English.=20 >Yesterday the
Father of several Marine sons who is pursuing the immunity due to =
of Military was arrested by ICE as he was doing the landscaping at a =chain
restaurant and they accused him of attacking them with a weed wacker =when
he was trying to run away. As usual with ICE they presented no warrant =and
were masked. He just had darker skin.
On 6/25/2025 8:59 AM, Paul S Person wrote:since
On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 08:53:16 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
=20
On 6/21/25 11:57, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 6/21/2025 11:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie=A0 <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
The government pilfering is a problem, and it's been happening =
onReagan.
The aging population is also a problem, with fewer younger people = paying
into the system as more aging people are paid by it.=A0 (And yes, = higher
immigration rates can fix this one.)
Some people have made the argument that mathematically, if the cap =
millionairesincome was removed from the social security witholdings, so that
billionaires were paying at the same percentage rate as =
deficitinstead of the same amount, that it would solve the current OAS =
the roadproblem.=A0 This is true, and it's certainly a good plan from any = viewpoint
except that of the very rich, but it's also kicking the can down =
gooda bit since eventually the very rich are likely to get paid back a =
immigrantsportion of that a generation later.
--scott
Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the =
parentsare uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only.=A0 We still allow about 1.3 = million
people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
Lynn
Lynn you are buying the right wing lies again. Immigrants are = pursuing more
education than ever before...
Most of the undocumented would not take those jobs that Americans = would
not take if they were totally able to deal with people in English.
Yesterday the
Father of several Marine sons who is pursuing the immunity due to =
whenof Military was arrested by ICE as he was doing the landscaping at a = chain
restaurant and they accused him of attacking them with a weed wacker =
warrant andhe was trying to run away. As usual with ICE they presented no =
business.Or, its already being felt. I've seen a couple of articles about the=20 >disappearance of the lunch trucks (aka Taco Trucks) doing curbside =were masked. He just had darker skin.=20
Huh.
=20
I thought Trump ordered all people wearing masks to be arrested.
=20
So why haven't the alleged ICE Agents wearing masks been -- arrested?
=20
The excessive focus on "people who look like Mexicans" ("racism") has
been apparent for quite some time.
=20
As has their sloppiness and inefficiency.
=20
The effects of their efforts should be apparent next year at the food
store and on the kitchen table.
=20
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