• Women Don't Learn Too Good? (was Re: The Cartmel Master Plan)

    From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 23:35:35 2025
    Verily, in article <107lugi$nmav$5@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    Girls have already lost most of their capacity to make connections
    between neurons by the time they are born.

    Again, how do you explain women learning after that time? If women
    couldn't learn much after birth and not at all after age 13, society
    would look pretty different. One major difference would be that the
    females would be unable to speak, much less read. No one is born knowing
    a language.

    According to mainstream neuroscience, all children make neural
    connections wildly during infancy, and a great pruning occurs when the
    child is three. This happens in both sexes. Researches have found some developmental differences between the sexes, but they're not nearly as
    vast or as clear-cut as you seem to think.

    Do you watch ST:TAS? I think you'd like "The Lorelei Signal." I saw it
    last night, and when the ladies explained what happened -- all their
    stuff had been invented by the deceased men, they were nothing but
    predatory parasites, and they were miserable -- I thought of you.

    You might also enjoy Larry Niven's Kzinti. The Kzinti females are
    literally nonsapient and nonsentient, like cattle. Kzinti society is
    something like Earth society would be if your theories were correct.

    As far as Time Lords go, the best example of a female Time Lord we have
    is Romana, and she has always seemed intelligent and capable. Of course,
    she's technically not human.

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 01:11:36 2025
    On 15/08/2025 14:35, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lugi$nmav$5@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    Girls have already lost most of their capacity to make connections
    between neurons by the time they are born.

    Again, how do you explain women learning after that time? If women

    The same way that AI learns. You plug in an H200 and it trains the model running on it. Once you have the model trained you don't even need the
    H200. You can run the trained model on your CPU and it is fully capable
    of naturally reading out text or answering questions etc. without even
    seeing the text or knowing the language before.

    couldn't learn much after birth and not at all after age 13, society
    would look pretty different. One major difference would be that the

    Let's equate a girl to possessing 1000 H200s at birth. A boy would only possess say 200 H200s when born. By the time a girl reaches 13 she has
    1200 H200s plugged into her brain. By the same age a boy also has 1200
    H200s running. But the boy is able to continue to develop more
    connections in his brain and configure even more H200s as a result, so
    by their mid 20s the top 5% of the boys in the class have 2000 H200s
    running, whereas the top girls are limited to about 1500 H200s on
    average. The H200s still have RAM and they can still run new AI models
    created by the AI itself which fills up that RAM, even if you can't
    create any more of them.

    females would be unable to speak, much less read. No one is born knowing
    a language.

    Nope. I can run natural AI text to speech synthesis on my CPU which is
    over 10 years old with no problems. Speaking and reading is pretty
    simple. AI learning is just the ability to do matrix multiplication.
    Once you have the hardware which does that you can run mostly any model
    you want to develop on it. The more H200s you have the larger and more complicated the model can be which will run. If you don't have enough
    then the model or data can't be stored so won't run at all. You could
    always write stuff down on paper to help with storage but holding all
    the data in your head like Stephan Hawaking had to do is faster and more efficient.

    Graphics cards like the RTX series became the basis for running AI
    models because the matrix multiplication cores needed for creating 3D
    graphics with ray tracing are exactly the same as what you need for AI.
    In order to run the model you need to store both the input data and the
    output data. In the case of graphics cards you need more video RAM in
    order to render more complicated models and these days even an 8GB
    graphics card doesn't have enough VRAM to run modern AAA games properly
    or at all. The same goes for your brain. Boys develop more storage
    capacity than girls after they reach the age of 13 along with more
    neural connectivity, i.e. CUDA and Tensor cores. How you use those cores
    while constructing an AI model is what is called learning.

    According to mainstream neuroscience, all children make neural
    connections wildly during infancy, and a great pruning occurs when the
    child is three. This happens in both sexes. Researches have found some developmental differences between the sexes, but they're not nearly as
    vast or as clear-cut as you seem to think.


    The study I referred to says differently and makes more sense given the observed data.

    Do you watch ST:TAS? I think you'd like "The Lorelei Signal." I saw it

    TAS? The Animated Series? Not watched it in decades.

    last night, and when the ladies explained what happened -- all their
    stuff had been invented by the deceased men, they were nothing but
    predatory parasites, and they were miserable -- I thought of you.

    You might also enjoy Larry Niven's Kzinti. The Kzinti females are
    literally nonsapient and nonsentient, like cattle. Kzinti society is

    No. I suggest you read E E Smith's Second Stage Lensmen and Children of
    the Lens which both call out the ideology of feminism as being no
    different to fascism while still depicting strong female protagonists
    when are not feminazis engage in eugenics to hold back to progress of
    men. Then there is John Norman's Outlaw of Gor which also calls out
    feminism and being nothing to do with what women actually want or have
    always wanted.

    something like Earth society would be if your theories were correct.


    Nope. My theories reflect the observed realities we have today. 20 times
    as many men than women make up the top 5% of people running the top
    companies and the top people in STEM. This is what the extra
    connectivity allows men to achieve. Also the AI models running on men
    and on women differ drastically, and those models are hard wired as demonstrated by the ways girls and boys play with the same toys, since
    they are determined by evolution not learning, so even if they had the
    same number of connected neurons most men would still be better or more interested in STEM and in positions of leadership than most women.

    Writers need to respect the facts and stop their ridiculous attempts at
    social engineering.

    Men have to learn from their environment in order to survive. Women only
    have to submit, and this is reflected in the way men and women write.
    It's the same with animals and it's been like that for hundreds of
    millions of years so degenerate feminist ideology isn't going to change
    the observed facts.

    As far as Time Lords go, the best example of a female Time Lord we have
    is Romana, and she has always seemed intelligent and capable. Of course, she's technically not human.


    And of course Time Lords do not change gender when they regenerate since
    that would make a total mockery of the character of Romana and make her
    no different to a man rather than being an intelligent women based on
    her own merit.

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 03:07:22 2025
    Verily, in article <107nin8$1610g$1@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    Nope. My theories reflect the observed realities we have today. 20 times
    as many men than women make up the top 5% of people running the top companies and the top people in STEM. This is what the extra
    connectivity allows men to achieve


    What you're seeing is more commonly modelled (and more sensibly) as men
    having a flatter bell curve. Men are overrepresented among geniuses, but
    also among idiots. Women center more around the average. Those are only tendencies, of course; there are individual men who are very average and indivual women at both extremes.

    Men don't have "extra connectivity." You keep citing and citing one
    study -- well, a popular misinterpretation of some study -- and you
    think you've disproved human history.

    The hilarious part about this discussion is that I'm a long, long way
    from being a feminist. The stuff you're saying is just cartoonish,
    though. Just looking around tells everyone that it's not true.

    How do you explain people like Ada Lovelace?

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 05:12:22 2025
    On 15/08/2025 18:07, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107nin8$1610g$1@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    Nope. My theories reflect the observed realities we have today. 20 times
    as many men than women make up the top 5% of people running the top
    companies and the top people in STEM. This is what the extra
    connectivity allows men to achieve


    What you're seeing is more commonly modelled (and more sensibly) as men having a flatter bell curve. Men are overrepresented among geniuses, but
    also among idiots. Women center more around the average. Those are only tendencies, of course; there are individual men who are very average and indivual women at both extremes.


    The reason for the differences between the bell curves is down to environmental factors which impede the development of boys and ones that accelerate their development. Girls are not affected by them so they
    stay in the centre. What the education system needs to be concentrating
    on is helping and encouraging boys more than girls since those at the
    bottom and the top are in the most need of it. Of course it's possible
    that the environmental factors hard wire some boys to be good at STEM
    while at the same time hard wire others with a different AI model which
    is not very compatible with STEM but is more inclined to physical rather
    than mental activity or something else. Maybe that diversity is an evolutionary advantage for boys and men. Some boys even drop out out of
    school and work on the market and then end up being billionaires.


    Men don't have "extra connectivity." You keep citing and citing one

    Yes they do. Men develop more connectivity than women. Whether they are
    able to use it or not is down to environmental factors. It's
    connectivity which solves problems. It's connectivity which brings
    intuition.

    study -- well, a popular misinterpretation of some study -- and you
    think you've disproved human history.

    The hilarious part about this discussion is that I'm a long, long way
    from being a feminist. The stuff you're saying is just cartoonish,
    though. Just looking around tells everyone that it's not true.

    What I am saying are well known proven facts about feminism and feminists.


    How do you explain people like Ada Lovelace?


    Her contribution to science was miniscule compared to her peers who overwhelmingly outnumber her. How do you explain Thales, Anaximander, Anaximedes, Pythagoras, Parmenides, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle,
    Archimedes, Aristarchus, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Al-Khwarizmi,
    Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Fermat, Gauss, Mendelev, Hamilton, Young, Davy, Hooke, Maxwell, Thomson, Lorentz, Einstein, Schrdinger, Pauli, Dirac, Weinberg, Bell, Higgs, and Hawking? There
    were plenty of women from affluent backgrounds through the ages that
    could afford to pay for their education and yet all you can think of is
    Ada Lovelace the daughter of Lord Byron. What did I tell you the ratio
    of men to women in STEM is? 20 to 1. Why do you think that is? Men's and women's brains are wired and develop differently due to millions of
    years of evolution.

    Who are you going to come up with next? Marie Curie? Do you want me to
    roll of another list of more famous male scientists and mathematicians?
    Who comes after Curie? I can't think of anyone. It must be around 100
    years since she was around. We're well overdue for the third greatest
    female physical scientist or mathematician in history? Sabine
    Hossenfelder? Hum... Nope. Margaret Thatcher?

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 05:47:36 2025
    Verily, in article <107o0qn$1a7ut$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    How do you explain Thales, Anaximander,
    Anaximedes, Pythagoras, Parmenides, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle,
    Archimedes, Aristarchus, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Al-Khwarizmi,
    Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Fermat, Gauss, Mendelev, Hamilton, Young, Davy, Hooke, Maxwell, Thomson, Lorentz, Einstein, Schrdinger, Pauli, Dirac, Weinberg, Bell, Higgs, and Hawking?


    That's the awesome part. I don't need to "explain" them, because I've
    never made any ridiculous assertions that men can't learn or think.

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 05:55:38 2025
    On 15/08/2025 20:47, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107o0qn$1a7ut$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    How do you explain Thales, Anaximander,
    Anaximedes, Pythagoras, Parmenides, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle,
    Archimedes, Aristarchus, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Al-Khwarizmi,
    Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Fermat, Gauss, Mendelev,
    Hamilton, Young, Davy, Hooke, Maxwell, Thomson, Lorentz, Einstein,
    Schrdinger, Pauli, Dirac, Weinberg, Bell, Higgs, and Hawking?


    That's the awesome part. I don't need to "explain" them, because I've
    never made any ridiculous assertions that men can't learn or think.


    And I've never made any similar assertions about women.


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