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    From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 20 07:28:48 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    "AI" has recently turned into a gigantic blanket term.

    More like a buzzword for non-technical management to throw around. Or for marketdroids to sell a product to those same non-technical management.

    You're not sitting in fron of a computer. You're now sitting in front
    of "AI." :)

    More like sitting in front of your manager. :)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Dec 21 21:19:48 2024
    "AI" has recently turned into a gigantic blanket term.

    More like a buzzword for non-technical management to throw around. Or
    for marketdroids to sell a product to those same non-technical
    management.

    "Minorities are more than 6x likely to be victimized by AI."

    "Experts warn congress needs to spend more on AI."

    "We need to throw all of our non AI-compliant computers in the trash."

    "Due to AI, has prices have doubled."

    LOL

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Dec 22 09:03:00 2024
    I don't understand how it's legal. If robots can drive cars, they need drivers >licenses. Otherwise, how can anybody say who can drive and who can't?

    Although I don't draw the same conclusion, that is an interesting point. I have not researched it at all. I wonder if the companies that are running these automated vehicles need a special permit to do so?

    I don't like the idea of self-driving cars, either. I would hope that at
    the very least the people who are monitoring the vehicles need some sort of certification and/or training to operate them.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Dec 22 09:41:00 2024
    Automated, repetitious processes are one thing. AI is supposed to include a decision making element. Like the driverless cars you mentioned. They must be able to decide whether or not to stop at a red light, or before hitting a jaywalker. A simple automated process would just run the pedestrian over, while AI automation should stop until the unexpected obstacle has cleared its path.

    I have an online form with an action page that checks to make sure that the form was filled out properly before accepting it. The action page makes decisions and acts accordingly. Of course this is not as useful as robot assassins, but I see no difference in the amount of "AI." Am I missing something?

    I have one of those on my old c1994 GT Power BBS. Based on answers the
    user gives, it will react a little differently.

    IMHO, that is a form of AI, and would have been what was somewhat commonly available back in the 1990s. When these folks are talking AI now, they are talking about systems that would make much more complex decisions.

    When IBM introduced Watson to the world a few years ago, IMHO, that was
    some pretty top of the line (at the time) AI. I suspect that thought leaders like Musk, Zuckerburg, the folks at Google, etc., are expecting the AI of
    today to make Watson look rather simple.

    If you are intereacting with Google at all these days, you are probably receiving an AI answer at the top of many of your results pages.

    With a lot of business leaders, I do believe you are correct that it is a buzzword, though. Sort of like the initial "dot.com" boom and bust in the
    late 1990s, a lot of company leaders are wanting to be on the AI train,
    even though I suspect that many/most of them don't really understand where
    the train might go.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Dec 22 10:03:43 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I don't understand how it's legal. If robots can drive cars, they need drivers licenses. Otherwise, how can anybody say who can drive and who can't?

    This is a big loop hole in how this system works.

    So let's say that I don't have a driver's license. Let's leave out the hassles of getting a car without a license and assume I'm driving a relative's car.

    As long as I **don't** get pulled over by the police, no one will know that I don't have a license. And it's only at that point I get penalized for not having a license.

    So in a sense, we can't tell anyone that they can/cannot drive. We can only control the flow of driver's licenses and heavily penalize those who don't, drive and get caught (which is probably pretty small).

    Something that the Left doesn't understand:
    Most people obey the law because they believe that the law is correct. When Elitists make bad law, they breed contempt for the law and hurt society by causing people to not believe that the law is correct.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Dec 22 21:21:52 2024
    I don't understand how it's legal. If robots can drive cars, they need dr >licenses. Otherwise, how can anybody say who can drive and who can't?

    Although I don't draw the same conclusion, that is an interesting point.
    I have not researched it at all. I wonder if the companies that are running these automated vehicles need a special permit to do so?

    Google had this to say about it:
    "In some states, fully autonomous vehicles don't require a driver's license if they don't require human intervention. For example, in New Hampshire, a licensed driver is only required for testing."

    That in itself doesn't seem fair, but to make things even more unfair, we're forced to drive among these death machines.

    I don't like the idea of self-driving cars, either. I would hope that at the very least the people who are monitoring the vehicles need some sort of certification and/or training to operate them.

    Maybe it's something that could work safely for trains.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Dec 22 21:27:04 2024
    If you are intereacting with Google at all these days, you are probably receiving an AI answer at the top of many of your results pages.

    Yes, I've noticed that. It's been helpful too. I appreciate the "AI" craze when it comes to search results.

    With a lot of business leaders, I do believe you are correct that it is a buzzword, though. Sort of like the initial "dot.com" boom and bust in
    the late 1990s, a lot of company leaders are wanting to be on the AI train, even though I suspect that many/most of them don't really understand where the train might go.

    You and Ron have confirmed my suspicions about this being a big buzzword expedition. We should start selling AI t-shirts now before this fizzles like the Y2K doomsday thing.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Dec 22 21:34:12 2024
    As long as I **don't** get pulled over by the police, no one will know that I don't have a license. And it's only at that point I get
    penalized for not having a license.

    So in a sense, we can't tell anyone that they can/cannot drive. We can only control the flow of driver's licenses and heavily penalize those
    who don't, drive and get caught (which is probably pretty small).

    If I was a cop, and I pulled over an autonomous vehicle, and my job is to protect and serve, I'd feel obligated to flatten the tires and/or shoot at it, because it seems like a threat to everyone's safety.

    But maybe I'm too extreme. I guess it's ok if one of them speeds a little, or if it makes an illegal u-turn, but it's not going to be ok if it runs a stop sign or runs over a pedestrian. One death due to autonomous driven vehicles would be far too many to tolerate.

    Something that the Left doesn't understand:
    Most people obey the law because they believe that the law is correct. When Elitists make bad law, they breed contempt for the law and hurt society by causing people to not believe that the law is correct.

    The TV-worshippers who live in the NE or along the west coast don't understand it, but the puppeteers understand this concept.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Dec 23 07:12:42 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But maybe I'm too extreme. I guess it's ok if one of them speeds a
    little, or if it makes an illegal u-turn,

    Most cops probably do the same thing. Unless the driver is causing danger to himself and others, the cop probably won't do much.

    but it's not going to be ok
    if it runs a stop sign or runs over a pedestrian. One death due to autonomous driven vehicles would be far too many to tolerate.

    But, sooner or later, self-driving cars will be a reality. But I will fight that as much as possible. Because that leads to anoter vector to control people that the Elitists will subvert.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Dec 23 08:37:00 2024
    Google had this to say about it:
    "In some states, fully autonomous vehicles don't require a driver's license
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    they don't require human intervention. For example, in New Hampshire, a licensed driver is only required for testing."

    That in itself doesn't seem fair, but to make things even more unfair, we're forced to drive among these death machines.

    I bet they need to register them, just like Taxis, but that probably also varies from state to state.

    I am glad to hear that the humans who might need to intervene (when there
    are any!) need some sort of license.

    I don't like the idea of self-driving cars, either. I would hope that
    t
    the very least the people who are monitoring the vehicles need some sort of certification and/or training to operate them.

    Maybe it's something that could work safely for trains.

    I am even skeptical of that. A good engineer will know things from
    experience that AI probably would never know. There are fewer unexpected things that can happen to a train, but they do still happen.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Dec 23 08:39:00 2024
    You and Ron have confirmed my suspicions about this being a big buzzword expedition. We should start selling AI t-shirts now before this fizzles like the Y2K doomsday thing.

    I am not sure it will fizzle that much. I am hoping that business leaders
    will realize that some AI might be good but also realize that taking too
    much "human intervention" out of the equation could lead to horrible, and
    even dystopian, results.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Dec 23 08:42:52 2024
    if it runs a stop sign or runs over a pedestrian. One death due to autonomous driven vehicles would be far too many to tolerate.

    But, sooner or later, self-driving cars will be a reality. But I will fight that as much as possible. Because that leads to anoter vector to control people that the Elitists will subvert.

    The elitists are obsessed with electronics, and the Democrats have a new hobby that's called "Make dangerous things even more dangerous."

    And these two groups are ambiguous. So, it's rational to expect them to collude to make electronics as dangerous as possible (under the guise of making them "as safe as possible.")

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Dec 23 08:51:54 2024
    You and Ron have confirmed my suspicions about this being a big buzzword expedition. We should start selling AI t-shirts now before this fizzles the Y2K doomsday thing.

    I am not sure it will fizzle that much. I am hoping that business
    leaders will realize that some AI might be good but also realize that taking too much "human intervention" out of the equation could lead to horrible, and even dystopian, results.

    I suspect that the BIGGEST threat stemming from AI is its use in the military, particularly in drones and "robot dogs."

    But the 2nd biggest AI threat is the distraction from things like "robot dogs" with gimmicks like "Ask Google anything!" and "Run your business
    better with AI!"

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Dec 24 07:26:13 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The elitists are obsessed with electronics, and the Democrats have a
    new hobby that's called "Make dangerous things even more dangerous."

    Rather "Putting things you rely on under our control", which has the side effect of making them more dangerous.

    And these two groups are ambiguous. So, it's rational to expect them to collude to make electronics as dangerous as possible (under the guise
    of making them "as safe as possible.")

    Elitists always say the opposite of what they intend.


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