You have to wonder if they were ever actually "found" in the first
place, and why there weren't multiple backups made before transferring
to iPlayer. :-\
Update: Okay, as many of you thought, this is an April Fool's gag -
of course the BBC hasn't deleted Doctor Who! I mean, can you
imagine?!
Well you guys ended up being the April Fools.
D'oh!! I forgot it was "April Idiots Day". :-(
In article <xn0po1r6ecs3j4t001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Your Name wrote:
D'oh!! I forgot it was "April Idiots Day". :-(
You mean... you thought it was real?!
<Face palm!>
He got caught!
On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 02:42:13 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 02:25:46 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor wrote:
Well you guys ended up being the April Fools.
You didn?t go ?nyah nyah?.
Lawrence is an April fool.
It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get. Those two
newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised, restored
and given private screenings.
On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 13:11:24 GMT, Blueshirt wrote:
It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get.
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been
digitised, restored and given private screenings.
But without backups in other hands besides the BBC?s, still
all too possible ...
Your Name wrote:
D'oh!! I forgot it was "April Idiots Day". :-(
You mean... you thought it was real?!
<Face palm!>
On 2026-04-02 10:30:51 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
D'oh!! I forgot it was "April Idiots Day". :-(
You mean... you thought it was real?!
<Face palm!>
Nothing would surprise me with the BBC. :-p
On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 21:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 13:11:24 GMT, Blueshirt wrote:
It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get. Those
two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised,
restored and given private screenings.
But without backups in other hands besides the BBC?s, still all too
possible ...
Well, obviously it's the BBC... so anything could happen! But I'd
assume the people in charge of taking care of the tins of film would
be a bit more dedicated than the people who were charged with
looking after those episodes in the 1960's!
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-04-02 10:30:51 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
D'oh!! I forgot it was "April Idiots Day". :-(
You mean... you thought it was real?!
<Face palm!>
Nothing would surprise me with the BBC. :-p
:)
It happens... pay attention next year! ;-)
You have to wonder if they were ever actually "found" in the first
place, and why there weren't multiple backups made before transferring
to iPlayer.˙ :-\
˙˙ The BBC Accidentally Wipes Newly-Recovered Episodes
˙˙ of Doctor Who: The Daleks' Master Plan
˙˙ ---------------------------------------------------
˙˙ The BBC has issued an official apology after wiping The Nightmare
Begins
˙˙ and Devil's Planet, the newly-recovered episodes of Doctor Who classic,
˙˙ The Daleks' Master Plan.
˙˙ Despite being recovered by Film is Fabulous!, two episodes of the First
˙˙ Doctor serial were returned to the BBC, but in the process of uploading
˙˙ them to streaming service, BBC iPlayer, the corporation accidentally
˙˙ wiped them again.
˙˙ A spokesperson for the BBC apologised for the mistake, and continued:
˙˙ "The issue seems to have occurred when uploading the restored serial to
˙˙ iPlayer for viewers to watch over the Easter weekend. During upload, we
˙˙ experienced some downtime and the episodes subsequently disappeared,
˙˙ meaning they're effectively missing, believed wiped, from our digital
˙˙ library."
˙˙ Current rumours on social media suggest that digital duplicates were
˙˙ taken by a BBC employee before the incident and that the downtime was
˙˙ premeditated in order to bump up the value of these illegal acquisitions.
˙˙ At this point, though, these are solely rumours and the BBC has refused
˙˙ to comment further.
˙˙ Unfortunately, Film is Fabulous! can't immediately restore the
Doctor Who
˙˙ episodes as the original reels have been given back to the family of
the
˙˙ collector who had left their collection to be safely restored.
˙˙ Justin Smith, chair of trustees at Film is Fabulous!, said: "We're
˙˙ working once more with the estate to try to ensure these episodes are
˙˙ copied and given back to the BBC; however, after the enthusiasm from fans
˙˙ following the initial announcement, family members are reluctant to
hand
˙˙ them over once more, claiming the BBC cannot be trusted with Doctor
Who.
˙˙ Frankly, it's hard to disagree.
˙˙ "While we appreciate fans' disappointment at this time, we ask for your
˙˙ patience in this matter as we try to resolve complications between the
˙˙ estate and the BBC."
˙˙ Needless to say, this is a horribly sad situation and we hope a
˙˙ resolution can be found sooner rather than later.
˙˙ Though The Nightmare Begins and Devil's Planet are again missing
from the
˙˙ archives, some remaining episodes of The Daleks' Master Plan are still
˙˙ available to watch on BBC iPlayer and on the Lost in Time DVD.
<https://thedoctorwhocompanion.com/2026/04/01/the-bbc-accidentally- wipes-newly-recovered-episodes-of-doctor-who-the-daleks-master-plan/>
WEll you fell for an Arpil Fools' Joke! Ha! Ha!!
On 01/04/2026 07:34, Your Name wrote:
You have to wonder if they were ever actually "found" in
the first place, and why there weren't multiple backups
made before transferring to iPlayer.˙ :-\
It looks like they've wiped the episodes again just like you
said. No sign of episodes 1 and 3 of The Daleks' Master Plan
on BBC iPlayer two and a half hours after midnight on Good
Friday when they were supposed to have been uploaded.
On 4/2/26 6:11 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been
digitised, restored and given private screenings.
I never heard of that and likely there are others
who didn't hear of it either.
The good news is there are two newly discovered episodes
of Black And White Doctor Who and there's a chance we
could see it!
Or has it been too "restored" aka fake colour, cropping,
stretching, muffled by noise reduction, fake surround sound,
edited, new sound effects, etc.
That would be a joke too, but not a funny one, too plausible
when so many studios say that the word "restore" means
revisionism!
In article <xn0po1vfocxttcz004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Weird. It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get.
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised,
restored and given private screenings.
And lost? You fell for it.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 01/04/2026 07:34, Your Name wrote:
You have to wonder if they were ever actually "found" in
the first place, and why there weren't multiple backups
made before transferring to iPlayer.˙ :-\
It looks like they've wiped the episodes again just like you
said. No sign of episodes 1 and 3 of The Daleks' Master Plan
on BBC iPlayer two and a half hours after midnight on Good
Friday when they were supposed to have been uploaded.
I thought it was supposed to be 6:00am this morning?
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 01:37:52 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0po1vfocxttcz004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Weird. It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get.
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised,
restored and given private screenings.
And lost? You fell for it.
Because of course the BBC could never lose episodes, could it. That
would be just crazy talk.
On 2026-04-04 23:36:29 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 01:37:52 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0po1vfocxttcz004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Weird. It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get.
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised,
restored and given private screenings.
And lost?˙ You fell for it.
Because of course the BBC could never lose episodes, could it. That
would be just crazy talk.
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear on and
disappear from various streaming services whenever the provider feels
like it (one of the many reason streaming "sux"), so it would quite easy
for a show to be accidentally lost. Websites like ComingSoon.net often
have a news item saying that a show / movie is leaving Netflix / Amazon Prime / Disney+ / etc. "soon".
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:accidentally
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear
on and disappear from various streaming services whenever
the provider feels like it (one of the many reason streaming
"sux"), so it would quite easy for a show to be
lost. Websites like ComingSoon.net often have a news item
saying that a show / movie is leaving Netflix / Amazon Prime
/ Disney+ / etc. "soon".
Not the same thing. The streaming services don't erase the
shows from existence by destroying or erasing the medium they
are stored on.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear on and
disappear from various streaming services whenever the provider feels
like it (one of the many reason streaming "sux"), so it would quite
easy for a show to be accidentally lost. Websites like ComingSoon.net
often have a news item saying that a show / movie is leaving Netflix / >>> Amazon Prime / Disney+ / etc. "soon".
Not the same thing. The streaming services don't erase the
shows from existence by destroying or erasing the medium they
are stored on.
Licences change, but the shows still usually exist somewhere.
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-04-04 23:36:29 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 01:37:52 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0po1vfocxttcz004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Weird. It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get.
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised,
restored and given private screenings.
And lost?? You fell for it.
Because of course the BBC could never lose episodes, could it. That
would be just crazy talk.
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear on and
disappear from various streaming services whenever the provider feels
like it (one of the many reason streaming "sux"), so it would quite
easy for a show to be accidentally lost. Websites like ComingSoon.net
often have a news item saying that a show / movie is leaving Netflix /
Amazon Prime / Disney+ / etc. "soon".
Not the same thing. The streaming services don't erase the shows from existence by destroying or erasing the medium they are stored on.
On 2026-04-05 16:11:23 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear on and
disappear from various streaming services whenever the provider
feels like it (one of the many reason streaming "sux"), so it would
quite easy˙ for a show to be accidentally lost. Websites like
ComingSoon.net often˙ have a news item saying that a show / movie is
leaving Netflix / Amazon Prime / Disney+ / etc. "soon".
Not the same thing.˙ The streaming services don't erase the
shows from existence by destroying or erasing the medium they
are stored on.
Licences change, but the shows still usually exist somewhere.
Maybe, maybe not.
Disney is a "good" example where they have limted releases (whether that
was VHS, DVD, or streaming) and then you can't get it any more.
They
*should* of courser still have the original material locked away in
their vaults, but problems do happens that mean it can be lost. They
would then be relying on those that bought the limied releases to be
able to resurrect the show / movie ... just like the BBC is relying on others for the missing episodes of various old shows.
On 2026-04-05 15:42:17 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-04-04 23:36:29 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 01:37:52 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0po1vfocxttcz004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Weird. It was about an obvious April Fools gag as you could get.
Those two newly recovered DMP episodes have already been digitised, >>>>>> restored and given private screenings.
And lost?˙ You fell for it.
Because of course the BBC could never lose episodes, could it. That
would be just crazy talk.
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear on and
disappear from various streaming services whenever the provider feels
like it (one of the many reason streaming "sux"), so it would quite
easy for a show to be accidentally lost. Websites like ComingSoon.net
often have a news item saying that a show / movie is leaving
Netflix / Amazon Prime / Disney+ / etc. "soon".
Not the same thing.˙ The streaming services don't erase the shows from
existence by destroying or erasing the medium they are stored on.
They do usually erase it from their servers. If it is under license,
then they would be required to delete it.
In article <xn0po67vv2ngrxm001@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies appear
on and disappear from various streaming services
whenever the provider feels like it (one of the many
reason streaming "sux"), so it would quite easy for a
show to be accidentally lost.
Not the same thing. The streaming services don't erase the
shows from existence by destroying or erasing the medium
they are stored on.
Licences change, but the shows still usually exist somewhere.
On a server on Earth.
On 2026-04-05 16:11:23 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 4/4/2026 6:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
Not just the BBC. These days some shows and movies
appear on and disappear from various streaming
services whenever the provider feels like it (one of
the many reason streaming "sux"), so it would quite
easy for a show to be accidentally lost. Websites like
ComingSoon.net often have a news item saying that a
show / movie is leaving Netflix / Amazon Prime /
Disney+ / etc. "soon".
Not the same thing. The streaming services don't erase the
shows from existence by destroying or erasing the medium
they are stored on.
Licences change, but the shows still usually exist somewhere.
Maybe, maybe not.
Disney is a "good" example where they have limted releases
(whether that was VHS, DVD, or streaming) and then you can't
get it any more. They should of courser still have the
original material locked away in their vaults, but problems do
happens that mean it can be lost. They would then be relying
on those that bought the limied releases to be able to
resurrect the show / movie ... just like the BBC is relying on
others for the missing episodes of various old shows.
In article <10qusa4$1opf8$3@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2026 4:09 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-04-05 15:42:17 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
Not the same thing.˙ The streaming services don't erase
the shows from existence by destroying or erasing the
medium they are stored on.
They do usually erase it from their servers. If it is under
license, then they would be required to delete it.
Which does NOT erase the license owner's masters.
1960s and 1970s come to mind.
On 4/6/26 3:39 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <10qusa4$1opf8$3@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2026 4:09 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-04-05 15:42:17 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
Not the same thing.? The streaming services don't erase the shows from >>>>>> existence by destroying or erasing the medium they are stored on.
They do usually erase it from their servers. If it is under license, >>>>> then they would be required to delete it.
Which does NOT erase the license owner's masters.
1960s and 1970s come to mind.
The old days were different because television shows were recorded onto
film or videotape, which could be re-recorded over... which in the
BBC's case they did to old television shows that they thought wouldn't
be required anymore. Now in the digital days there will be master
copies of each show, more than one probably.. and what Netflix, Hulu,
or Prime show on their streaming services will only be digital copies
supplied to them by the owners of whatever show it is. The chances of
the master copies of a big franchise modern television show getting
lost is very small.
That's assuming that all copyright holders have a secure archival
practice when copyright owners are often careless, fly by night and destructive. How often do we hear from artists and their managers and studios that "all our older stuff is
juvenile garbage" and "the latest is the only thing that's relevant?"
Which means for "Doctor Who" fans - the Jodie Whittaker episodes are
going nowhere! :)
They need them for reruns 60 years from now.
On 4/8/26 6:23 PM, The Doctor wrote:
In article <coacnRB7SOJjZkv0nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
On 4/6/26 3:39 AM, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <10qusa4$1opf8$3@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2026 4:09 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-04-05 15:42:17 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
They do usually erase it from their servers. If it is under license, >>>>>>> then they would be required to delete it.
Not the same thing.? The streaming services don't erase the shows from
existence by destroying or erasing the medium they are stored on. >>>>>>>
Which does NOT erase the license owner's masters.
1960s and 1970s come to mind.
The old days were different because television shows were recorded onto >>>> film or videotape, which could be re-recorded over... which in the
BBC's case they did to old television shows that they thought wouldn't >>>> be required anymore. Now in the digital days there will be master
copies of each show, more than one probably.. and what Netflix, Hulu, >>>> or Prime show on their streaming services will only be digital copies >>>> supplied to them
by the owners of whatever show it is. The chances of the master copies >>>> of a big franchise modern television show getting lost is very small.
That's assuming that all copyright holders have a secure archival
practice when copyright owners are often careless, fly by night and
destructive. How often do we hear from artists and their managers and
studios that "all our older stuff is juvenile garbage" and "the latest
is the only thing that's relevant?"
Which means for "Doctor Who" fans - the Jodie Whittaker episodes are
going nowhere! :)
Except they deserve to be erased.
Wait around 60 years and they'll be a classic!
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