Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:11 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
IIRC, there are international treaties about the non-militarization of
Space. Just as there are for Antarctica. China may simply be objecting
to a plan that violates those treaties. Or not, as the case may be.
This is the same China that blew a satellite in LEO with another killer
satellite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle#Anti-satellite_trials
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>> of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65 million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.ÿ That
is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
In article <SwLXP.1070635$C51b.70661@fx17.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>> of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
And seniors vote in the USA.
On Thu, 22 May 2025 15:19:21 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>>> of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part. Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65
million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. That
is a huge voting block. And seniors vote in the USA.
That's the common belief -- and I share it.
But it presupposes that the Republican Party is /sane/.
Which isn't so bad a presupposition as such, but since Trump controls
the Republican Party, it presupposes that /Trump/ is sane.
Which some of find to be rather dubious.
On Thu, 22 May 2025 15:19:21 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>>> of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part. Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65
million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. That
is a huge voting block. And seniors vote in the USA.
That's the common belief -- and I share it.
But it presupposes that the Republican Party is /sane/.
Which isn't so bad a presupposition as such, but since Trump controls
the Republican Party, it presupposes that /Trump/ is sane.
Which some of find to be rather dubious.
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>> of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65 million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.ÿ That
is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
In article <SwLXP.1070635$C51b.70661@fx17.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>> of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65
million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.ÿ That
is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-
cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65
million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.
That is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out.ÿ And for sanity.
Lynn
On 5/22/2025 4:47 PM, James Nicoll wrote:and in other dangerous and unhealthy jobs. In case you had not heard
In article <SwLXP.1070635$C51b.70661@fx17.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
We are not China where the families sell their young teens to the
factories for $5,000.ÿ At least, not yet.
Lynn
No we send our young teens to work in poultry packing plants
On 5/24/25 12:16, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:47 PM, James Nicoll wrote:and in other dangerous and unhealthy jobs.ÿ In case you had not heard Southern states particularly are repealing Child Labor laws, after all what is there to do with all that learning after the 8th Grade?
In article <SwLXP.1070635$C51b.70661@fx17.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-
cuts/
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
We are not China where the families sell their young teens to the
factories for $5,000.ÿ At least, not yet.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ No we send our young teens to work in poultry packing plants
ÿÿÿÿbliss
On 5/24/2025 2:58 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 5/24/25 12:16, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:47 PM, James Nicoll wrote:and in other dangerous and unhealthy jobs.ÿ In case you had not heard
In article <SwLXP.1070635$C51b.70661@fx17.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare- >>>>> cuts/
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
We are not China where the families sell their young teens to the
factories for $5,000.ÿ At least, not yet.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ No we send our young teens to work in poultry packing plants
Southern states particularly are repealing Child Labor laws, after all
what
is there to do with all that learning after the 8th Grade?
ÿÿÿÿÿbliss
Somebody has to work those poultry plant jobs.ÿ At least they are paid $16/hour and get to go home at night.ÿ Or the morning if they are
working the graveyard shift, been there, done that driving home 35 miles east into the rising Sun at 730am.
Lynn
On 5/24/25 13:43, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/24/2025 2:58 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 5/24/25 12:16, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:47 PM, James Nicoll wrote:and in other dangerous and unhealthy jobs.ÿ In case you had not heard
In article <SwLXP.1070635$C51b.70661@fx17.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting >>>>>> of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-
medicare- cuts/
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
We are not China where the families sell their young teens to the
factories for $5,000.ÿ At least, not yet.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ No we send our young teens to work in poultry packing plants
Southern states particularly are repealing Child Labor laws, after
all what
is there to do with all that learning after the 8th Grade?
ÿÿÿÿÿbliss
Somebody has to work those poultry plant jobs.ÿ At least they are paid
$16/hour and get to go home at night.ÿ Or the morning if they are
working the graveyard shift, been there, done that driving home 35
miles east into the rising Sun at 730am.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿWhen you worked at theÿ poultry plant were you 12 years old Lynn?
ÿÿÿÿKids belong in school even if they do not think so.ÿ Someone was working at the poultry packing plants but ICE carried them away to
rot in San Salvador.
I was working in my family's restaurant peeling potatoes and washing
dishes, pots
and pans when I was 12 -18 but that was in the 1940s and 1950s.
But that was in the summer and
after school if some of what I was good at needed doing.
ÿÿÿÿbliss
On Sat, 24 May 2025 14:18:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/ >>>>
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65
million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.ÿ That >>>> is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out. And for sanity.
Well, they made a /big/ mistake. Sanity is definitely lacking.
Or has DOGE actually referred /anyone/ for investigation of fraud?
Has DOGE even discovered any actual fraud?
So far, DOGE is just another Nothingburger.
On 5/25/2025 9:15 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2025 14:18:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting >>>>>> of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-
medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million >>>>> people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65 >>>>> million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.ÿ That >>>>> is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out.ÿ And for sanity.
Well, they made a /big/ mistake. Sanity is definitely lacking.
Or has DOGE actually referred /anyone/ for investigation of fraud?
Has DOGE even discovered any actual fraud?
So far, DOGE is just another Nothingburger.
DOGE has actually increased government expenditures with all the
lawsuits, re-hirings, etc. that their actions caused.ÿ And if you look
at the pattern of what they _actually_ did it appears that the whole
thing was intended to get Musk's AI access to confidential government records.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
1. DOGE famously marked a very large number of records "deceased"
because of the age of SSN-holder. This may have clarified some things.
Sadly, the SSA was not sending payments to them.
In a lot of cases, those records were listed as having a birthday of
May 20, 1875, and this was used by some of the DOGE folks to claim great
and massive fraud. Unfortunately this happens to be the beginning of
epoch for ANSI COBOL format dates, and it's normally used as a semaphore
to indicate a missing date.
Not that someone shouldn't investigate why dates were missing, but that response is different than the response that was created.
I am certainly in favor of having independent third-party auditors look
over government systems in search of waste. But first of all they need
to be actually independent, and secondly they need to understand the
systems they are looking at.
--scott
On 5/25/2025 4:32 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
DOGE has actually increased government expenditures with all the
lawsuits, re-hirings, etc. that their actions caused.ÿ And if you look
at the pattern of what they _actually_ did it appears that the whole
thing was intended to get Musk's AI access to confidential government
records.
Numbers please from a reputable source.
On 5/24/25 12:18, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare- >>>>> cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers),
65 million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving.
That is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out.ÿ And for sanity.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿSanity brought the stock market down?
ÿÿÿÿThe thieves are the now the mal-administration.
ÿÿÿÿThey only rob from the poores to give to the richest in our new
Gilded Age.
ÿÿÿÿWould that be Hood Donald of Manhattan
ÿÿÿÿThe most corrupt administration yet to be seen.
ÿÿÿÿBut that is just my opinion.
ÿÿÿÿbliss
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:13:37 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/24/2025 2:54 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 5/24/25 12:18, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts >>>>>>> a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting >>>>>>> of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare- >>>>>>> cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million >>>>>> people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), >>>>>> 65 million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. >>>>>> That is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out.ÿ And for sanity.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿSanity brought the stock market down?
ÿÿÿÿThe thieves are the now the mal-administration.
ÿÿÿÿThey only rob from the poores to give to the richest in our new
Gilded Age.
ÿÿÿÿWould that be Hood Donald of Manhattan
ÿÿÿÿThe most corrupt administration yet to be seen.
ÿÿÿÿBut that is just my opinion.
ÿÿÿÿbliss
Sorry but no. Trump is trying to fix the sins of the last 30 years but
I do not think that they are fixable. Congress is trying to spend even
more money than we don't have.
If he were doing /that/, he would be insisting on taxing the rich to
reduce the National Debt. And shore up Social Security.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:13:37 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/24/2025 2:54 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 5/24/25 12:18, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States.ÿ Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention.ÿ The just passed big ugly bill cuts >>>>>>> a half-trillion dollars fromÿ medicare.ÿ Not to mention the gutting >>>>>>> of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare- >>>>>>> cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part.ÿ Three million >>>>>> people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), >>>>>> 65 million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. >>>>>> That is a huge voting block.ÿ And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out.ÿ And for sanity.
Lynn
ÿÿÿÿSanity brought the stock market down?
ÿÿÿÿThe thieves are the now the mal-administration.
ÿÿÿÿThey only rob from the poores to give to the richest in our new
Gilded Age.
ÿÿÿÿWould that be Hood Donald of Manhattan
ÿÿÿÿThe most corrupt administration yet to be seen.
ÿÿÿÿBut that is just my opinion.
ÿÿÿÿbliss
Sorry but no. Trump is trying to fix the sins of the last 30 years but
I do not think that they are fixable. Congress is trying to spend even
more money than we don't have.
If he were doing /that/, he would be insisting on taxing the rich to
reduce the National Debt. And shore up Social Security.
But he is doing the opposite. And the Republicans are using their
control of Congress to support him in this.
Bad times are coming. There is a documentary already written about the
economic collapse of the USA: "The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047" by
Lionel Shriver
https://www.amazon.com/Mandibles-Family-2029-2047-Lionel-Shriver/dp/0062328247
The disaster starts in 2029. Yup, just under four years from now.
Better have a plan.
And 100 years since the Crash.
Let me guess: after a Depression, war breaks out in Europe and East
Asia, and the US digs itself out of the hole by joining in to help the
good guys win it. Sounds familiar.
OK, that doesn't match the Amazon description. The only problem with accepting the description is that yesterday I rented a movie
/PSYCHO-PASS: Providence (Original Japanese Version)/ <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DWZFH1YT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_318_o02?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
whose Amazon description was for some other movie, not the one I saw.
IMDb <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26224944/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_1_nm_0_in_0_q_PSYCHO-PASS%253A%2520Providence%2520(Original%2520Japa>
describes what I saw. So Amazon descriptions are now ... questionable.
But if it's well-written, it may still be worth looking at.
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich
will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle class to death.ÿ And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the
rich will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the
middle class to death.ÿ And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
In 1993 the Canadian federal government debt was 12.2 percent of GDP.
The net government debt was far worse, as our provinces were far deeper
in debt than your states are allowed to be.
The currency was so weak we began to call it the "Zloty".
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
This was done with some tax hikes, some spending cuts, many spending freezes, and a growing economy.ÿ There were protests, of course, there
was anger.ÿ But it happened and the Liberals remained in power for
twelve years.
Currently the US federal deficit is about 15% of GDP, but your states
are in much better shape than our provinces were.ÿ And while we couldn't squeeze much out of defense cuts you can cut tens of billions and it
will just be a pinprick.
You can beat this without an apocalypse, without firing the people in
charge of your nuclear weapons, without cutting off HIV meds to hundreds
of thousands of poor people, without even taxing the rich a whole lot more.
You need time, a growing economy, some fiscal restraint, some tax
increases.ÿ And patience.
If you do this, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
Though certain writers will need to find a different theme.
William Hyde
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:16:04 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich
will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle
class to death.ÿ And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
In 1993 the Canadian federal government debt was 12.2 percent of GDP.
The net government debt was far worse, as our provinces were far deeper
in debt than your states are allowed to be.
The currency was so weak we began to call it the "Zloty".
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had
surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
This was done with some tax hikes, some spending cuts, many spending
freezes, and a growing economy. There were protests, of course, there
was anger. But it happened and the Liberals remained in power for
twelve years.
Currently the US federal deficit is about 15% of GDP, but your states
are in much better shape than our provinces were. And while we couldn't
squeeze much out of defense cuts you can cut tens of billions and it
will just be a pinprick.
You can beat this without an apocalypse, without firing the people in
charge of your nuclear weapons, without cutting off HIV meds to hundreds
of thousands of poor people, without even taxing the rich a whole lot more. >>
You need time, a growing economy, some fiscal restraint, some tax
increases. And patience.
If you do this, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
Though certain writers will need to find a different theme.
But neither major Party is interested. That sort of thing just isn't
sexy enough.
Our problems run much deeper than mere economics.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:16:04 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich >>>> will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle >>>> class to death.ÿ And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
Should have said "deficit" there, rather than debt.
In 1993 the Canadian federal government debt was 12.2 percent of GDP.
The net government debt was far worse, as our provinces were far deeper
in debt than your states are allowed to be.
The currency was so weak we began to call it the "Zloty".
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had
surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
Again, "defect".ÿ I really should proofread these.
On 03/06/2025 18:55, William Hyde wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:16:04 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the
rich
will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the
middle
class to death.ÿ And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
Should have said "deficit" there, rather than debt.
In 1993 the Canadian federal government debt was 12.2 percent of GDP.
The net government debt was far worse, as our provinces were far deeper >>>> in debt than your states are allowed to be.
The currency was so weak we began to call it the "Zloty".
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had
surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
Again, "defect".ÿ I really should proofread these.
Deficit?
or liabilities exceed income or assets."
In government, deficit means borrowing money,
i.e. increasing your debt.ÿ If you have a lot
of debt, then borrowing more money is hard
to justify.
A government can just print more money, yes.
But it seems to be generally believed that that
doesn't work.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 13:55:46 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Let us never forget the career of E. Scrydgemour, who ran as the
temperance party candidate against Winston Churchill, and lost six times
in succession. But on the seventh, he won. That which is declared
impossible in politics can happen.
Never heard of him. That would be for Churchill's seat in Parliament,
right?
Our problems run much deeper than mere economics.
Problems tend to be connected. Reduce one problem's severity and it
will have a good effect on other problems.
My point is that just talking about the economics won't work. The last
decade or two are proof enough of that. The problem is much more
fundamental, and it needs to be identified and addressed.
I think a point to keep a grasp on is that
government debt is a liability, one that
when created, doesn't go away by itself.
It sits there and costs you money each year.
Deficit is extra debt this year added onto
last year's debt.
any deficit, you still have the debt that
had already.ÿ And you had to pay interest
on this debt.
This description overlooks how economic
inflation makes debt smaller in practical
terms.ÿ If the national debt is so many
dollars and is equivalent to a very large
hill of beans, then one year later, the
same value in dollars usually is equal to a
slightly smaller hill of beans.ÿ So, inflation
makes debt go away.ÿ But this isn't a very
good solution, either.ÿ It's pretty much
The same as the other not-good solution.
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