RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern trash >> could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the show are
expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction for NEW Doctor >> material as well as the show now being completely in limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
--
Let's go Brandon!
Sack RTD and get a brand new showrunners who will
do what the fans want: RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
In article <10d80gc$13af$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
You know, a new showrunner could just ignore it. When a
show runs this long, things fall out of continuity all by
themselves. Most modern viewers have probably never heard
of the Guardians or the Celestials, which means they're
effectively gone unless deliberately brought back.
*Ignore* the bloody Timeless Child.
Melissa
On 10/21/2025 6:06 AM, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous˙ <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this
modern trash
could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the show
are
expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction for NEW
Doctor
material as well as the show now being completely in limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
--
Let's go Brandon!
Sack RTD and get a brand new showrunners who will
do what the fans want: RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR
WHO!.
More accurately:˙ "Sack RTD and do what the half dozen fans who post
here want."
I don't believe you speak for all Whovians.
If you retcon the Timeless Child what do you plan to do for the 26th* regeneration?
*12 original + one from River Song + 12 more from the exiled Time Lords.
˙Note: this count would include the Fugitive Doctor and the War Doctor
if the Timeless Child story line is removed, making the upcoming Billy
Piper incarnation the 19th Doctor.
(1: Jo Martin, 2: William Hartnell, 3: Patrick Troughton, 4: Jon
Pertwee, 5: Tom Baker, 6: Peter Davison, 7: Colin Baker, 8: Sylvester
McCoy, 9: Paul McGann, 10: John Hurt, 11: Christopher Eccleston, 12:
David Tennant, 13: Matt Smith, 14: Matt Smith, 15: Peter Capaldi, 16:
Jodie Whittaker, 17: David Tennant, 18: Ncuti Gatwa, and 19: Billy Piper)
By this calculation they have 6 regenerations left, unless the writers
come up with another gimmick to give them more.˙ Oh!˙ Wait! They have,
with the Timeless Child they have infinite regenerations!
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes the Doctor's entire origin story and turns him into an entirely different character
which is that of an unrepentant war criminal hiding from their crimes.
despite all previous incarnations being white, male, and
heterosexual,
In article <10d8im3$43md$2@dont-email.me>,
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM says...
despite all previous incarnations being white, male, and
heterosexual,
Most of his incarnations were asexual, in practice if not
by statement.
Melissa
On 21/10/2025 18:23, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10d80gc$13af$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
You know, a new showrunner could just ignore it. When a
show runs this long, things fall out of continuity all by
themselves. Most modern viewers have probably never heard
of the Guardians or the Celestials, which means they're
effectively gone unless deliberately brought back.
*Ignore* the bloody Timeless Child.
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes
the Doctor's entire origin story and turns him into an
entirely different character which is that of an unrepentant
war criminal hiding from their crimes.
In article <10d80gc$13af$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!
You know, a new showrunner could just ignore it. When a
show runs this long, things fall out of continuity all by
themselves. Most modern viewers have probably never heard
of the Guardians or the Celestials, which means they're
effectively gone unless deliberately brought back.
Ignore the bloody Timeless Child.
In article <10d8i9v$3ujh$1@dont-email.me>,
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM says...
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes
the Doctor's entire origin story and turns him into an
entirely different character which is that of an unrepentant
war criminal hiding from their crimes.
That's exactly why it should be ignored.
In article <10d8im3$43md$2@dont-email.me>,
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM says...
despite all previous incarnations being white, male,
and heterosexual,
Most of his incarnations were asexual, in practice if not
by statement.
They already gave the Doctor another set of regenerations at the end of
The Time of the Doctor.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 21/10/2025 18:23, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10d80gc$13af$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
You know, a new showrunner could just ignore it. When a
show runs this long, things fall out of continuity all by
themselves. Most modern viewers have probably never heard
of the Guardians or the Celestials, which means they're
effectively gone unless deliberately brought back.
*Ignore* the bloody Timeless Child.
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes
the Doctor's entire origin story and turns him into an
entirely different character which is that of an unrepentant
war criminal hiding from their crimes.
Well... I ignore it. Just as I ignore other parts of "Doctor
Who" that I don't really like.
Plus, the people banging on about the Timeless Child all the
time were against Jodie Whittaker as the 13th Doctor from the
moment she was cast in the role... before any part of the
Timeless Child arc had been broadcast. So methinks it's not
really about the Timeless Child storyline at all...
On 10/21/2025 11:16 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
They already gave the Doctor another set of regenerations at the end
of The Time of the Doctor.
I included those and there was a limit, they gave him another 12.
In article <10d8i9v$3ujh$1@dont-email.me>,
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM says...
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes the Doctor's
entire origin story and turns him into an entirely different character
which is that of an unrepentant war criminal hiding from their crimes.
That's exactly why it should be ignored.
Melissa
On 10/21/2025 6:06 AM, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern trash
could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the show are >>> expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction for NEW Doctor >>> material as well as the show now being completely in limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
--
Let's go Brandon!
Sack RTD and get a brand new showrunners who will
do what the fans want: RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
More accurately: "Sack RTD and do what the half dozen fans who post
here want."
I don't believe you speak for all Whovians.
If you retcon the Timeless Child what do you plan to do for the 26th* regeneration?
*12 original + one from River Song + 12 more from the exiled Time
Lords. Note: this count would include the Fugitive Doctor and the War Doctor if the Timeless Child story line is removed, making the upcoming Billy Piper incarnation the 19th Doctor.
(1: Jo Martin, 2: William Hartnell, 3: Patrick Troughton, 4: Jon
Pertwee, 5: Tom Baker, 6: Peter Davison, 7: Colin Baker, 8: Sylvester
McCoy, 9: Paul McGann, 10: John Hurt, 11: Christopher Eccleston, 12:
David Tennant, 13: Matt Smith, 14: Matt Smith, 15: Peter Capaldi, 16:
Jodie Whittaker, 17: David Tennant, 18: Ncuti Gatwa, and 19: Billy
Piper)
By this calculation they have 6 regenerations left, unless the writers
come up with another gimmick to give them more. Oh! Wait! They have,
with the Timeless Child they have infinite regenerations!
Then there's Peter Cushing, although he's a different "Doctor Who"
entirely ... supposedly.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Then there's Peter Cushing, although he's a different "Doctor Who"
entirely ... supposedly.
He did a great job in the role, though. I'm only sad that David Niven
never got a chance at it.
--scott
But that's a mis-calcualtion. If you take the show back to it's *proper* version, then Jo Martin, Jodie Whittaker, and Ncuti Gatwa don't count at all. There's also no evidence that Billie Piper is the new Doctor (semi- permanent or temporary). Paul McGann doesn't count either and possibly neither does John Hurt.
On 10/21/2025 1:57 PM, Your Name wrote:
But that's a mis-calcualtion. If you take the show back to it's
*proper* version, then Jo Martin, Jodie Whittaker, and Ncuti Gatwa
don't count at all. There's also no evidence that Billie Piper is the
new Doctor (semi- permanent or temporary). Paul McGann doesn't count
either and possibly neither does John Hurt.
Says you. I'll take the word of the powers that be at BBC over yours.
As I said before, I don't believe that you speak for all Whovians, or
any, for that matter, other than yourself.
In article <10d9br8$ar91$1@dont-email.me>,
Tim Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> wrote:
On 10/21/2025 1:57 PM, Your Name wrote:
But that's a mis-calcualtion. If you take the show back to it's *proper* >>> version, then Jo Martin, Jodie Whittaker, and Ncuti Gatwa don't count at >>> all. There's also no evidence that Billie Piper is the new Doctor (semi- >>> permanent or temporary). Paul McGann doesn't count either and possibly
neither does John Hurt.
Says you. I'll take the word of the powers that be at BBC over yours.
As I said before, I don't believe that you speak for all Whovians, or
any, for that matter, other than yourself.
IYIO
--
Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.
Tim Merrigan
On 2025-10-21 18:06:58 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
On 10/21/2025 6:06 AM, The Doctor wrote:
Sack RTD and get a brand new showrunners who will
do what the fans want: RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD
TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
More accurately: "Sack RTD and do what the half dozen
fans who post here want."
I don't believe you speak for all Whovians.
If you retcon the Timeless Child what do you plan to do for
the 26th* regeneration?
*12 original + one from River Song + 12 more from the exiled
Time Lords. Note: this count would include the Fugitive
Doctor and the War Doctor if the Timeless Child story line
is removed, making the upcoming Billy Piper incarnation the
19th Doctor.
(1: Jo Martin, 2: William Hartnell, 3: Patrick Troughton, 4:
Jon Pertwee, 5: Tom Baker, 6: Peter Davison, 7: Colin
Baker, 8: Sylvester McCoy, 9: Paul McGann, 10: John Hurt,
11: Christopher Eccleston, 12: David Tennant, 13: Matt
Smith, 14: Matt Smith, 15: Peter Capaldi, 16: Jodie
Whittaker, 17: David Tennant, 18: Ncuti Gatwa, and 19: Billy
Piper)
By this calculation they have 6 regenerations left, unless
the writers come up with another gimmick to give them more.
Oh! Wait! They have, with the Timeless Child they have
infinite regenerations!
But that's a mis-calcualtion. If you take the show back to
it's proper version, then Jo Martin, Jodie Whittaker, and
Ncuti Gatwa don't count at all. There's also no evidence that
Billie Piper is the new Doctor (semi-permanent or temporary).
Paul McGann doesn't count either and possibly neither does
John Hurt.
Then there's Peter Cushing, although he's a different "Doctor
Who" entirely ... supposedly.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Then there's Peter Cushing, although he's a
different "Doctor Who" entirely ... supposedly.
He did a great job in the role, though.
In article <xn0pcbcpy8v7trz002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10d8i9v$3ujh$1@dont-email.me>,
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM says...
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes
the Doctor's entire origin story and turns him into an
entirely different character which is that of an
unrepentant war criminal hiding from their crimes.
That's exactly why it should be ignored.
Doesn't matter... they'd still find something else to moan
about if the "Timeless Child" was retconned...
What exactly?
Jodie Whittaker was and still is a shit actress totally
unsuitable for the role.
On 21/10/2025 19:28, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10d8i9v$3ujh$1@dont-email.me>,
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM says...
The Timeless Child monster cannot be ignored as it changes the Doctor's
entire origin story and turns him into an entirely different character
which is that of an unrepentant war criminal hiding from their crimes.
That's exactly why it should be ignored.
It can't be ignored. It has to be completely removed from canon.
The Opposite of IMHO.IYIO¨Kay es IYIO?
--
Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.
Tim Merrigan
--
Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.
Tim Merrigan
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-10-21 18:06:58 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
On 10/21/2025 6:06 AM, The Doctor wrote:
Sack RTD and get a brand new showrunners who will
do what the fans want: RETCON THE TIMELESS CHILD
TOTALLY OUT OF DOCTOR WHO!.
More accurately: "Sack RTD and do what the half dozen
fans who post here want."
I don't believe you speak for all Whovians.
If you retcon the Timeless Child what do you plan to do for
the 26th* regeneration?
*12 original + one from River Song + 12 more from the exiled
Time Lords. Note: this count would include the Fugitive
Doctor and the War Doctor if the Timeless Child story line
is removed, making the upcoming Billy Piper incarnation the
19th Doctor.
(1: Jo Martin, 2: William Hartnell, 3: Patrick Troughton, 4:
Jon Pertwee, 5: Tom Baker, 6: Peter Davison, 7: Colin
Baker, 8: Sylvester McCoy, 9: Paul McGann, 10: John Hurt,
11: Christopher Eccleston, 12: David Tennant, 13: Matt
Smith, 14: Matt Smith, 15: Peter Capaldi, 16: Jodie
Whittaker, 17: David Tennant, 18: Ncuti Gatwa, and 19: Billy
Piper)
By this calculation they have 6 regenerations left, unless
the writers come up with another gimmick to give them more.
Oh! Wait! They have, with the Timeless Child they have
infinite regenerations!
But that's a mis-calcualtion. If you take the show back to
it's proper version, then Jo Martin, Jodie Whittaker, and
Ncuti Gatwa don't count at all. There's also no evidence that
Billie Piper is the new Doctor (semi-permanent or temporary).
Paul McGann doesn't count either and possibly neither does
John Hurt.
Well, if we're going down that road... nobody after Tom Baker
counted, so there!!!
Then there's Peter Cushing, although he's a different "Doctor
Who" entirely ... supposedly.
I'm happy to include him, somewhere... timey wimey and all
that...
Paul McGann doesn't count either
RTD continued with the Timeless Child hence his downfall.
In article <10d8s44$75th$1@dont-email.me>,
YourName@YourISP.com says...
Paul McGann doesn't count either
Why doesn't he count?
Melissa
In article <10d8s44$75th$1@dont-email.me>,
YourName@YourISP.com says...
Paul McGann doesn't count either
Why doesn't he count?
Melissa
On 2025-10-22 21:49:38 +0000, The True Melissa said:
In article <10d8s44$75th$1@dont-email.me>,
YourName@YourISP.com says...
Paul McGann doesn't count either
Why doesn't he count?
Melissa
The movie was simply Americanised garbage in an attempt to "break into"
the US market ... and failed spectacularly on all fronts.
On 2025-10-22 09:53:26 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Then there's Peter Cushing, although he's a
different "Doctor Who" entirely ... supposedly.
I'm happy to include him, somewhere... timey wimey and all
that...
Peter Cushing's character was not a Time Lord. He was simply a
human inventor. At best he was an "alternate universe Doctor
Who".
Please stop living a sheletered life!
In article <6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>, john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern
trash could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the >>> show are expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction
for NEW Doctor material as well as the show now being completely in
limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again.
Next up, Harry Potter.
john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern
trash could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the
show are expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction
for NEW Doctor material as well as the show now being completely in limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again.
I heard there was a Stargate in the pipeline. I'm rewatching all 10 seasons
of SG1 before they ruin that for me forever.
john <john@hamiltonhall.info> wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern trash
could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the show are >>>expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction for NEW Doctor >>>material as well as the show now being completely in limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again. >>
Save Doctor Who! Retcon the Timeless Child.
arlat08jhuba@hotmail.com wrote:
In article <6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>,
john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:They destroyed in 5 years what had endured for 60. Three generations shared >> this passion, and were told we were never the audience to begin with.
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern >>>> trash could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the >>>> show are expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction >>>> for NEW Doctor material as well as the show now being completely in
limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again. >>
To be fair, it died before. Maybe it needs to go away for a few years so that someone who actually loves it can revive it again.
In article <6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>, john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern
trash could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the
show are expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction
for NEW Doctor material as well as the show now being completely in
limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again.
Like Star Trek.
On 2025-11-20 15:26:10 +0000, RICHARD perin said:
In article
<6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>, john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated
time and time again.
Like Star Trek.
And Batman.
And Superman.
And Knight Rider.
And Battlestar Galatica.
And ...
Now there's a new Stargate show been announced, so there
goes another franchise down the toilet. :-(
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-11-20 15:26:10 +0000, RICHARD perin said:
In article
<6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>,
john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated
time and time again.
Like Star Trek.
And Batman.
And Superman.
And Knight Rider.
And Battlestar Galatica.
And ...
Now there's a new Stargate show been announced, so there
goes another franchise down the toilet. :-(
Is it the franchises changing for the worse... or just us getting older
and not liking change?! ;-)
On 2025-11-20 15:26:10 +0000, RICHARD perin said:
In article <6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>,
john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:Like Star Trek.
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern >>>> trash could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the >>>> show are expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction >>>> for NEW Doctor material as well as the show now being completely in
limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again. >>
And Batman.
And Superman.
And Knight Rider.
And Battlestar Galatica.
And ...
Now there's a new Stargate show been announced, so there goes another >franchise down the toilet. :-(
On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 20:27:57 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-11-20 15:26:10 +0000, RICHARD perin said:
In article <6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>,
john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
In article <10d7q90$3rlsu$3@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote: >>>>>
We all knew that Doctor Who was over. Anyone that has seen this modern >>>>> trash could see it a mile away. However even writers involved with the >>>>> show are expressing the same sentiment. With ZERO demand or direction >>>>> for NEW Doctor material as well as the show now being completely in
limbo.
https://youtu.be/8qxQ7XZFHGE?si=799Pg1oCE-IUCzAQ
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated time and time again.
Like Star Trek.
And Batman.
And Superman.
And Knight Rider.
And Battlestar Galatica.
And ...
Now there's a new Stargate show been announced, so there goes another
franchise down the toilet. :-(
It's going to be run by a mix of people from both the original movie
and the tv show; Devlin&Emmerich have previously made known their
dislike of the changes made for TV, so we could be in for bit of
infighting (which never works out well).
On 23/11/2025 8:50 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-11-22 11:28:38 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-11-20 15:26:10 +0000, RICHARD perin said:
In article
<6c9fdff618ba6b2cf876190900442a26@hamiltonhall.info>,
john@hamiltonhall.info wrote:
I'm glad its dead, much better than seeing it violated
time and time again.
Like Star Trek.
And Batman.
And Superman.
And Knight Rider.
And Battlestar Galatica.
And ...
Now there's a new Stargate show been announced, so there
goes another franchise down the toilet.? :-(
Is it the franchises changing for the worse... or just us getting older >>> and not liking change?!? ;-)
For me it's definitely all the idiotic changes that simply make the
"new version" a very different show, so why did they bother re-using
the same title? They may as well just have made a completely new show
to begin with (e.g. "Warship Gigantica") and say it is very loosely
based on the original.
Almost always these silly remakes / reboots / reimaginings are done by
some new egotistical fool who thinks they know better then the person
with the talent to come up with the original, as to how it "should have
been done".
Hmmm!! (As this IS a 'Doctor who' newsgroup I'm reading this in ....)
I'm thinking you were thinking about Chris Chibnall there, Your Name!!
There's usually some nonsense excuse that re-using the same name means
they have a "built-in audience", but that's utter rubbish - the changes
mean the original fans won't like it, and people who didn't like the
original are unlikely to watch something with the same name.
Even resurrected shows (including prequels, sequels, and spin-offs)
with mostly the same cast and crew rarely work because everyone has
changed and time has moved on, so it's never really the same "magic" as
it was the first time around.
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