On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven

Lynn

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On 2026-08-05 05:51:55 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven

Lynn

Andy Weir probably made quite a bit of money selling his books to
Hollyweird for "The Martian" and "Project Hail Mary".

George Lucas got very very rich writing sci-fi thanks to his "little
sideline" called "Star Wars". :-)


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On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.


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Probably because he never wrote any *good* sci-fi ...

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Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

Robert Heinlein

You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.

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For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.

Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.

That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw evidence.

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But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.

Hubbard was definitely not a looney. The people following him might have
been, but Hubbard invented a ridiculous religion in order to make money,
and he made money beyond imagination. The key here is profit, not prophets. --scott

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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire ><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

Robert Heinlein

You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems >squarely science fiction to me.

Even very late Heinlein relies on technology, even if it is pretty badly explained by the time you get to Number of the Beast.
--scott
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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name ><YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.

Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.

At the 1956 Worldcon, he said that the only way to make money under the IRS regulations at the time was to start a religion. And he did start a religion.

Now, one story that you will hear is that he did this after a bet with RAH, but this is pretty likely spurious.

He did remark several times that some of his inspiration came from
talking to RAH, but he never actually had a bet with RAH about starting
a religion.

Why would he? I am sure RAH would not have taken the bet but would have
bet on the winning side anyway. But yet, the story travels around fandom. --scott



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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> writes:

Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire ><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

Robert Heinlein

You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems >squarely science fiction to me.

Two words - Glory Road.

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On 8/5/26 00:19, Your Name wrote:

On 2026-08-05 05:51:55 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven

Lynn

Andy Weir probably made quite a bit of money selling his books to
Hollyweird for "The Martian" and "Project Hail Mary".

George Lucas got very very rich writing sci-fi thanks to his "little sideline" called "Star Wars".ÿ :-)

And you all leave out George R. R. Martin and
"Game of Thrones" which must have put a pretty penny
in his pocket.

But when Hubbard was writing and he wrote
Speculative Fiction he was correct that he would
not get rich doing that. So he wrote a Religion
called the "Science of Dianetics" which became
with slight embellishment "Scientology" which
claims religious status thus tax free in many
regimes.
And i am clear that it is a scam.
Buddhism of most varieties is cheaper.

bliss

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On 8/5/26 03:33, The True Melissa wrote:

Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.

Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.

That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw evidence.

No dare. He wanted to escape taxes.

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On 8/5/2026 1:51 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

J. K. Rowling
Stephen King
Robert Heinlein
David Weber
John Ringo
Jerry Pournelle
Larry Niven

Lynn

Niven, at least, was rich to start with. His
family comes from California oil money.

pt

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On 8/5/2026 6:32 AM, The True Melissa wrote:

Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

Robert Heinlein

You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.

He did both.

Lost Legacy.
Magic Inc.
A lot of Glory Road

I'm sure there are more.

pt

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On 05/08/2026 11:33, The True Melissa wrote:

Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.

Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.

That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw evidence.

It was derived from a science fiction novel which he wrote after which
he and his publisher used ideas from that to come up with Dianetics
which after it went bankrupt Hubbard decided to come up with Scientology
as a derivative of it but copyright all of the literature and its
derivative works and licence this alternative to psychiatry to others
who wanted to practice it for a fee.

When it went foul of US laws which required medical claims to be scientifically proven after all the psychiatrists complained it was
taking away all of their business, Hubbard turned it into a religion
because as a religion its medical claims about mental health did not
need any scientific proof since religion is based on faith. As an added benefit religious organisations were regarded as charities and didn't
have to pay most taxes so Scientology made a huge profit and Hubbard was
then chased around the world by the IRS for alleged tax evasion and died
a fugitive.

All the stuff about aliens visiting Earth in the past had to be inserted
into the teaching material for the benefit of the authorities so as to
justify calling it a religion.

So basically Scientology flourished thanks to the US authorities trying
to outlaw it

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On 8/5/26 03:32, The True Melissa wrote:

Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

Robert Heinlein

You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.

Heinlen's work was sold to Sci-Fiction magazines but a lot of
it is clearly Fantasy unless Lazarus Long will please check in?

In his youth science had not yet discovered its limits to
travel, nor to life so he could write convincingly about things
we now find impossible. But we believed in lots of things since
revealed to be unlikely such as the idea that America was always
doing the right thing, that voters could pick the best man for
whatever elected position and that what was good for General Motors
was good for the USA.





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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

In article <114vl64$33ot8$2@dont-email.me>,
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:

On 8/5/26 03:33, The True Melissa wrote:

Verily, in article <114uo80$2p8k4$1@dont-email.me>, did Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard said you don't get rich writing sci-fi

But Ron L. Hubbard was a looney ... he invented the ridiculous
Scientology 'religion'.

Didn't he originally do this as a bet or dare or something? Then it
proved lucrative, and here we are.

That's the vague version I heard, at least. I never heard details or saw >>> evidence.

No dare. He wanted to escape taxes.

Got you.

Taxes! Aye! That's-a where my brother Ravelli lives!
--scott
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On 8/5/2026 5:32 AM, The True Melissa wrote:

Verily, in article <114uj1t$2nlju$1@dont-email.me>, did Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> deliver unto us this message:

On 8/5/2026 12:22 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Who has?

Are you including fantasy?

Robert Heinlein

You'd put Robert Heinlein in the fantasy column? Interesting. He seems squarely science fiction to me.

You are misreading my list of rich authors. My list of rich authors is speculative fiction authors, which includes both science fiction and
fantasy.

BTW, Robert Heinlein wrote "Glory Road", an acknowledged fantasy work.
Some of his other works such as "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls"
straddle the line between science fiction and fantasy. So does
"Stranger In A Strange Land" and a several other of his works.

Lynn


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