• Re: The Watcher

    From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 2 22:34:05 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 1/08/2025 9:25 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    "Pip & Jane"?? Weren't they two of Enid Blyton's
    "Famous Five" or "Secret Seven" characters??

    No Pip or Jane were part of the Famous Five or Secret Seven.
    (There was a Janet though... which is close.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Seven

    "The Secret Seven consists of Peter (the society's head),
    Janet (Peter's sister), Pam, Barbara, Jack, Colin and George"

    None of those names rings a particular Bell!!

    They were fairly standard names for books of that time. In my
    head I had a John in there and no George, as I thought George
    was only in the 'Famous Five', but I knew there was no Pip or
    Jane.

    Try again...

    Hint: Doctor Who writers.

    Yes, I knew that .... just trying (and FAILING) to make other
    connections.

    There was a Jane in children's books, those educational ones
    they had in schools with numbers as the books got harder to
    read.


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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 4 17:43:17 2025
    On 02/08/2025 13:34, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 1/08/2025 9:25 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    "Pip & Jane"?? Weren't they two of Enid Blyton's
    "Famous Five" or "Secret Seven" characters??

    No Pip or Jane were part of the Famous Five or Secret Seven.
    (There was a Janet though... which is close.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Seven

    "The Secret Seven consists of Peter (the society's head),
    Janet (Peter's sister), Pam, Barbara, Jack, Colin and George"

    None of those names rings a particular Bell!!

    They were fairly standard names for books of that time. In my
    head I had a John in there and no George, as I thought George
    was only in the 'Famous Five', but I knew there was no Pip or
    Jane.

    Try again...

    Hint: Doctor Who writers.

    Yes, I knew that .... just trying (and FAILING) to make other
    connections.

    There was a Jane in children's books, those educational ones
    they had in schools with numbers as the books got harder to
    read.


    Peter and Jane, Janet and John

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 4 19:34:18 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 02/08/2025 13:34, Blueshirt wrote:

    There was a Jane in children's books, those educational
    ones they had in schools with numbers as the books got
    harder to read.

    Peter and Jane, Janet and John

    That sounds familiar. It was a very long time ago though...

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 4 21:34:58 2025
    On 04/08/2025 12:12, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/08/2025 5:43 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
    On 02/08/2025 13:34, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 1/08/2025 9:25 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    "Pip & Jane"?? Weren't they two of Enid Blyton's
    "Famous Five" or "Secret Seven" characters??

    No Pip or Jane were part of the Famous Five or Secret Seven.
    (There was a Janet though... which is close.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Seven

    "The Secret Seven consists of Peter (the society's head),
    Janet (Peter's sister), Pam, Barbara, Jack, Colin and George"

    None of those names rings a particular Bell!!

    They were fairly standard names for books of that time. In my
    head I had a John in there and no George, as I thought George
    was only in the 'Famous Five', but I knew there was no Pip or
    Jane.

    Try again...

    Hint: Doctor Who writers.

    Yes, I knew that .... just trying (and FAILING) to make other
    connections.

    There was a Jane in children's books, those educational ones
    they had in schools with numbers as the books got harder to
    read.


    Peter and Jane, Janet and John

    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/68475/15-fun-facts-about-dick-and-jane


    Is this some spoof written by AI?

    There was no Dick and Jane. It was called Peter and Jane and it came
    from the 1970s or maybe late 60s.

    "Once a beloved teaching tool, Dick and Jane was later denounced as
    dull, counterproductive, and even misogynistic. Still, whether you loved
    or hated them, there’s no denying that little Dick and Jane have earned their place in history."

    However ....

    "9. THERE WAS A DICK AND JANE BACKLASH IN THE LATE 1950S.

    When the look-say strategy began falling out of favor, its poster kids
    were vilified. In 1955, the educational manifesto Why Johnny Can’t Read championed a return to phonics-based teaching. And author Rudolf Flesch
    had some choice words for Dick and Jane. The entire franchise, he
    argued, was “horrible, stupid, emasculated, pointless, [and] tasteless.”

    Then, finally, ....

    "15. ONE AUTHOR CAME UP WITH AN EPILOGUE FOR THE FAMILY.

    Education expert A. Sterl Artley joined the Dick and Jane team after
    World War II. Following his retirement from academia, the scholar busied himself by hitting the road and delivering lectures prior to his death
    in 1998. Audiences always asked “Whatever happened to Dick and Jane?” Artley’s standard reply was that Dick became a politician who uses the slogan “Run, Dick, run.” As for Jane, she turned into a staunch woman’s
    rights advocate. Finally, grown-up Sally now teaches at—where else?—an elementary school, where, he explained, she often told her students to “Jump, children, jump.”



    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 4 22:17:04 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 4/08/2025 9:34 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
    On 04/08/2025 12:12, Daniel70 wrote:

    There was no Dick and Jane. It was called Peter and Jane
    and it came from the 1970s or maybe late 60s.

    Maybe at your school, Aggy, but I can recall reading 'Dick and
    Jane' books in the early 60's.

    FWIW, we had a Caitln and Pdraig in our own language books, as
    well as the English language Ladybird books that would have come
    in from the UK, so I assume different countries had different
    books based around the same principle... a boy and a girl
    helping us learn words with pictures, etc.

    So down there you got some Dick, whilst others got a Peter.
    Lucky you!

    :-)

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Aug 6 00:15:57 2025
    On 04/08/2025 12:52, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/08/2025 9:34 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
    On 04/08/2025 12:12, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/08/2025 5:43 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
    On 02/08/2025 13:34, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 1/08/2025 9:25 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    "Pip & Jane"?? Weren't they two of Enid Blyton's
    "Famous Five" or "Secret Seven" characters??

    No Pip or Jane were part of the Famous Five or Secret Seven.
    (There was a Janet though... which is close.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Seven

    "The Secret Seven consists of Peter (the society's head),
    Janet (Peter's sister), Pam, Barbara, Jack, Colin and George"

    None of those names rings a particular Bell!!

    They were fairly standard names for books of that time. In my
    head I had a John in there and no George, as I thought George
    was only in the 'Famous Five', but I knew there was no Pip or
    Jane.

    Try again...

    Hint: Doctor Who writers.

    Yes, I knew that .... just trying (and FAILING) to make other
    connections.

    There was a Jane in children's books, those educational ones
    they had in schools with numbers as the books got harder to
    read.


    Peter and Jane, Janet and John

    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/68475/15-fun-facts-about-dick-
    and-jane

    Is this some spoof written by AI?

    Not that I know, Aggy.


    Well it sounds like it.

    There was no Dick and Jane. It was called Peter and Jane and it came
    from the 1970s or maybe late 60s.

    Maybe at your school, Aggy, but I can recall reading 'Dick and Jane'
    books in the early 60's.

    Are you sure? Are you telling me they went woke and changed Dick's name
    to Peter because Dick gave them sex on the brain?


    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." --William Shatner

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Aug 6 05:27:39 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 04/08/2025 12:52, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 4/08/2025 9:34 pm, The True Doctor wrote:

    There was no Dick and Jane. It was called Peter and
    Jane and it came from the 1970s or maybe late 60s.

    Maybe at your school, Aggy, but I can recall reading 'Dick
    and Jane' books in the early 60's.

    Are you sure? Are you telling me they went woke and changed
    Dick's name to Peter because Dick gave them sex on the brain?

    Clearly Jane had too much Dick and decided to team up with Peter
    instead...

    It happens.

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