Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-09 4:49 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Romulan Empire centered on two
The fourth and final Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, Star Trek:
Nemesis, put a nail in the coffin of what wasat the timea dying Star Trek
franchise. Star Trek: Nemesis saw Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart)
confront a younger clone of himself,
That doesn’t look anything like him
Shinzon (Tom Hardy), who had been
created by Romulans to secretly replace Picard.
Who he doesn’t look anything like
Shinzon had been discarded to
the mines of Remus
Hey! Look! They got the name of the planet wrong!
planets, Romulus and Remus, which (probably not coincidentally) are the
names of the founder of Ancient Rome here on Earth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus
I haven't seen all of the movies or all of the series but isn't a two
planet base for the Romulan Empire mentioned in one of them? Or am I
muddling mythology and Star Trek lore?
The first time we ever see the Romulans in Star Trek TOS “ Balance of Terror“ we also see this map which subsequent tricks got wrong
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSELhX7B6AKQfU2PsmyGRbkM_pXBALMXKlEsw&s
Note that the name of the second planet is ROMII.
“Remus“ is just another TNG mistake.
There are multiple fan wanks for this. One is that Remus is the third
planet in the system. The one they don’t talk about. The other is that Remus is an alternate name for Romii. But the real answer is the TNG just
got it wrong.
before becoming the new Romulan Praetor to exact his
revenge. Star Trek: Nemesis' subplot featured the discovery of B-4 (Brent >>>It took Spiner almost 37 seconds to come up with the name of that
character, but he did break for coffee in the middle of that.
Spiner), an inferior Soong-type android built before Lt. Commander Data >>>> (Brent Spiner).
In theory, Star Trek: Nemesis' high-stakes cinematic action, with a
screenplay and story by Academy Award-nominated John Logan with Brent Spiner,
was designed to draw casual moviegoers. Further, Star Trek: Nemesis' themes
of identity and duality in its Picard and Data storylines were supposed to >>>> create that cerebral Star Trek touch. In practice, Star Trek: Nemesis fell >>>> apart by packing its 1 hour and 57 minute runtime with more style than >>>> substance. Star Trek: Insurrection's lukewarm reception soured suits on >>>> Jonathan Frakes taking the helm again, but franchise newcomer Stuart Baird >>>> directed Nemesis like a Star Trek movie that was afraid to be Star Trek, >>>> leaving Star Trek: The Next Generation's beloved ensemble rudderless and >>>> inconsistent.
Star Trek: Nemesis Ending Explained
Captain Picard And Lt. Commander Data Team Up To Destroy Shinzon
Star Trek: Nemesis ends with a face-off between the USS Enterprise-E and >>>> Shinzon's massive starship, the Scimitar. Shinzon vowed to take revenge by >>>> using deadly thalaron radiation to wipe out all life on Earth, which the >>>> Enterprise must prevent at all costs. Romulan Commander Donatra (Dina Meyer)
arrives to help the Enterprise, not Shinzon, citing "internal security". >>>> While the Scimitar is distracted by Donatra's Warbirds, Counselor Deanna Troi
(Marina Sirtis) empathically locates Shinzon's cloaked ship, and opens fire.
The Enterprise is outgunned, however, and Remans board the ship to seize what
Shinzon truly wants: Captain Picard.
There have been thirteen Star Trek movies over the last 40 years, but which
is the boldest big-screen adventure to go where no man has gone before? >>>>
Rather than suffer more casualties, Picard yields to Reman capture,
Because that’s what Picard does best. Surrender.
while
Data crosses the space between the Enterprise and Scimitar's open hulls. As
the thalaron emitter charges, Shinzon and Jean-Luc meet in single combat, >>>> with Picard victoriously spearing Shinzon, who's consumed by his own hubris.
Data places an emergency transport key on his captain and beams Picard back
to the Enterprise, before Data destroys the thalaraon emitter, sacrificing >>>> himself in the process. Data's memory is celebrated on the Enterprise-E, and
Donatra promises Picard a friend in the Romulan Empire.
Shinzon's determination to find and unleash the darkness in Picard's heart is
his own downfall,
At the end of Star Trek: Nemesis, Shinzon's determination to find and unleash
the darkness in Picard's heart is his own downfall. Shinzon and Picard share
DNA and a sense of justice for the downtrodden, but Shinzon insists that >>>> Jean-Luc would be as megalomaniacal as Shinzon is had Picard also been raised
in the darkness of the Reman mines. Picard's equally steadfast insistence >>>> that Shinzon is capable of doing good only proves how alike they are, instead
of supporting the movie's stated point that their backgrounds make them >>>> different.
At the end of Star Trek: Nemesis, Lieutenant Commander Data heroically >>>> sacrifices himself to destroy Shinzon's thalaron emitter and save all life on
Earth. Data's act of bravery ensures the Federation's survival, but
ultimately contributes to Star Trek: Nemesis' reputation as a franchise- >>>> killer. Compared to Spock's (Leonard Nimoy) death in Star Trek II: The Wrath
of Khan, Data's death rings hollow. Unlike The Wrath of Khan building to >>>> Spock's sacrifice, Nemesis doesn't have a narrative throughline that supports
Data's decision, and his replacement is already lined up in B-4.
Datas death in Star Trek: Nemesis was supposed to provide the film with an
emotional climax, but it was an unworthy end to a much beloved character. >>>>
Brent Spiner co-wrote Star Trek: Nemesis' story with John Logan, creating his
own graceful exit from Star Trek by killing off Data. As an android, Data >>>> wasn't supposed to age, and Spiner's advancing years were becoming more >>>> difficult to mask with Data's makeup. Star Trek: Nemesis ended with B-4 in >>>> possession of Data's memories on the USS Enterprise-E, however, leaving the
door open for Spiner's return in a future Star Trek: The Next Generation >>>> movie.
Star Trek: Nemesis set up a potential fifth Star Trek: The Next Generation >>>> movie that never happened. Conceptualized by Nemesis screenwriter John Logan
and Brent Spiner, the final TNG movie would have been a crossover between >>>> Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and Star Trek: >>>> Voyager. Characters from all three TNG-era Star Trek series were slated to >>>> join forces against a massive threat that only a team-up between Star Trek's
finest could thwart.
OK, the characters in VOYAGER can be called many things but “finest“ is >>> definitely not one of them.
Just as Star Trek Generations passed the franchise to
the TNG cast, the Nemesis follow-up would have led to DS9 or Voyager movies.
Waning interest in Star Trek as a franchise, low box-office returns, and poor
fan reception led to Star Trek: Nemesis ultimately killing future Star Trek:
The Next Generation movies. As Star Trek: Enterprise's pivot to earlier in >>>> the Star Trek timeline suggested Star Trek might be done with the 24th >>>> century, Star Trek: Nemesis opened to a disappointing US$18.5 million box >>>> office. Ticket sales dropped 76% for Nemesis' second weekend, indicating fans
were dissatisfied with the latest TNG movie. Star Trek: Nemesis closed three
months later, after grossing a woeful $43.25 million domestically.
*********************************************************************
Film Title US & Canada Worldwide Budget
---------- ----------- --------- ------
Star Trek Generations $75,671,125 $118,071,125 $38 million >>>> Star Trek: First Contact $92,027,888 $146,027,888 $46 million >>>> Star Trek: Insurrection $70,187,658 $112,587,658 $70 million >>>> Star Trek: Nemesis $43,254,409 $67,336,470 $60 million >>>> *********************************************************************
Seven years passed before Star Trek returned to cinemas with J.J. Abrams' >>>> 2009 reboot. The Kelvin Timeline Star Trek movies were a change of pace that
combined Abrams' fresh take with nostalgia for Star Trek: The Original >>>> Series. Although Star Trek Into Darkness received mixed reviews, and Star >>>> Trek Beyond was an underrated gem, Abrams' Star Trek movies renewed interest
in the franchise. The Kelvin Timeline paved the way for Star Trek's return to
televisionand a chance to fix the mistakes made by Star Trek: Nemesis. >>>>
Star Trek: Picard fixed Star Trek: Nemesis' mistakes by returning to themes
that Nemesis botched in its delivery. Backed up as a positronic ghost, >>>> Lieutenant Commander Data asked Admiral Picard to grant Data's ultimate wish:
the universal human experience of death. By reframing death as the final step
in becoming human, Star Trek: Picard gave Data's death the meaning it lacked
in Star Trek: Nemesis. Data's legacy lived on in the highly advanced synth,
Soji Asha (Isa Briones), instead of B-4, while Picard's new mirror was Jean-
Luc and Beverly Crusher's son, Jack Crusher (Ed Speleers), instead of
Shinzon.
Star Trek: Picard followed through with Commander Donatra's promise that >>>> Jean-Luc Picard had a friend in the Romulan Empire. Admiral Picard had a >>>> personal investment in evacuating Romulus before the Romulan supernova >>>> destroyed the planet in 2387; this promise ultimately cost Picard his career
when Starfleet called his resignation bluff.
Star Trek: Picard season 3 reunited the Star Trek: The Next Generation cast
for the proper send-off that Star Trek: Nemesis failed to give them. Picard
gave each member of the former USS Enterprise-E crew a spotlight, especially
the characters that Nemesis sidelined, like Captain Worf and Beverly Crusher.
Deanna Troi had more agency in her few Star Trek: Picard appearances than >>>> ever before. Even Data's return was an evolution of his quest for humanity.
Star Trek: Picard allowed Star Trek: The Next Generation to end with the >>>> dignity it deserved instead of being killed by Star Trek: Nemesis.
--
Let's go Brandon!
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-09 4:49 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Romulan Empire centered on two
The fourth and final Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, Star Trek: >>>>> Nemesis, put a nail in the coffin of what wasat the timea dying Star Trek
franchise. Star Trek: Nemesis saw Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart)
confront a younger clone of himself,
That doesn’t look anything like him
Shinzon (Tom Hardy), who had been
created by Romulans to secretly replace Picard.
Who he doesn’t look anything like
Shinzon had been discarded to
the mines of Remus
Hey! Look! They got the name of the planet wrong!
planets, Romulus and Remus, which (probably not coincidentally) are the
names of the founder of Ancient Rome here on Earth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus
I haven't seen all of the movies or all of the series but isn't a two
planet base for the Romulan Empire mentioned in one of them? Or am I
muddling mythology and Star Trek lore?
The first time we ever see the Romulans in Star Trek TOS “ Balance of
Terror“ we also see this map which subsequent tricks got wrong
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSELhX7B6AKQfU2PsmyGRbkM_pXBALMXKlEsw&s
Note that the name of the second planet is ROMII.
“Remus“ is just another TNG mistake.
There are multiple fan wanks for this. One is that Remus is the third
planet in the system. The one they don’t talk about. The other is that
Remus is an alternate name for Romii. But the real answer is the TNG just
got it wrong.
The silliest thing about it all is that an alien civilization many light years from Earth just happened to name themselves and their planets after
two characters from human mythology.
On 2025-01-09 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-09 4:49 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
The fourth and final Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, Star Trek: >>>>>> Nemesis, put a nail in the coffin of what wasat the timea dying >>>>>> Star Trek
franchise. Star Trek: Nemesis saw Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick >>>>>> Stewart)
confront a younger clone of himself,
Germans don't call themselves Germans and they don't call their country Germany: to the Germans, their country is Deutschland and they are
Deutsch, as is their language. It's the same with many native tribes
here in Canada. In BC for eexample, the European explorers and/or
settlers called each tribe something or another whose origin is not
clear to me but nowadays their activists insist on being called by the
name that they call themselves, which are usually unpronounceable in
English (at least to me). (This means we're probably offending them
further and contributing to their animosity by mispronouncing their
correct names.)
So maybe Romulans actually call themselves Flooglurk but translate it to
the Federation term when speaking English.
Op 10-1-2025 om 17:49 schreef Rhino:
On 2025-01-09 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-09 4:49 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
The fourth and final Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, Star >>>>>>> Trek:
Nemesis, put a nail in the coffin of what wasat the timea dying >>>>>>> Star Trek
franchise. Star Trek: Nemesis saw Captain Jean-Luc Picard
(Patrick Stewart)
confront a younger clone of himself,
<snip>
Germans don't call themselves Germans and they don't call their
country Germany: to the Germans, their country is Deutschland and they
are Deutsch, as is their language. It's the same with many native
tribes here in Canada. In BC for eexample, the European explorers and/
or settlers called each tribe something or another whose origin is not
clear to me but nowadays their activists insist on being called by the
name that they call themselves, which are usually unpronounceable in
English (at least to me). (This means we're probably offending them
further and contributing to their animosity by mispronouncing their
correct names.)
So maybe Romulans actually call themselves Flooglurk but translate it
to the Federation term when speaking English.
Novels call them 'Rihannsu'.
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