• Re: Easiest Summer Reading List Ever!

    From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 23 15:08:50 2025
    In article <100n4aj$3esfe$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/22/25 1:02 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <m96ho6Fq177U1@mid.individual.net>,
    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:


    After a segue into fictional titles mentioned in fiction...


    Maybe a better list would be

    The Necronomicon

    The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

    Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie

    Misery's Return

    I am afraid that I don't recognize the 3rd and 4th titles.

    The 3rd is from the comic strip Calvin & Hobbes. It's a nighttime book
    that Calvin's Dad has read to him a thousand times, but Calvin still insists.

    The 4th is from Stephen King's "Misery". When the author of a popular
    series kills the protagonist (Misery), a deranged fan kidnaps the author
    and forces him to write "Misery's Return".


    I can add
    another title, _Dire Dawn_ (though I suspect that not many people have
    read the novel that mentioned it)


    Where does that one come from?
    Tony

    H. Beam Piper's _Ullr Uprising_, see https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?540473

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  • From Tony Nance@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 23 23:43:22 2025
    On 5/22/25 1:50 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 21/05/2025 12.44, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <100l2ks$2ubig$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance˙ <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/21/25 12:55 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <100kria$2r2j0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance˙ <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:

    A national media conglomerate[1] put out a summer reading list,
    aided by
    AI. But...

    "In fact, only the last five of the 15 novels on the list are real." >>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chicago-sun-times-ai-reading-list/

    For example:
    - Since only 5 of them actually exist, you're done when you read those
    5. If you want to read more than 5 books, you can choose whatever you
    want to read for book 6 and beyond.


    Maybe a better list would be

    ˙˙˙˙The Necronomicon

    ˙˙˙˙The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

    ˙˙˙˙Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie

    ˙˙˙˙Misery's Return

    Douglas Adams refers repeatedly to _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_
    (an ebook) in the novel of the same name, and in its successors.

    In Poul Anderson's massive future history, Hloch of Stormgate Choth (on Avalon) wrote their _Earh Book_, which gave its name to a real-life collection of tales in that setting.

    In John Brunner's _Stand on Zanzibar_, Chad Mulligan wrote _The
    Hipcrime Vocab_, which plays a prominent role in the story.

    (RAH mentions "Boyd and Asimov" in, I believe, _Have Spacesuit, Will
    Travel_, but that's a real textbook.)

    Frank Herbert's _Dune_ features quotes from _The Orange Catholic Bible_.

    HPL and Clark Ashton Smith both refer to _The Necronomicon_

    There are a couple of works mentioned in Doc Smith:
    - _Some Observations Upon Certain Properties of Certain Metals,
    ˙ Including Trans-Uranic Elements_, Richard Ballinger Seaton (non-fiction)
    - Sybly Whyte's pot-boiler never, as far as I can recall, got a name

    I'd bet that _The Name of the Rose_ has a few titles, but I don't feel
    like skimming it. What about Borges (whom I've never read), or PKD?


    Nice list!

    Speaking of Dune, there's also all the stuff quoted from Princess
    Irulan's "Manual of Muad Dib" (or whatever she called it).

    There's also The Encyclopedia Galactica from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation books.

    "The Princess Bride" is the "good parts" version of a longer work by S Morganstern.

    And I think "There and Back Again" from The Lord of the Rings fits.

    Tony




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  • From Tony Nance@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 23 23:44:42 2025
    On 5/23/25 1:08 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <100n4aj$3esfe$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/22/25 1:02 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <m96ho6Fq177U1@mid.individual.net>,
    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:


    After a segue into fictional titles mentioned in fiction...


    Maybe a better list would be

    The Necronomicon

    The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

    Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie

    Misery's Return

    I am afraid that I don't recognize the 3rd and 4th titles.

    The 3rd is from the comic strip Calvin & Hobbes. It's a nighttime book
    that Calvin's Dad has read to him a thousand times, but Calvin still
    insists.

    The 4th is from Stephen King's "Misery". When the author of a popular
    series kills the protagonist (Misery), a deranged fan kidnaps the author
    and forces him to write "Misery's Return".


    I can add
    another title, _Dire Dawn_ (though I suspect that not many people have
    read the novel that mentioned it)


    Where does that one come from?
    Tony

    H. Beam Piper's _Ullr Uprising_, see https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?540473


    Ah, thank you. That's one of his I've never read.
    - Tony


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat May 24 01:22:47 2025
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 18:29:44 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    On 2025-05-22, Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

    Maybe a better list would be
    =20
    The Necronomicon
    The Grasshopper Lies Heavy
    Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie
    Misery's Return

    Douglas Adams refers repeatedly to _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_
    (an ebook) in the novel of the same name, and in its successors.
    [...]

    Then there is Kilgore Trout's _Venus on the Half-Shell_.

    I actually owned that in MMPB for a while, but I had space problems so
    I donated it to the Base Library.

    No, really. It is part of an obscure sub-genre that includes /The Iron
    Dream/ by A. Schikelgruber. Which I also owned a MMPB of, only to
    eventually donate it.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Robert Carnegie@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat May 24 04:51:36 2025
    On 21/05/2025 18:58, Tony Nance wrote:
    On 5/21/25 1:44 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <100l2ks$2ubig$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance˙ <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/21/25 12:55 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <100kria$2r2j0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance˙ <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:

    A national media conglomerate[1] put out a summer reading list,
    aided by
    AI. But...

    "In fact, only the last five of the 15 novels on the list are real." >>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chicago-sun-times-ai-reading-list/ >>>>>

    Easiest, or... hardest?

    I see your point, but optimist that I am, I'm gonna stick to "easiest".

    For example:
    - Since only 5 of them actually exist, you're done when you read those
    5. If you want to read more than 5 books, you can choose whatever you
    want to read for book 6 and beyond.

    - If you've been assigned this list for the summer[1], any reports you
    write for the 10 nonexistent ones will not have content mistakes![2]

    Tony
    [1] Back in the day, at least, some places used
    national/pre-packaged/external lists to assign summer reading - for
    example, say, lists that were provided by national media conglomerates.

    [2] Though of course, everything else teachers evaluate is still fair
    game.


    Maybe a better list would be

    ˙˙˙˙The Necronomicon

    ˙˙˙˙The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

    ˙˙˙˙Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie

    ˙˙˙˙Misery's Return


    Ha! I'd read #3 in a heartbeat, as well as all its sequels.

    #3 is bedtime reading for "Calvin and Hobbes",
    so you don't read it once, but night after night,
    forever. (Or until the sequel, at least.)
    Still want to?

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  • From Robert Carnegie@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat May 24 05:01:45 2025
    On 21/05/2025 16:30, Tony Nance wrote:

    A national media conglomerate[1] put out a summer reading list, aided by
    AI. But...

    "In fact, only the last five of the 15 novels on the list are real." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chicago-sun-times-ai-reading-list/

    Fake Andy Weir, but real Rad Bradbury.
    Tony
    [1] "A freelance writer for King Features, a company owned by media conglomerate Hearst, produced the content for distribution in various
    media outlets including the Sun-Times."

    A freelance writer who presumably is having
    trouble getting work now. But who evidently
    had trouble actually doing his work last week.

    Not quite addressed is that an author may
    produce a book befor choosing a title, or
    the title may be different in different
    territories, more so in different languages,
    and even may be changed in a re-issue.
    So if a title doesn't exist in an author's
    oeuvre in the U.S., that doesn't mean that
    !it exists nowhere.

    However, as noted, one of the stories mentioned
    was written by a different author. Well, that
    happens in reality, one way and another.


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  • From Michael F. Stemper@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 00:42:52 2025
    On 23/05/2025 10.22, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 18:29:44 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2025-05-22, Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

    Douglas Adams refers repeatedly to _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_
    (an ebook) in the novel of the same name, and in its successors.
    [...]

    Then there is Kilgore Trout's _Venus on the Half-Shell_.

    I actually owned that in MMPB for a while,

    I still do.

    No, really. It is part of an obscure sub-genre that includes /The Iron
    Dream/ by A. Schikelgruber. Which I also owned a MMPB of,

    ditto

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    87.3% of all statistics are made up by the person giving them.


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  • From Michael F. Stemper@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 01:01:12 2025
    On 23/05/2025 08.43, Tony Nance wrote:
    On 5/22/25 1:50 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    Douglas Adams refers repeatedly to _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_
    (an ebook) in the novel of the same name, and in its successors.

    In Poul Anderson's massive future history, Hloch of Stormgate Choth (on
    Avalon) wrote their _Earh Book_, which gave its name to a real-life
    collection of tales in that setting.

    In John Brunner's _Stand on Zanzibar_, Chad Mulligan wrote _The
    Hipcrime Vocab_, which plays a prominent role in the story.

    (RAH mentions "Boyd and Asimov" in, I believe, _Have Spacesuit, Will
    Travel_, but that's a real textbook.)

    Frank Herbert's _Dune_ features quotes from _The Orange Catholic Bible_.

    HPL and Clark Ashton Smith both refer to _The Necronomicon_

    There are a couple of works mentioned in Doc Smith:
    - _Some Observations Upon Certain Properties of Certain Metals,
    ˙˙ Including Trans-Uranic Elements_, Richard Ballinger Seaton (non-fiction) >> - Sybly Whyte's pot-boiler never, as far as I can recall, got a name

    I'd bet that _The Name of the Rose_ has a few titles, but I don't feel
    like skimming it. What about Borges (whom I've never read), or PKD?


    Nice list!

    Thanks!

    Speaking of Dune, there's also all the stuff quoted from Princess Irulan's "Manual of Muad Dib" (or whatever she called it).

    There's also The Encyclopedia Galactica from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation books.

    A couple of good catches there.

    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an image of a bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to recovering
    it, though.


    "The Princess Bride" is the "good parts" version of a longer work by S Morganstern.

    And I think "There and Back Again" from The Lord of the Rings fits.

    That's just a sub-title for _The Hobbit_. Maybe _The Red Book of Westmarch_, though.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    I refuse to believe that a corporation is a person until Texas executes one.


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 02:22:54 2025
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 10:01:12 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 23/05/2025 08.43, Tony Nance wrote:
    On 5/22/25 1:50 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    Douglas Adams refers repeatedly to _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_
    (an ebook) in the novel of the same name, and in its successors.

    In Poul Anderson's massive future history, Hloch of Stormgate Choth =
    (on
    Avalon) wrote their _Earh Book_, which gave its name to a real-life
    collection of tales in that setting.

    In John Brunner's _Stand on Zanzibar_, Chad Mulligan wrote _The
    Hipcrime Vocab_, which plays a prominent role in the story.

    (RAH mentions "Boyd and Asimov" in, I believe, _Have Spacesuit, Will
    Travel_, but that's a real textbook.)

    Frank Herbert's _Dune_ features quotes from _The Orange Catholic =
    Bible_.

    HPL and Clark Ashton Smith both refer to _The Necronomicon_

    There are a couple of works mentioned in Doc Smith:
    - _Some Observations Upon Certain Properties of Certain Metals,
    =A0=A0 Including Trans-Uranic Elements_, Richard Ballinger Seaton = (non-fiction)
    - Sybly Whyte's pot-boiler never, as far as I can recall, got a name

    I'd bet that _The Name of the Rose_ has a few titles, but I don't =
    feel
    like skimming it. What about Borges (whom I've never read), or PKD?

    =20
    Nice list!

    Thanks!

    Speaking of Dune, there's also all the stuff quoted from Princess =
    Irulan's "Manual of Muad Dib" (or whatever she called it).
    =20
    There's also The Encyclopedia Galactica=A0from Isaac Asimov=92s =
    Foundation books.

    A couple of good catches there.

    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an =
    image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to = recovering
    it, though.

    I think we had a discussion about the "staging" technique of identical
    "books" sorted by spine color some time back.

    "The Princess Bride" is the "good parts" version of a longer work by S=
    Morganstern.
    =20
    And I think "There and Back Again" from The Lord of the Rings fits.

    That's just a sub-title for _The Hobbit_. Maybe _The Red Book of =
    Westmarch_, though.

    It's what Bilbo called it.=20

    We have a fair amount of the Red Book, of course, in translation
    thanks to the efforts of JRR Tolkien.
    --=20
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 03:44:53 2025
    On 2025-05-24, Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to recovering
    it, though.

    Didn't Michael Crichton include fictional sources in the bibliographies
    at the end of some of his books?

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Stephen Harker@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 06:36:12 2025
    "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:

    On 23/05/2025 08.43, Tony Nance wrote:
    On 5/22/25 1:50 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    [,,,]
    Nice list!
    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to recovering
    it, though.

    "The Princess Bride" is the "good parts" version of a longer work
    by S Morganstern.
    And I think "There and Back Again" from The Lord of the Rings fits.

    That's just a sub-title for _The Hobbit_. Maybe _The Red Book of
    Westmarch_, though.

    Jack Vance's Gaean Reach books often refer to a variety of books, in particularby Navarth (who appears in _The Palace of Love_) , _The Book
    of Dreams_ by Howard Allan Treesong (most notably inVances novel _The
    Book of Dreams) and works by Baron Bodissey.

    --
    Stephen Harker sjharker@aussiebroadband.com.au

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  • From Robert Carnegie@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 09:00:07 2025
    On 24/05/2025 16:01, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an
    image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to recovering
    it, though.
    Do you mean, a bookshelf that appears to contain
    books which are only titles mentioned in reasonably
    well-known fiction? Like Terry Pratchett's
    "Necrotelicomnicon" / "Liber Paginarum Fulvarum"
    (Book of Yellow Pages).

    Its wiki entry digresses that "Ye Tantric Booke of
    Sexe Magicke" is kept in a refrigerated cell at the
    bottom of a vat of crushed ice. So, shouldn't be
    on the shelf, unless seen smouldering.

    On the other hand, characters in Phil and Kaja
    Foglio's _Girl Genius_ webcomic are ardent
    bibliophiles. If not in the story, then
    some out-of-sequence illustrations, I think,
    had interesting book titles, either their own,
    or borrowed from Asimov etc. But the comic is in
    thousands of pages.

    Here's the start of an out-of-sequence story
    involving dragons and librarians - dragons also
    are bibliophiles, it seems. Anything you can
    ?horse, I suppose. But light on book titles near
    the start.
    <https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20220826>

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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 15:04:42 2025
    In article <100tj1p$vln7$1@dont-email.me>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/05/2025 16:01, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an
    image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to recovering
    it, though.
    Do you mean, a bookshelf that appears to contain
    books which are only titles mentioned in reasonably
    well-known fiction? Like Terry Pratchett's
    "Necrotelicomnicon" / "Liber Paginarum Fulvarum"
    (Book of Yellow Pages).

    Its wiki entry digresses that "Ye Tantric Booke of
    Sexe Magicke" is kept in a refrigerated cell at the
    bottom of a vat of crushed ice. So, shouldn't be
    on the shelf, unless seen smouldering.

    On the other hand, characters in Phil and Kaja
    Foglio's _Girl Genius_ webcomic are ardent
    bibliophiles. If not in the story, then
    some out-of-sequence illustrations, I think,
    had interesting book titles, either their own,
    or borrowed from Asimov etc. But the comic is in
    thousands of pages.

    Here's the start of an out-of-sequence story
    involving dragons and librarians - dragons also
    are bibliophiles, it seems. Anything you can
    ?horse, I suppose. But light on book titles near
    the start.
    <https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20220826>

    Then there is Gil's library in Castle Wulfenbach, much earlier in the
    series, see <https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040204>
    and <https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040206>.

    For that matter, there is also the library in Castle Heterodyne, see <https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ggmain/doublespreads/ggcoll11_005_006.h


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  • From Tony Nance@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun May 25 22:42:39 2025
    On 5/24/25 11:01 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 23/05/2025 08.43, Tony Nance wrote:
    On 5/22/25 1:50 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    ˙Douglas Adams refers repeatedly to _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_
    (an ebook) in the novel of the same name, and in its successors.

    In Poul Anderson's massive future history, Hloch of Stormgate Choth (on
    Avalon) wrote their _Earh Book_, which gave its name to a real-life
    collection of tales in that setting.

    In John Brunner's _Stand on Zanzibar_, Chad Mulligan wrote _The
    Hipcrime Vocab_, which plays a prominent role in the story.

    (RAH mentions "Boyd and Asimov" in, I believe, _Have Spacesuit, Will
    Travel_, but that's a real textbook.)

    Frank Herbert's _Dune_ features quotes from _The Orange Catholic Bible_. >>>
    HPL and Clark Ashton Smith both refer to _The Necronomicon_

    There are a couple of works mentioned in Doc Smith:
    - _Some Observations Upon Certain Properties of Certain Metals,
    ˙˙ Including Trans-Uranic Elements_, Richard Ballinger Seaton (non-
    fiction)
    - Sybly Whyte's pot-boiler never, as far as I can recall, got a name

    I'd bet that _The Name of the Rose_ has a few titles, but I don't feel
    like skimming it. What about Borges (whom I've never read), or PKD?


    Nice list!

    Thanks!

    Speaking of Dune, there's also all the stuff quoted from Princess
    Irulan's "Manual of Muad Dib" (or whatever she called it).

    There's also The Encyclopedia Galactica from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation >> books.

    A couple of good catches there.

    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an
    image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to recovering
    it, though.


    Yes! I remember that too, but I can't find it either.


    "The Princess Bride" is the "good parts" version of a longer work by S
    Morganstern.

    And I think "There and Back Again" from The Lord of the Rings fits.

    That's just a sub-title for _The Hobbit_. Maybe _The Red Book of
    Westmarch_, though.


    Ah yes - thank you.
    Tony


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  • From Jay Morris@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon May 26 05:40:57 2025
    On 5/25/2025 6:42 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
    I would have sworn that, some years back, somebody linked here to an
    image of a
    bookshelf filled with fictitious titles. My search skills aren't up to
    recovering
    it, though.


    Yes! I remember that too, but I can't find it either.

    Charles Dickens used a bookshelf full of fictitious books with titles
    he'd made up to hide a door.

    https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/books/features/fake-books-charles-dickens-tavistock-house-a8490981.html

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