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    From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jul 29 09:54:36 2025
    On 28/07/2025 23:17, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <1068rdk$2amo3$3@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    On 28/07/2025 19:01, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Verily, in article <1068590$26qqp$1@dont-email.me>, did
    agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
    You need to try out https://suno.com/ then. It makes better music and
    sings better than anything in the UK pop charts right now.



    I just did, and it was awful. It rhymed and had a standard chord

    What? You must have been listening to too much modern pop music that
    it's rotted your mind.

    progression, but there was no art. At all. The AI voice was also very

    What is wrong with it rhyming and standard chord progressions?

    Nothing at all. That's the bare minimum, which is exactly what an AI can manage -- and all it can manage, without firm human guidance.


    Tell that to Paul McCartney.

    You have
    clearly being brainwashed into accepting deficient garbage instead of
    real music. Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome once again.

    If you think AI sound prediction is music, you're in no position to
    evaluate my taste.

    Your taste has been dictated to you by the people around you rather then
    the music itself. If you were in a position to appreciate music on the
    basis of composition and singing ability you would have sided with the AI.



    Nope. The AI voice always hit the high notes and didn't slur, howl,
    yelp, bark and mumble like modern pop singers who think singling is
    about impersonating a drunken dog.

    I shudder to think what you're trying to listen to, and I also wonder
    why.

    Well, I've just been listening to the AI singing and playing "Havana Electropop" which it selected for me and surprisingly I could understand
    every word of it despite it being sung in Spanish which I have very
    little to no knowledge off whatsoever.

    This tells me two things, firstly that the AI singers are far superior
    to real life singers since unlike modern pop songs I can recognise every single word they are singing. I can barely do this listening to the
    Billboard Latin charts or the English pop charts these days because the howling, slurring, barking, mumbling, and yelping is so bad. Secondly
    the AI is using a very simple and limited language model to write the
    songs since I know all the words it's using in a foreign language, and
    still it can write far far better and meaningful songs than today's pop singers and composers who write absolute incoherent and meaningless
    garbage which usually consists of the same two or three words chanted
    over and over and over again, sometimes in different intonations, most
    of the time it's exactly the same sample being repeated, which is what
    modern EDM and R&B solely consists off now.

    Once again the AI wins by a landslide.

    Now it's getting me to listen to Classical choral music it has composed
    and ones again it's far superior to the modern dissonant crap that has destroyed the entire classical genre since the 40s and 50s.

    The model for writing the lyrics is still very simple but this results
    better composition.


    I watched Glastonbury. All the modern singer were complete and utter
    crap with no idea how to sing or to write music. The only good singers
    were the ones from 40 to 50 years ago. Even Rod Stewart who has almost
    completely lost his voice could still sing better than the modern dog
    music passed off as pop.

    Well, duh, and that's because modern pop is already half AI.

    Nope. It's worse than AI. Gary Newman who I learned today is now almost
    stone deaf was singing far better and in tune and in key than any of
    today's singers despite not being able to hear most of the music.


    Try Bandcamp, if you don't know where to start. Put in the names of some classic bands you already know to be good, or just head for a genre you
    like, and you'll probably find a few good newer bands.

    Tried it. It's all absolute crap and there's no Reggaeton, Bachata, or
    Salsa. No Tsifteteli, Chiftetelli or Maqsoum either. Doesn't know it
    under the term Fellaha either, so no bellydance music then. It seems
    that you have a very limited knowledge of music. AI writes and performs
    it better and has got almost all the genres sussed.

    Now listening to Hyper Egyptian and Egyptian Swing from the AI. It knows
    the generas perfectly.

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Jul 30 04:04:55 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 28/07/2025 23:17, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    What is wrong with it rhyming and standard chord
    progressions?

    Nothing at all. That's the bare minimum, which is exactly
    what an AI can manage -- and all it can manage, without
    firm human guidance.

    Tell that to Paul McCartney.

    Let it be Aggy...

    If you think AI sound prediction is music, you're in no
    position to evaluate my taste.

    Your taste has been dictated to you by the people around you
    rather then the music itself. If you were in a position to
    appreciate music on the basis of composition and singing
    ability you would have sided with the AI.

    AI might be better at writing songs than a lot of the stuff
    that passes for music these days, but until it can top "A Day
    in the Life" I'm sticking with my LP's...

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