• Davies says he doesn't have a clue !

    From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Aug 14 07:39:47 2025
    We already knew Davies didn't have a clue from the moment he took over
    from Chibnall who didn't have a clue either.

    https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rtd-no-clue-doctor-who-future-106093.htm

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  • From Woozy Song@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Aug 14 12:45:29 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:
    We already knew Davies didn't have a clue from the moment he took over
    from Chibnall who didn't have a clue either.

    https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rtd-no-clue-doctor-who-future-106093.htm


    So poor Russel is being shut out of negotiations between the two TV
    services?

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Aug 14 20:33:01 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:

    We already knew Davies didn't have a clue from the moment
    he took over from Chibnall who didn't have a clue either.


    https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rtd-no-clue-doctor-who-future-106093.htm

    In fairness it's been the same story for months... they are
    [supposedly] all waiting on Disney to renew or cancel their
    partnership with the BBC. Which could mean the uncertainty lasts
    until after "The War Between the Land and the Sea" is aired.

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Aug 14 22:20:48 2025
    Woozy Song wrote:

    The True Doctor wrote:
    We already knew Davies didn't have a clue from the moment he
    took over from Chibnall who didn't have a clue either.


    https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rtd-no-clue-doctor-who-future-106093.htm


    So poor Russel is being shut out of negotiations between the
    two TV services?

    Proper order!

    And if the BBC can keep hold of Disney, or when they agree
    something with a new partner, I hope they keep RTD out of
    "Doctor Who" going forward...

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu Aug 14 22:39:59 2025
    On 14/08/2025 13:20, Blueshirt wrote:
    Woozy Song wrote:

    The True Doctor wrote:
    We already knew Davies didn't have a clue from the moment he
    took over from Chibnall who didn't have a clue either.


    https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rtd-no-clue-doctor-who-future-106093.htm


    So poor Russel is being shut out of negotiations between the
    two TV services?

    Proper order!

    And if the BBC can keep hold of Disney, or when they agree
    something with a new partner, I hope they keep RTD out of
    "Doctor Who" going forward...

    The only solution is to do a Dallas and erase everything from Whittaker onwards by turning it into Clara's dream.

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 07:54:10 2025
    Verily, in article <xn0p9jn5phbl543000@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:

    The Doctor wrote:

    Gaiman and Moffat do not qualify.

    I think it's safe to say Neil Gaiman wouldn't be getting the
    job!

    Yeah, the show already has someone we have to call "Master."

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 09:17:00 2025
    Verily, in article <107lqfo$1sou$8@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.4307fad9f45fa3f79897f6@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <xn0p9jn5phbl543000@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:

    The Doctor wrote:

    Gaiman and Moffat do not qualify.

    I think it's safe to say Neil Gaiman wouldn't be getting the
    job!

    Yeah, the show already has someone we have to call "Master."


    Do you recall the Doctor's Wife?

    I do, yes. I didn't really like it. A lot of the fandom at the time did,
    but I would have preferred the TARDIS to stay the TARDIS.

    A better take (IMO) on the TARDIS being independently active was in
    "Heaven Sent." That was a mighty fine hour of television *and* some good
    (if unusual) Doctor Who, and the TARDIS took some action while still
    being its ordinary, semisentient self.


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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 10:14:42 2025
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.


    What is that?

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  • From Your Name@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 16:54:02 2025
    On 2025-08-15 00:14:42 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:

    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.

    What is that?

    It's when Timelords regenerate into liquid beings ... sentient puddles
    of goo, basically like crew member Yaphit on "The Orville". ;-) <https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Yaphit>


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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 19:10:51 2025
    On 15/08/2025 00:17, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lqfo$1sou$8@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.4307fad9f45fa3f79897f6@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <xn0p9jn5phbl543000@post.eweka.nl>, did
    blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:

    The Doctor wrote:

    Gaiman and Moffat do not qualify.

    I think it's safe to say Neil Gaiman wouldn't be getting the
    job!

    Yeah, the show already has someone we have to call "Master."


    Do you recall the Doctor's Wife?

    I do, yes. I didn't really like it. A lot of the fandom at the time did,
    but I would have preferred the TARDIS to stay the TARDIS.

    A better take (IMO) on the TARDIS being independently active was in
    "Heaven Sent." That was a mighty fine hour of television *and* some good
    (if unusual) Doctor Who, and the TARDIS took some action while still
    being its ordinary, semisentient self.



    The TARDIS played no part in Heaven Sent. It was all set inside the
    Doctor's Time Dial repeating the same actions over and over again for 4 billion years. Are you confusing it with Hell Bent, and even then the
    TARDIS does nothing other than being a TARDIS.

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 19:12:40 2025
    On 15/08/2025 06:15, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.


    What is that?


    Timelords can now change gender.


    No they can't. That idea is nothing more than fan fic. It never happened because nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is considered to be canon.


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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 19:13:52 2025
    On 15/08/2025 07:54, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-08-15 00:14:42 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:

    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.

    What is that?

    It's when Timelords regenerate into liquid beings ... sentient puddles
    of goo, basically like crew member Yaphit on "The Orville".˙ ;-) <https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Yaphit>


    That was done in Deep Space 9 decades earlier. Remember Odo?

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 22:03:30 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <xn0p9jn5phbl543000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    And get someone brand new!

    Gaiman and Moffat do not qualify.

    I think it's safe to say Neil Gaiman wouldn't be getting
    the job!

    He is the one who started the gender fluidity!

    Yes. But clearly you haven't been paying attention to events
    since then... (No surprise there of course.)

    Let's just say the BBC would not be giving Neil Gaiman the job.

    Or more accurately... any job!!!

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 23:21:47 2025
    Verily, in article <107mfpk$1b1r$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.


    What is that?


    Timelords can now change gender.

    Oh. I'm ignoring that. :)


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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 23:23:00 2025
    Verily, in article <107mlia$vld7$1@dont-email.me>, did
    YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 2025-08-15 00:14:42 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:

    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.

    What is that?

    It's when Timelords regenerate into liquid beings ... sentient puddles
    of goo, basically like crew member Yaphit on "The Orville". ;-)

    Heh, the Doctor regenerating into an inhuman shape could be a fun short.
    It'd be about as serious as "The Curse of Fatal Death."


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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 15 23:23:32 2025
    Verily, in article <107mtir$1138b$3@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    On 15/08/2025 00:17, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lqfo$1sou$8@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.4307fad9f45fa3f79897f6@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <xn0p9jn5phbl543000@post.eweka.nl>, did
    blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:

    The Doctor wrote:

    Gaiman and Moffat do not qualify.

    I think it's safe to say Neil Gaiman wouldn't be getting the
    job!

    Yeah, the show already has someone we have to call "Master."


    Do you recall the Doctor's Wife?

    I do, yes. I didn't really like it. A lot of the fandom at the time did, but I would have preferred the TARDIS to stay the TARDIS.

    A better take (IMO) on the TARDIS being independently active was in
    "Heaven Sent." That was a mighty fine hour of television *and* some good (if unusual) Doctor Who, and the TARDIS took some action while still
    being its ordinary, semisentient self.



    The TARDIS played no part in Heaven Sent. It was all set inside the
    Doctor's Time Dial repeating the same actions over and over again for 4 billion years. Are you confusing it with Hell Bent, and even then the
    TARDIS does nothing other than being a TARDIS.

    The TARDIS played no active part, but it plays a part.

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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 00:03:32 2025
    On 15/08/2025 7:10 pm, The True Doctor wrote:

    <Snip>

    The TARDIS played no part in Heaven Sent. It was all set inside the
    Doctor's Time Dial repeating the same actions over and over again for 4 billion years. Are you confusing it with Hell Bent, and even then the
    TARDIS does nothing other than being a TARDIS.

    So The Doctor can re-generate over and over and over and over again for
    four billion years ..... but The Doctor couldn't possibly be The
    Timeless Child and regenerate a couple of billion (maybe) times before
    we got to DoctorBill!!
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 00:16:59 2025
    Verily, in article <107nett$235j$23@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.4308d49123708059897ff@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107mlia$vld7$1@dont-email.me>, did >YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 2025-08-15 00:14:42 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:

    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.

    What is that?

    It's when Timelords regenerate into liquid beings ... sentient puddles
    of goo, basically like crew member Yaphit on "The Orville". ;-)

    Heh, the Doctor regenerating into an inhuman shape could be a fun short. >It'd be about as serious as "The Curse of Fatal Death."


    You have seen CoFD I see.

    I have, though not in years. It was funny.


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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 00:18:11 2025
    Verily, in article <107ne6l$235j$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <107mtm9$1138b$4@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 06:15, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.


    What is that?


    Timelords can now change gender.


    No they can't. That idea is nothing more than fan fic. It never happened >because nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is considered to be canon.


    That is why I say the point to fix this mess starts from the Doctor's Wife.

    If the BBC Fairy appeared and made you the showrunner, how would you fix
    it?

    I don't mean generally; I already know that's "retcon the Timeless
    Child." I mean specifically. What would the plot(s) look like?


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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 00:19:33 2025
    Verily, in article <107net2$235j$22@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.4308d44581012f3f9897fe@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107mfpk$1b1r$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.


    What is that?


    Timelords can now change gender.

    Oh. I'm ignoring that. :)


    And that needs to be fixed!

    Do you want to fix the cross-sex regeneration, or that I'm ignoring it?


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  • From Your Name@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 08:10:52 2025
    On 2025-08-15 14:18:11 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
    Verily, in article <107ne6l$235j$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    In article <107mtm9$1138b$4@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 06:15, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.

    What is that?

    Timelords can now change gender.

    No they can't. That idea is nothing more than fan fic. It never happened >>> because nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is considered to be canon.

    That is why I say the point to fix this mess starts from the Doctor's Wife.

    If the BBC Fairy appeared and made you the showrunner, how would you fix
    it?

    I don't mean generally; I already know that's "retcon the Timeless
    Child." I mean specifically. What would the plot(s) look like?

    "Doctor Who: Dallas" - The Doctor or his companion wakes up in the
    shower realising the last few years have all just been a bad dream. :-p



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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 08:31:22 2025
    Verily, in article <107ob9c$1chtu$1@dont-email.me>, did
    YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 2025-08-15 14:18:11 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
    Verily, in article <107ne6l$235j$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    In article <107mtm9$1138b$4@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 06:15, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.

    What is that?

    Timelords can now change gender.

    No they can't. That idea is nothing more than fan fic. It never happened >>> because nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is considered to be canon.

    That is why I say the point to fix this mess starts from the Doctor's Wife.

    If the BBC Fairy appeared and made you the showrunner, how would you fix it?

    I don't mean generally; I already know that's "retcon the Timeless
    Child." I mean specifically. What would the plot(s) look like?

    "Doctor Who: Dallas" - The Doctor or his companion wakes up in the
    shower realising the last few years have all just been a bad dream. :-p

    Peter Capaldi has been trapped on the holodeck this whole time.

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 10:19:56 2025
    On 15/08/2025 15:03, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 7:10 pm, The True Doctor wrote:

    <Snip>

    The TARDIS played no part in Heaven Sent. It was all set inside the
    Doctor's Time Dial repeating the same actions over and over again for
    4 billion years. Are you confusing it with Hell Bent, and even then
    the TARDIS does nothing other than being a TARDIS.

    So The Doctor can re-generate over and over and over and over again for
    four billion years ..... but The Doctor couldn't possibly be The
    Timeless Child and regenerate a couple of billion (maybe) times before
    we got to DoctorBill!!

    You've obviously never watched the episode. The Doctor never regenerated
    even once. He died just after he materialised another copy of himself
    from the transporter buffer.

    --
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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 10:31:01 2025
    On 15/08/2025 15:18, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107ne6l$235j$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <107mtm9$1138b$4@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 06:15, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.43081bca2db398619897fd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107lr0s$16rd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    This is where Gaiman introduced the Timelord Fluidity.


    What is that?


    Timelords can now change gender.


    No they can't. That idea is nothing more than fan fic. It never happened >>> because nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is considered to be canon.


    That is why I say the point to fix this mess starts from the Doctor's Wife.

    If the BBC Fairy appeared and made you the showrunner, how would you fix
    it?

    I don't mean generally; I already know that's "retcon the Timeless
    Child." I mean specifically. What would the plot(s) look like?

    It would be an exact recreation of the scene from Dallas where Pam wakes
    up from a bad dream as Bobby walks out of the shower. In fact that exact
    scene will be playing on a TV screen in the background as Clara wakes up
    and sees Peter Capladi walking out of the TARDIS. It can follow on
    directly from the ending of Last Christmas reinstating Moffat's
    originally planned ending, and erase everything from continuity from
    Kill the Moon onwards.

    --
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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 22:32:07 2025
    On 16/08/2025 10:19 am, The True Doctor wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 15:03, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 15/08/2025 7:10 pm, The True Doctor wrote:

    <Snip>

    The TARDIS played no part in Heaven Sent. It was all set inside the
    Doctor's Time Dial repeating the same actions over and over again for
    4 billion years. Are you confusing it with Hell Bent, and even then
    the TARDIS does nothing other than being a TARDIS.

    So The Doctor can re-generate over and over and over and over again
    for four billion years ..... but The Doctor couldn't possibly be The
    Timeless Child and regenerate a couple of billion (maybe) times before
    we got to DoctorBill!!

    You've obviously never watched the episode. The Doctor never regenerated even once. He died just after he materialised another copy of himself
    from the transporter buffer.

    Oh!! Right! No regeneration ...... just a new copy .... the same as the
    last copy!!
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 23:40:16 2025
    Verily, in article <107ojg6$1e56n$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    It would be an exact recreation of the scene from Dallas where Pam wakes
    up from a bad dream as Bobby walks out of the shower. In fact that exact scene will be playing on a TV screen in the background as Clara wakes up
    and sees Peter Capladi walking out of the TARDIS.

    Hmm, maybe. Not sure about such an exact recreation, but the reference
    could work.

    It can follow on
    directly from the ending of Last Christmas reinstating Moffat's
    originally planned ending, and erase everything from continuity from
    Kill the Moon onwards.


    What did he originally plan?


    --
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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 23:41:51 2025
    Verily, in article <107opd2$28al$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    Still have to deal with the Doctor's Wife.


    We can come up with some BS for that. Idris was just working with House
    the whole time, playacting.


    --
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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 16 23:49:17 2025
    Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    Verily, in article <107ojg6$1e56n$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    It would be an exact recreation of the scene from Dallas
    where Pam wakes up from a bad dream as Bobby walks out of
    the shower. In fact that exact scene will be playing on a TV
    screen in the background as Clara wakes up and sees Peter
    Capladi walking out of the TARDIS.

    Hmm, maybe. Not sure about such an exact recreation, but the
    reference could work.

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything in
    the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

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  • From Your Name@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 08:52:44 2025
    On 2025-08-16 08:03:50 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article
    <MPG.4308e182a6dea980989806@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    If the BBC Fairy appeared and made you the showrunner,
    how would you fix it?

    I don't mean generally; I already know that's "retcon
    the Timeless Child." I mean specifically. What would the
    plot(s) look like?

    It should get rid of the gender fluidity. Step 1.

    The toothpaste isn't going back into the tube!

    It does sometimes. Occasionally, if I squeeze the tube too hard,
    releasing the grip slightly does mean some (or even all) of the
    toothpaste does go back into the tube. :-)


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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 18:48:19 2025
    On 16/08/2025 15:17, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.430a2a761d563bb398981b@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107opd2$28al$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    Still have to deal with the Doctor's Wife.


    We can come up with some BS for that. Idris was just working with House
    the whole time, playacting.


    Idris?


    Did you actually watch the episode?

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 18:51:40 2025
    On 16/08/2025 14:49, Blueshirt wrote:
    Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    Verily, in article <107ojg6$1e56n$2@dont-email.me>, did
    agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    It would be an exact recreation of the scene from Dallas
    where Pam wakes up from a bad dream as Bobby walks out of
    the shower. In fact that exact scene will be playing on a TV
    screen in the background as Clara wakes up and sees Peter
    Capladi walking out of the TARDIS.

    Hmm, maybe. Not sure about such an exact recreation, but the
    reference could work.

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything in
    the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

    No. Kill the Moon can't work in any universe that could possibly exists
    since it violates the laws of gravity and conservation of energy, and
    without those laws existing the Doctor wouldn't exist either. He would
    have even have even been conceived or loomed.

    Flat out erasure and everything being a bad dream is the only solution.

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 18:54:19 2025
    On 16/08/2025 14:40, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107ojg6$1e56n$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    It would be an exact recreation of the scene from Dallas where Pam wakes
    up from a bad dream as Bobby walks out of the shower. In fact that exact
    scene will be playing on a TV screen in the background as Clara wakes up
    and sees Peter Capladi walking out of the TARDIS.

    Hmm, maybe. Not sure about such an exact recreation, but the reference
    could work.

    It can follow on
    directly from the ending of Last Christmas reinstating Moffat's
    originally planned ending, and erase everything from continuity from
    Kill the Moon onwards.


    What did he originally plan?

    That the Doctor would arrive in Clara's bedroom to save her when she was already an old women. This would allow a much older Jenna Coleman or her
    to be replaced with another actress playing her as an old women.

    --
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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 20:31:42 2025
    On 17/08/2025 10:24, stupid penguin wrote:

    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 16/08/2025 14:49, Blueshirt wrote:

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything in
    the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

    No. Kill the Moon can't work in any universe that could possibly exists
    since it violates the laws of gravity and conservation of energy, and
    without those laws existing the Doctor wouldn't exist either. He would
    have even have even been conceived or loomed.

    ....wouldn't have even been...

    In that case, The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe
    since the linear induction corridor violates the conservation
    of momentum, which can’t happen without also violating
    conservation of energy, and of mass.

    Nope. The Doctor said it worked by neutralising inertia; since the
    concepts of physics and telepathy in The Pirate Planet were derived by
    Douglas Adams directly from E E Smith's Lensman series.

    Since the Doctor left the linear induction corridor with exactly the
    same momentum he entered it with there is no violation of any
    conservation laws. Neutralising inertial probably requires some kind of anti-gravity or negative mass, but then so does the TARDIS.


    Doctor Who ended in 1978.


    No it didn't. If you're going to be like that then it ended in 1963
    since time travel except travel forwards in time is impossible.


    Flat out erasure and everything being a bad dream is the only solution.


    Yep. They’ll have to create AI deepfakes of Mary Tamm and
    a young Tom Baker, and reveal how the Key To Time arc really ended!

    They won't need to do anything of the kind. No one saw the moon hatch
    into a space dragon which then flew away with nearly all of the moon's
    mass and at the same time replaced the moon with another egg of exactly
    the same mass as itself which looked exactly the same as the original
    moon with all the laser reflector missions, moon buggies, golf clubs,
    golf balls, American flags, footprints, and moon lander first stages all
    still there where they've always been, and all without affecting the
    Earth's orbit or climate in the process.

    There is no suspension of disbelief for Kill the Moon whatsoever.

    --
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    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 21:15:49 2025

    solar penguin wrote:

    The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe since
    the linear induction corridor violates the conservation
    of momentum, which can’t happen without also violating
    conservation of energy, and of mass.

    Er... okay.

    <Thinks this is starting to get a bit weird now...>

    Doctor Who ended in 1978.

    I see what you did there.

    They’ll have to create AI deepfakes of Mary Tamm
    and a young Tom Baker, and reveal how the Key To Time
    arc really ended.

    I'd watch!

    An AI Fourth Doctor and Romana (v1.0) that is...

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 21:19:44 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 16/08/2025 15:17, The Doctor wrote:
    In article
    <MPG.430a2a761d563bb398981b@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107opd2$28al$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    Still have to deal with the Doctor's Wife.


    We can come up with some BS for that. Idris was just
    working with House the whole time, playacting.

    Idris?

    Did you actually watch the episode?

    He keeps mentioning the episode but he doesn't seem to know
    what's actually in it!

    Clue for Dave: Idris rhymes with TARDIS.

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 23:53:05 2025
    Verily, in article <107sdhg$25rr$13@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <107s50j$25t6l$5@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 16/08/2025 15:17, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.430a2a761d563bb398981b@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107opd2$28al$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    Still have to deal with the Doctor's Wife.


    We can come up with some BS for that. Idris was just working with House >>> the whole time, playacting.


    Idris?


    Did you actually watch the episode?


    I am wondering if she refers to Idris Elba.

    I mean the woman into whom House allegedly transferred the
    soul^H^H^H^Hmatrix of the TARDIS. Wasn't she named Idris? Wikipedia says
    she was, at least.


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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 17 23:59:12 2025
    On 17/08/2025 8:31 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
    On 17/08/2025 10:24, stupid penguin wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote:
    On 16/08/2025 14:49, Blueshirt wrote:

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything
    in the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

    No. Kill the Moon can't work in any universe that could possibly
    exists since it violates the laws of gravity and conservation of
    energy, and without those laws existing the Doctor wouldn't exist
    either. He would have even have even been conceived or loomed.

    ...wouldn't have even been...

    In that case, The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe since
    the linear induction corridor violates the conservation of
    momentum, which can’t happen without also violating conservation of
    energy, and of mass.

    Nope. The Doctor said it worked by neutralising inertia; since the
    concepts of physics and telepathy in The Pirate Planet were derived
    by Douglas Adams directly from E E Smith's Lensman series.

    Since the Doctor left the linear induction corridor with exactly the
    same momentum he entered it with there is no violation of any
    conservation laws. Neutralising inertial probably requires some kind
    of anti-gravity or negative mass, but then so does the TARDIS.

    Doctor Who ended in 1978.

    What's this "Doctor Who" to which you refer?? Never heard of it here in
    *MY* Universe!! ;-P

    No it didn't. If you're going to be like that then it ended in 1963
    since time travel except travel forwards in time is impossible.

    Flat out erasure and everything being a bad dream is the only
    solution.

    Yep. They’ll have to create AI deepfakes of Mary Tamm and a young
    Tom Baker, and reveal how the Key To Time arc really ended!

    They won't need to do anything of the kind. No one saw the moon hatch
    into a space dragon which then flew away with nearly all of the
    moon's mass and at the same time replaced the moon with another egg
    of exactly the same mass as itself which looked exactly the same as
    the original moon with all the laser reflector missions, moon
    buggies, golf clubs, golf balls, American flags, footprints, and moon
    lander first stages all still there where they've always been,

    Do we know that all these thing were actually still in "their positions"
    on the NEW, IMPROVED Moon?? Have "WE" been back to OUR Moon since??
    Might The Moon flying away have been in a parallel Universe??
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 00:01:27 2025
    On 17/08/2025 9:15 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    solar penguin wrote:

    The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe since
    the linear induction corridor violates the conservation
    of momentum, which can’t happen without also violating
    conservation of energy, and of mass.

    Er... okay.

    <Thinks this is starting to get a bit weird now...>

    'starting'??

    Doctor Who ended in 1978.

    In which Universe??

    I see what you did there.

    I didn't.

    They’ll have to create AI deepfakes of Mary Tamm
    and a young Tom Baker, and reveal how the Key To Time
    arc really ended.

    I'd watch!

    An AI Fourth Doctor and Romana (v1.0) that is...

    --
    Daniel70

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 01:01:07 2025
    On 17/08/2025 12:36, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <xn0p9ngxi9ixkj001@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 16/08/2025 15:17, The Doctor wrote:
    In article
    <MPG.430a2a761d563bb398981b@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <107opd2$28al$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
    Still have to deal with the Doctor's Wife.


    We can come up with some BS for that. Idris was just
    working with House the whole time, playacting.

    Idris?

    Did you actually watch the episode?

    He keeps mentioning the episode but he doesn't seem to know
    what's actually in it!

    Clue for Dave: Idris rhymes with TARDIS.

    What about Idris Elba?

    Is Idris Elba a woman?

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 01:02:30 2025
    On 17/08/2025 12:15, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <107sb2e$2830n$2@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 17/08/2025 10:24, stupid penguin wrote:

    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 16/08/2025 14:49, Blueshirt wrote:

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything in
    the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

    No. Kill the Moon can't work in any universe that could possibly exists >>>> since it violates the laws of gravity and conservation of energy, and
    without those laws existing the Doctor wouldn't exist either. He would >>>> have even have even been conceived or loomed.

    ...wouldn't have even been...

    In that case, The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe
    since the linear induction corridor violates the conservation
    of momentum, which can’t happen without also violating
    conservation of energy, and of mass.

    Nope. The Doctor said it worked by neutralising inertia; since the
    concepts of physics and telepathy in The Pirate Planet were derived by
    Douglas Adams directly from E E Smith's Lensman series.

    Since the Doctor left the linear induction corridor with exactly the
    same momentum he entered it with there is no violation of any
    conservation laws. Neutralising inertial probably requires some kind of
    anti-gravity or negative mass, but then so does the TARDIS.


    Doctor Who ended in 1978.


    No it didn't. If you're going to be like that then it ended in 1963
    since time travel except travel forwards in time is impossible.


    Flat out erasure and everything being a bad dream is the only solution. >>>>

    Yep. They’ll have to create AI deepfakes of Mary Tamm and
    a young Tom Baker, and reveal how the Key To Time arc really ended!

    They won't need to do anything of the kind. No one saw the moon hatch
    into a space dragon which then flew away with nearly all of the moon's
    mass and at the same time replaced the moon with another egg of exactly
    the same mass as itself which looked exactly the same as the original
    moon with all the laser reflector missions, moon buggies, golf clubs,
    golf balls, American flags, footprints, and moon lander first stages all
    still there where they've always been, and all without affecting the
    Earth's orbit or climate in the process.

    There is no suspension of disbelief for Kill the Moon whatsoever.


    As in the Moon as an Egg and that the creature is born pregnant.

    Pregnant with twice the mass of the moon?

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

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  • From Melissa Hollingsworth@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 01:10:24 2025
    Verily, in article <107squ7$2cuph$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    As in the Moon as an Egg and that the creature is born pregnant.

    Pregnant with twice the mass of the moon?


    It has Time Lord technology in its biology. It's bigger on the inside.

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 02:50:20 2025
    On 17/08/2025 15:23, stupid penguin wrote:
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 17/08/2025 10:24, stupid penguin wrote:

    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 16/08/2025 14:49, Blueshirt wrote:

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything in
    the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

    No. Kill the Moon can't work in any universe that could possibly exists >>>> since it violates the laws of gravity and conservation of energy, and
    without those laws existing the Doctor wouldn't exist either. He would >>>> have even have even been conceived or loomed.

    ...wouldn't have even been...

    In that case, The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe
    since the linear induction corridor violates the conservation
    of momentum, which can’t happen without also violating
    conservation of energy, and of mass.

    Nope. The Doctor said it worked by neutralising inertia; since the
    concepts of physics and telepathy in The Pirate Planet were derived by
    Douglas Adams directly from E E Smith's Lensman series.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc, again.

    You are talking absolute nonsense. Have you read E E Smith's Lensman
    series and show space travel works in it?



    Since the Doctor left the linear induction corridor with exactly the
    same momentum he entered it with there is no violation of any
    conservation laws. Neutralising inertial probably requires some kind of
    anti-gravity or negative mass, but then so does the TARDIS.


    Inertia is momentum. They’re the same thing. If you’re
    neutralising inertia you’re literally neutralising momentum.
    That’s what inertia means.

    Inertia means an object's ability to resist changes to its state of rest
    or motion. It's described in Newton's first law. An object will remain
    in its existing state of rest or motion unless an external force is applied.

    Why do you think photons are able to travel at the speed of light. Guess
    what happens when you remove an object's inertia by neutralising it's
    mass? Any amount of acceleration will instantly propel it to the speed
    of light. If you can control the amount of residual mass of the object
    then you can determine what speed it will accelerate to.

    A mass of 100kg is travelling at a speed of 1 m/s. It transfers all of
    its momentum to a mass of 1kg. Applying the law of conservation of
    momentum what speed is the 1kg mass now travelling at?

    Answer please? Let's see what you actually know.


    And the Doctor even confirms that it’s breaking conservation
    of momentum later, in his conversation with Romana later.

    DOCTOR: No, no, no, wait a minute. The inertia neutraliser. You
    know, I think the conservation of momentum is a very important law
    in physics, don't you?
    ROMANA: Yes.
    DOCTOR: I don't think anyone should tamper with it, do you?

    So according to the Doctor himself, conservation of momentum
    can be violated, even though he thinks it shouldn’t be allowed.


    Did you understand that this was a joke the Doctor was making to Romana
    when he interfered with the machine and sent the Captain's guards flying
    into the distance falling flat on their faces so they could escape? He prevents the machine from restoring their mass and decelerating them
    (their momentum p thus always remained the same so no laws violated),
    thus their inertia keeps moving them forward until they hit the ground
    or a large rock and then the law of conservation of momentum kicks in
    and they transfer all of their momentum (p = mv) to the object which
    they hit and come to an instant halt knocking them out.


    Doctor Who ended in 1978.


    No it didn't. If you're going to be like that then it ended in 1963
    since time travel except travel forwards in time is impossible.


    So you’re happy accepting some impossible things but not
    others?

    It's already been established since the second episode that the TARDIS
    can travel in time, it is capable of travelling FTL by the end of
    episode 4, and it can neutralise its mass, therefore inertia, and can
    generate artificial gravity or anti-gravity. You can suspend your
    disbelief for all of that.

    The moon is not the egg of a space dragon which generates mass out of
    nothing and flies off at close to the speed of light without effecting
    the Earth's orbit after laying an egg which looks exactly the moon did
    before and still contains all of the objects the astronauts placed on
    it. It doesn't even recognise that you become weightless in free fall,
    and no rational explanations are given for it breaking all the laws of physics. Therefore there can be non suspension of disbelief. End of story.


    Double standards?


    It's called suspension of disbelief obtained through credible story writing.


    Yep. They’ll have to create AI deepfakes of Mary Tamm and
    a young Tom Baker, and reveal how the Key To Time arc really ended!

    They won't need to do anything of the kind. No one saw the moon hatch
    into a space dragon which then flew away with nearly all of the moon's
    mass and at the same time replaced the moon with another egg of exactly
    the same mass as itself which looked exactly the same as the original
    moon with all the laser reflector missions, moon buggies, golf clubs,
    golf balls, American flags, footprints, and moon lander first stages all
    still there where they've always been, and all without affecting the
    Earth's orbit or climate in the process.

    Who says all the flags, golf balls, etc. are still there? You made
    that up, didn’t you?

    They've been observed from satellites orbiting the moon and from Earth
    based telescopes measuring the distance between the Earth and the
    reflectors, etc.

    What happened to those satellites making the observations too?

    Why wasn't the Earth destroyed from the earthquakes and mega tsunamis
    that would have resulted from the moon leaving the Earth's obit at close
    to the speed of light, and mass leaving and coming out of nowhere?


    There is no suspension of disbelief for Kill the Moon whatsoever.
    i to the

    That still doesn’t mean Doctor Who ended. It just means it

    Nothing from Kill the Moon onwards can be considered to be canon. Doctor
    Who ended in 2017.

    had a disappointing episode. Big deal. In a programme that’s
    lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always going to be
    a few episodes that are more disappointing than others.


    Kill the Moon spelled the end for Doctor Who. The writers had totally
    ran out of ideas and treated the audience like morons, like the morons
    they had piloting a space shuttle including a low achieving delinquent
    school girl. Why would anyone put people like that in space?

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 03:09:20 2025
    On 17/08/2025 16:10, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <107squ7$2cuph$2@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    As in the Moon as an Egg and that the creature is born pregnant.

    Pregnant with twice the mass of the moon?


    It has Time Lord technology in its biology. It's bigger on the inside.


    Geological surveys of the moon and its inerior show nothing of the kind.

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 18 23:43:26 2025
    On 18/08/2025 12:23 am, solar penguin wrote:
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 17/08/2025 10:24, stupid penguin wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote:
    On 16/08/2025 14:49, Blueshirt wrote:

    Easier than a shower scene... they could just say everything in
    the show since ____ (enter a date that suits your own head
    canon) is set in an alternate universe.

    Mavity could have been a thing since then too!

    Simples.

    No. Kill the Moon can't work in any universe that could possibly exists >>>> since it violates the laws of gravity and conservation of energy, and
    without those laws existing the Doctor wouldn't exist either. He would >>>> have even have even been conceived or loomed.

    ...wouldn't have even been...

    In that case, The Pirate Planet can’t happen in any universe
    since the linear induction corridor violates the conservation
    of momentum, which can’t happen without also violating
    conservation of energy, and of mass.

    Nope. The Doctor said it worked by neutralising inertia; since the
    concepts of physics and telepathy in The Pirate Planet were derived by
    Douglas Adams directly from E E Smith's Lensman series.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc, again.

    Since the Doctor left the linear induction corridor with exactly the
    same momentum he entered it with there is no violation of any
    conservation laws. Neutralising inertial probably requires some kind of
    anti-gravity or negative mass, but then so does the TARDIS.

    Inertia is momentum. They’re the same thing. If you’re
    neutralising inertia you’re literally neutralising momentum.
    That’s what inertia means.

    From DuckDuckGo

    inertia /ĭ-nûr′shə/
    noun

    The tendency of a body at rest to remain at rest or of a body in
    straight line motion to stay in motion in a straight line unless acted
    on by an outside force; the resistance of a body to changes in momentum. Resistance or disinclination to motion, action, or change.
    "an entrenched bureaucracy's inertia."
    That property of matter by which it tends when at rest to remain
    so, and *when in motion to continue in motion* , and in the same
    straight line or direction, *unless acted on by some external force* ;
    -- sometimes called vis inerti‘. *The inertia of a body is proportional
    to its mass* .
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Aug 19 22:21:20 2025
    On 19/08/2025 4:29 am, solar penguin wrote:
    Daniel declared:
    On 18/08/2025 12:23 am, solar penguin wrote:
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

    <Snip>

    Since the Doctor left the linear induction corridor with exactly the
    same momentum he entered it with there is no violation of any
    conservation laws. Neutralising inertial probably requires some kind of >>>> anti-gravity or negative mass, but then so does the TARDIS.

    Inertia is momentum. They’re the same thing. If you’re
    neutralising inertia you’re literally neutralising momentum.
    That’s what inertia means.

    From DuckDuckGo

    inertia /ĭ-nûr′shə/
    noun

    The tendency of a body at rest to remain at rest or of a body in
    straight line motion to stay in motion in a straight line unless acted
    on by an outside force; the resistance of a body to changes in momentum.
    Resistance or disinclination to motion, action, or change.
    "an entrenched bureaucracy's inertia."
    That property of matter by which it tends when at rest to remain
    so, and *when in motion to continue in motion* , and in the same
    straight line or direction, *unless acted on by some external force* ;
    -- sometimes called vis inerti‘. *The inertia of a body is proportional
    to its mass* .

    Thank you. It looks like my memory was cheating and I might’ve
    been wrong about momentum being the same as inertia.

    Never mind. As the Doctor himself once said: ‘Even I am
    occasionally wrong about some things.

    Sorry!! When did Binky type that??

    Oh!! Hang on! You mean one of the T.V. 'Doctors'!! ;-P
    --
    Daniel70

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