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    From Theory11@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Apr 19 20:46:28 2025
    It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slow
    death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
    twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
    point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Apr 19 23:16:34 2025
    Theory11 wrote:

    It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying
    a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave
    life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible for the death
    of Dr Who or can we point the finger at society in general and
    changing viewer habits?

    Pre-"Lux" my take is that expectation is killing "Doctor Who".
    Just as the natural course of life for humans means death, TV
    shows cannot go on forever either. How does any showrunner keep
    the show fresh in 2025?

    RTD is not perfect, and he'd probably accept that himself... but
    he is not a miracle maker either. Fans were unhappy with "Doctor
    Who" long before he returned to the show, or Disney's
    partnership with the BBC even.

    No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
    fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
    suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
    Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
    just needs a rest like it did in 1989?

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Apr 19 23:23:22 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <vu059q$1erc7$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    Or might it be that 'we' were just sooooo happy to seen
    'Doctor Who' (any 'Doctor Who') back that we watched what
    was really garbage, and 'we' accepted it??

    RTD is out of ideas.

    RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
    matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...

    Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
    BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
    Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Apr 19 23:50:05 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <9ffc42beb75201986df674c8973032f6@www.novabbs.com>,
    Theory11 <card.master@bee92.invalid.com> wrote:
    It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral,
    dying a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man
    that gave life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible
    for the death of Dr Who or can we point the finger at
    society in general and changing viewer habits?

    For 2 reasons

    A) The Timeless Child needs to be retconned!

    At a guess, the majority of people watching "Doctor Who" don't
    give a damn about the Timeless Child and a lot of those that it
    did bother have stopped watching.

    B) RTD is not coming up with a new formula.

    What new formula would you like to see Dave... beyond retconning
    the Timeless Child obviously?

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  • From Hornplayer9599@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Apr 20 01:10:41 2025
    On 4/19/2025 09:48, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <sONMP.1433035$dBr6.587948@fx04.ams4>,
    Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
    On 4/19/2025 08:23, Blueshirt wrote:


    RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
    matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...

    And that would get RTD a pyrrhic victory at best.

    Reminds me of the occasional county fair(s) where a radio station runs a
    promotion where someone can win a brand new car. The catch is the
    contestants have to put their hand on the car, and if they remove their
    hand, they lose. So the contest starts with 10-15 people putting their
    hand on the car in hopes of being the last one to remove their hand.
    The car has been sitting in the hot sun all day, and the metal is
    scorching hot. People will put their hand on the car in spite of the
    intense heat of the metal, and keep it there, because "I got to win me a
    new car"....all the time the flesh on their hand is burning.


    Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
    BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
    Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.

    Agreed.


    New showrunner without RTD connectionis.


    Sadly at this point I think only a Barry Letts type of showrunner can help...and I don't see many people of that type lining up to take a
    crack at it.

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Apr 20 02:21:06 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <xn0p4qla386wezf002@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    A) The Timeless Child needs to be retconned!

    At a guess, the majority of people watching "Doctor Who"
    don't give a damn about the Timeless Child and a lot of
    those that it did bother have stopped watching.

    B) RTD is not coming up with a new formula.

    What new formula would you like to see Dave... beyond
    retconning the Timeless Child obviously?

    That could bring back Gallifrey and the TimeLords.

    I think Mrs Flood is a Time Lord. Does that count?

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Apr 20 02:21:07 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
    on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
    "Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.

    Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
    co-showrunners!

    I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
    would do a better job...

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Apr 20 02:30:51 2025
    On 19/04/2025 11:46, Theory11 wrote:
    It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slow
    death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
    twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
    point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?

    It's woke degeneracy that is responsible for destroying the show because
    a bunch or mentally sick retards want to signal their fake virtue to the audience and denounce them as being sexists, racists, and bigots, while
    it's these sick perverted retards who are the real sexists, racists, and bigots continue practising their discussing perversions.

    Everyone knows what these degenerates are really like. The can think of nothing except sex and how to abuse others, as exemplified by the incel Russell T Davies himself who abused and humiliated the cast and crew on
    the show in 2005, not listening to any of their concerned and
    suggestions and causing Christopher Eccleston to quit. This degenerate
    incel pervert pretends to send out a message against racism and yet race
    swaps the historical figure Isaac Newton so he can give one of his gay
    friends a cameo on the show. The racist pretends to virtue signal by
    casting an Indian actress to play the companion who is called Belinda,
    which is not even an Indian name because the pervert wrote the character
    as white British and gave her a white British name.

    Viewers have had enough of being directly attacked, demeaned, and
    insulted by these disgusting people running the entertainment industry, blaming everything on them instead of taking responsibility for the
    industry's own depravity which they themselves are responsible for.
    Viewers have also had enough of these perverts trying to sexually groom
    their children. Perverts who work for an organisation that protected
    child molesters like Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris, and choses to
    represent itself with a stature created by a self admitted child
    molester which it has placed in a protective glass box about the front
    door of its London HQ instead of taking it down.

    These perverts instead of creating positive role-models for people to
    follow love to create fake negative derogatory stereotypes from their
    own imaginations which are actually representations of their own
    behaviour and use them to attack men and masculinity because they
    themselves are gay and involuntarily celibate. These predatory incels
    can't portray a loving relationship between a man and a woman, but
    instead love portraying misogyny, because that's what represents them
    and their own behaviour towards women.

    They latch onto false narratives created by a minority of hate filled
    far-left activists and propagate them as if they were factually based,
    which they are not. You see the lie of the patriarchy being perpetuated
    which is no different to the lies propagated by the Nazis against the
    Jews and big business.

    Men are deliberately demeaned, belittled, portrayed as week,
    incompetent, effeminate, and unheroic. No positive role models for men
    and boys are allowed to be shown because this would take away women's
    agency from them. Instead women are portrayed in positions of power and authority normally held by men and show in the most unfeminine manner.

    Why would anyone want to watch this woke garbage which doesn't represent either them or anyone they know? That's what viewing habits are
    changing. Everyone has had enough of it.

    It isn't real society which these perverts are portraying. It's their
    own elitist circle that thinks and behaves in they way they describe.
    They are the pigs on Animal Farm who are the complete opposite of
    everything they claim to stand for.

    It's time to put an end to this woke degeneracy and go back to
    traditional family values, where the man is the father figure, the
    masculine heroic role model, the bread winner, and the head of the
    household and heterosexual, always respectful towards women, loving and cherishing them, and the women is the mother, the provider of care, the feminine role model, and the person who brings up the children, suckling
    and feeding them until they are old enough to be taught by their father
    in the ways of life and how to survive by themselves.

    The entertainment industry must put end to this woke degeneracy now and
    root out people like Russell T Davies, Chris Chibnall, and Steven Moffat
    and they degenerate soap opera hacks that have destroyed Doctor Who by
    making it about social issues instead of escapist entertainment where
    they can leave their ordinary lives behind and be immerse in new worlds, scientific ideas, and philosophy, logic, and reason, not meaningless and irrational sentiment and emotion.

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." -William Shatner


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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Apr 20 05:33:38 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <xn0p4qpay8cak58002@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
    co-showrunners!

    I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
    Horny would do a better job...

    Sounds like that might not work. We want Retcon the Timeless
    child!

    The RADW Triumvirate will decide...

    I'm sure they would concentrate on telling good stories and not
    pandering to every Tom, Dick and Harry though... if the BBC were
    wise enough to give them the job of course.

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  • From The True Doctor@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Apr 21 03:46:47 2025
    On 19/04/2025 14:16, Blueshirt wrote:
    Theory11 wrote:

    It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying
    a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave
    life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible for the death
    of Dr Who or can we point the finger at society in general and
    changing viewer habits?

    Pre-"Lux" my take is that expectation is killing "Doctor Who".
    Just as the natural course of life for humans means death, TV
    shows cannot go on forever either. How does any showrunner keep
    the show fresh in 2025?

    RTD is not perfect, and he'd probably accept that himself... but
    he is not a miracle maker either. Fans were unhappy with "Doctor
    Who" long before he returned to the show, or Disney's
    partnership with the BBC even.

    No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
    fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
    suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
    Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
    just needs a rest like it did in 1989?

    I would have written a long reply to this by the reviewer in this
    article almost hit the nail square on the head until he started praising
    Gatwa for luring his young fans to a creaky show by acting, dressing,
    and behaving like a sex starved pervert, and that's why people aren't
    watching or letting their children watch the show any more. Can't these
    fools see what they are encouraging?

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-end-of-doctor-who/

    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." -William Shatner

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Apr 21 06:43:51 2025
    solar penguin wrote:

    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:
    In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
    on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
    "Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.

    Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
    co-showrunners!

    I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
    Horny would do a better job...

    Sensible? Me? No, I’m only sensible compared to Yads and Aggy.

    Everything is relative in RADW Land...

    In any other group I’d be the weird one!

    That probably applies to all of us!

    Maybe that's why we choose to hang here... we come across as
    quite sane compared to some?!

    :-)

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Apr 21 06:43:53 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
    co-showrunners!

    I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
    Horny would do a better job...

    ;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
    even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)

    You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
    commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
    adaptations especially!

    Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??

    It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see quality
    crime drama reach the TV screen.

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 22 06:03:37 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
    commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
    adaptations especially!

    Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??

    It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
    quality crime drama reach the TV screen.

    AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
    repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.

    Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
    over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
    worth commissioning.

    Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
    Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...

    Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
    crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.

    Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!

    What part of voluntary did you not get?

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  • From Your Name@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 22 08:50:41 2025
    On 2025-04-21 20:03:37 +0000, Blueshirt said:

    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
    commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
    adaptations especially!

    Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??

    It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
    quality crime drama reach the TV screen.

    AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
    repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.

    Morse could do with a reboot alright;

    NO! NO! NO! NO! *NO!!!!*

    All reboots are awful! They need to stop lazily butchering old shows
    and movies, and come up with some actual *new* stuff of their own.




    John Thaw has been dead over twenty years! A new series of those
    adaptations would be worth commissioning.

    Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
    Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...

    Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
    crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.

    Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!

    What part of voluntary did you not get?



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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 22 19:38:06 2025
    solar penguin wrote:


    How about an adaptation of Agatha Christie’s ‘The Mysterious
    Mr. Quinn’ with David Tennant playing a very Doctorish
    version of the title character. The idea is suggesting that
    Christie might’ve based him on her subconscious memory of
    meeting the Doctor in ‘The Unicorn and the Wasp.’

    Or is that just too meta?

    After Saturday is anything TOO meta?!

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Apr 22 21:38:29 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:

    your reward will be to see quality crime
    drama reach the TV screen.

    AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and
    Hathaway repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.

    Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
    over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
    worth commissioning.

    Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??

    No, I meant more modern adaptations of the Colin Dexter books...
    "Lewis" and "Endeavour" were just spin-offs from "Inspector
    Morse" using some of the characters. The stories were original
    screenplays, not Colin Dexter 'Morse' stories.

    Some Agatha Christie books have had multiple television
    adaptations, why not Dexter's Inspector Morse?

    Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
    Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...

    But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.

    I preferred the original Barnaby's daughter Cully, to the
    wife...

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  • From Your Name@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed Apr 23 14:02:26 2025
    On 2025-04-22 12:01:47 +0000, Daniel70 said:
    On 22/04/2025 9:38 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:

    your reward will be to see quality crime
    drama reach the TV screen.

    AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and
    Hathaway repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.

    Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
    over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
    worth commissioning.

    Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??

    No, I meant more modern adaptations of the Colin Dexter books...
    "Lewis" and "Endeavour" were just spin-offs from "Inspector
    Morse" using some of the characters. The stories were original
    screenplays, not Colin Dexter 'Morse' stories.

    Some Agatha Christie books have had multiple television
    adaptations, why not Dexter's Inspector Morse?

    Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
    Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...

    But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.

    I preferred the original Barnaby's daughter Cully, to the
    wife...

    Ah!! Well ..... but when did we ever see her?? Not enough.

    A little while back we watched an old comedy show called "So Haunt Me"
    and the rather snotty teenage daughter looked familiar ... after
    looking it up on the internet, it was one of the first roles Laura
    Howard played, just a few years before she started playing Cully
    Barnaby in "Midsomer Murders".

    The mother on that comedy show was played by Tessa Peake-Jones, who,
    among many other roles, plays the housekeeper Mrs Chapman on
    Grantchester. She was also in the 2013 Doctor Who Christmas Special,
    playing Marta.


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