• 2025 Hugo Awards Homework - The Novels

    From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 30 14:38:24 2025
    I looked at the 2025 Hugo Award finalists and noticed that I was
    unfamiliar with just about all of them. So I downloaded the some of the packet, category by category.

    First on the list was novels. The first novel I read was _The Tainted
    Cup_ by Robert Jackson Bennett because it was a mystery and I like
    mysteries. The file I downloaded had sixteen blurbs or quotes from
    reviews, five of which mention Sherlock Holmes. The two blurbs that
    refer to either Nero Wolfe or his creator, Rex Stout, were more
    appropriate. After all, the investigator, Anagosa Dolabra, doesnıt
    examine crime scenes (being a recluse). Instead, she sends her
    assistant, Dinios Kol, to the scene of the crime and he reports on what
    he observes (aided by a magically enhanced memory). True, like Sherlock,
    Ana has an interest in ³recreational chemicals². However, like Nero
    Wolfe, Ana has many books.

    The book starts with Dinios examining the scene of a murder; when he
    reports all of this to Ana, she immediately identifies the method (using knowledge not available to the reader). However, this is merely the
    first murder in the book and this outr‚ method is repeated. The story is
    set in an empire that was created to prevent large sea monsters (perhaps
    even Godzilla size) from trampling the landscape and has devoted vast resources to do this. Those resources provide much opportunity for
    corruption, but the fact that these monsters show up every monsoon
    season has kept the various bureaucracies on track for centuries. This
    is the first book of a series and the second one was published in April
    2025. I have not yet decided if I will purchase it.

    The second novel I read was _The Ministry of Time_ by Kaliane Bradley
    because I decided (from reviews and the like) that it was the most
    likely title to win (James Nicollıs review can be found at https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/full-time-help). This book is
    another example of why people who possess time machines should read
    every SF title with time machines that they can find, especially the
    ones where clever plans go wrong (which are numerous, including this
    one). The ministry of time has yanked five people from the past who were doomed to die; the most prominent (e.g., there is a Wikipedia article
    for him) was Commander Graham Gore from the Franklin Expedition. The
    unnamed principal narrator (while many conversations are given verbatim,
    the ones where her name is mentioned are merely summarized) is hired to
    be the ³bridge² for Graham Gore to the modern world. Personally, I am
    annoyed by the authorıs decision to not name her narrator. All I will
    add to James Nicollıs review is that there are 10 (all very short)
    chapters with Commander Graham Gore as the viewpoint, starting when he
    was part of the Franklin Expedition, with last few set after he was
    yanked into the 21st century, ending with his introduction to his
    ³bridge².

    The third novel I read was _Alien Clay_ by Adrian Tchaikovsky (James
    Nicollıs review can be found at https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/always-burning - BTW, the packet had
    the UK edition). It starts with ex-Professor Anton Daghdev being dumped
    onto a labor colony (i.e., Gulag) on an extrasolar planet with exuberant
    life. He had run afoul with Earthıs Governmental Mandate, a totalitarian
    state that thinks it has all the answers. There a number of procedures
    in the setup that are presented as the cheap way of doing things. I have doubts that several actually were cheaper. If I read James Nicollıs
    review correctly, he has similar doubts.

    The fourth novel I read was _Service Model_ by Adrian Tchaikovsky. A
    robot leaves his comfortable position and goes out in the world, which
    had gone to hell. I suspect insufficient beta testing of several robot operating systems. I had problems reading this, because that robot was
    the only viewpoint (I am reluctant to call him a protagonist) and I
    wanted to shout at him about every other page.

    I did not read _Someone You can Build a Nest in_ by John Wiswell,
    because a description that I read of it convinced me that it was horror
    and I try to avoid horror. I had already read _A Sorceress Comes to
    Call_ by T. Kingfisher (Ursula Vernon). BTW, this was the only one of
    the 24 fiction nominees that I had already read.

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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Michael Ikeda@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 30 22:23:08 2025
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in news:robertaw-E0239D.21382429052025@news.individual.net:

    I looked at the 2025 Hugo Award finalists and noticed that I was
    unfamiliar with just about all of them. So I downloaded the some
    of the packet, category by category.

    First on the list was novels. The first novel I read was _The
    Tainted Cup_ by Robert Jackson Bennett because it was a mystery
    and I like mysteries. The file I downloaded had sixteen blurbs
    or quotes from reviews, five of which mention Sherlock Holmes.
    The two blurbs that refer to either Nero Wolfe or his creator,
    Rex Stout, were more appropriate. After all, the investigator,
    Anagosa Dolabra, doesnıt examine crime scenes (being a recluse).
    Instead, she sends her assistant, Dinios Kol, to the scene of
    the crime and he reports on what he observes (aided by a
    magically enhanced memory). True, like Sherlock, Ana has an
    interest in ³recreational chemicals². However, like Nero Wolfe,
    Ana has many books.

    The book starts with Dinios examining the scene of a murder;
    when he reports all of this to Ana, she immediately identifies
    the method (using knowledge not available to the reader).
    However, this is merely the first murder in the book and this
    outr‚ method is repeated. The story is set in an empire that was
    created to prevent large sea monsters (perhaps even Godzilla
    size) from trampling the landscape and has devoted vast
    resources to do this. Those resources provide much opportunity
    for corruption, but the fact that these monsters show up every
    monsoon season has kept the various bureaucracies on track for
    centuries. This is the first book of a series and the second one
    was published in April 2025. I have not yet decided if I will
    purchase it.

    The second novel I read was _The Ministry of Time_ by Kaliane
    Bradley because I decided (from reviews and the like) that it
    was the most likely title to win (James Nicollıs review can be
    found at https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/full-time-help).
    This book is another example of why people who possess time
    machines should read every SF title with time machines that they
    can find, especially the ones where clever plans go wrong (which
    are numerous, including this one). The ministry of time has
    yanked five people from the past who were doomed to die; the
    most prominent (e.g., there is a Wikipedia article for him) was
    Commander Graham Gore from the Franklin Expedition. The unnamed
    principal narrator (while many conversations are given verbatim,
    the ones where her name is mentioned are merely summarized) is
    hired to be the ³bridge² for Graham Gore to the modern world.
    Personally, I am annoyed by the authorıs decision to not name
    her narrator. All I will add to James Nicollıs review is that
    there are 10 (all very short) chapters with Commander Graham
    Gore as the viewpoint, starting when he was part of the Franklin
    Expedition, with last few set after he was yanked into the 21st
    century, ending with his introduction to his ³bridge².

    The third novel I read was _Alien Clay_ by Adrian Tchaikovsky
    (James Nicollıs review can be found at

    I did not read _Someone You can Build a Nest in_ by John
    Wiswell, because a description that I read of it convinced me
    that it was horror and I try to avoid horror. I had already read
    _A Sorceress Comes to Call_ by T. Kingfisher (Ursula Vernon).
    BTW, this was the only one of the 24 fiction nominees that I had
    already read.


    Is T. Kingfisher an exception to your "try to avoid horror" policy or did it just not feel like horror
    genre to you?

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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat May 31 14:47:01 2025
    In article <XnsB2EF554D2283Ammikedacomcastnet@85.12.62.254>,
    Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in news:robertaw-E0239D.21382429052025@news.individual.net:

    I looked at the 2025 Hugo Award finalists and noticed that I was
    unfamiliar with just about all of them. So I downloaded the some
    of the packet, category by category.



    (SNIP!!)

    I did not read _Someone You can Build a Nest in_ by John
    Wiswell, because a description that I read of it convinced me
    that it was horror and I try to avoid horror. I had already read
    _A Sorceress Comes to Call_ by T. Kingfisher (Ursula Vernon).
    BTW, this was the only one of the 24 fiction nominees that I had
    already read.


    Is T. Kingfisher an exception to your "try to avoid horror" policy or did it just not feel like horror genre to you?

    I read it last year because somebody claimed that it was a take on the
    "Goose Girl" story from the Grimm Brothers collection. IMHO, it didn't
    look that much like "Goose Girl" (other than the girl being bullied).

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jun 2 07:25:05 2025
    On 31 May 2025 at 05:47:01 BST, "Robert Woodward" <robertaw@drizzle.com>
    wrote:

    In article <XnsB2EF554D2283Ammikedacomcastnet@85.12.62.254>,
    Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
    news:robertaw-E0239D.21382429052025@news.individual.net:

    I did not read _Someone You can Build a Nest in_ by John
    Wiswell, because a description that I read of it convinced me
    that it was horror and I try to avoid horror. I had already read
    _A Sorceress Comes to Call_ by T. Kingfisher (Ursula Vernon).
    BTW, this was the only one of the 24 fiction nominees that I had
    already read.


    Is T. Kingfisher an exception to your "try to avoid horror" policy or did it >> just not feel like horror genre to you?

    I read it last year because somebody claimed that it was a take on the
    "Goose Girl" story from the Grimm Brothers collection. IMHO, it didn't
    look that much like "Goose Girl" (other than the girl being bullied).

    Plus Vernon/Kingfisher has only written a few horror books, the rest are fantasy including _A Sorceress_. A couple of the fantasies have some
    horror trappings (the recent Sworn Soldier ones) but *waggles hand*.

    Her actual horror novels are in the Southern Gothic style - _The Twisted
    Ones_, _The Hollow Places_, and _A House With Good Bones_.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "No flying cars yet?", he wrote from a 2 inch by 4 inch
    pocket computer instantaneously to subscribers
    worldwide using only his right thumb.
    -- @wjflowers

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  • From Michael Ikeda@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jun 2 08:11:16 2025
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote in news:ma3uphFiq8jU1@mid.individual.net:

    On 31 May 2025 at 05:47:01 BST, "Robert Woodward"
    <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB2EF554D2283Ammikedacomcastnet@85.12.62.254>,
    Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
    news:robertaw-E0239D.21382429052025@news.individual.net:

    I did not read _Someone You can Build a Nest in_ by John
    Wiswell, because a description that I read of it convinced me
    that it was horror and I try to avoid horror. I had already
    read _A Sorceress Comes to Call_ by T. Kingfisher (Ursula
    Vernon). BTW, this was the only one of the 24 fiction
    nominees that I had already read.


    Is T. Kingfisher an exception to your "try to avoid horror"
    policy or did it just not feel like horror genre to you?

    I read it last year because somebody claimed that it was a take
    on the "Goose Girl" story from the Grimm Brothers collection.
    IMHO, it didn't look that much like "Goose Girl" (other than
    the girl being bullied).

    Plus Vernon/Kingfisher has only written a few horror books, the
    rest are fantasy including _A Sorceress_. A couple of the
    fantasies have some horror trappings (the recent Sworn Soldier
    ones) but *waggles hand*.

    I would say "A Sorceress Comes to Call" also has horror trappings
    (presumably the Wiswell does as well although it probably isn't
    really horror genre if "Sorceress" isn't classified that way.)


    Her actual horror novels are in the Southern Gothic style - _The
    Twisted Ones_, _The Hollow Places_, and _A House With Good
    Bones_.

    Cheers - Jaimie


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 3 15:42:32 2025
    On 30/05/25 16:38, Robert Woodward wrote:
    I did not read _Someone You can Build a Nest in_ by John Wiswell,
    because a description that I read of it convinced me that it was horror
    and I try to avoid horror.

    It was horror in that it was crude and violent but also incredibly
    stupid. I posted my thoughts here earlier this year.
    I don't like the creepy feeling I experience when reading clever horror
    like Stephen King's but the main purpose of the horrific violence of
    Wiswell is an attempt to shock the reader with gore so there was no
    creepy feeling; just amazement that such crap was nominated.

    Thank for the outlines. I think I will try the Bradley and the first Tchaikovsky and read the Nicoll reviews after.

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 24 16:15:13 2025
    On 30/05/25 16:38, Robert Woodward wrote:
    snippage
    The second novel I read was _The Ministry of Time_ by Kaliane Bradley https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/full-time-help).
    one). The ministry of time has yanked five people from the past who were doomed to die; the most prominent (e.g., there is a Wikipedia article
    for him) was Commander Graham Gore from the Franklin Expedition. The
    unnamed principal narrator (while many conversations are given verbatim,
    the ones where her name is mentioned are merely summarized) is hired to
    be the ³bridge² for Graham Gore to the modern world.

    He is a militarist Victorian and she has Cambodian parents. Both are
    refugees, he from an earlier culture, she from a foreign culture and to
    me, this was the emphasis in the book with only handwavium attention
    paid to the rules and science of time travel. I enjoyed it and recommend
    it though would not vote it for an award.
    Further to James' review, I have read the five star The Terror by Dan
    Simmons which details the plight of a ship's crew experiencing the same situation and choosing the same options as the Franklin Expedition. That
    was the whole book, a horror story. At the conclusion, I decided that
    the "Terror" was a product of delusion caused by starvation and cold and
    that there was no supernatural element but Simmons left that open.

    On 30/05/25 16:38, Robert Woodward wrote:
    "The third novel I read was _Alien Clay_ by Adrian Tchaikovsky (James
    NicollÂıs review can be found at https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/always-burning

    To begin with I thought there was too much time spent on exposition and
    musings on ecology and biology but became fascinated with the latter.
    The best of the Novels. (I haven't read the Vernon, Bennet nor the other Tchaikovsky.)

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