Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hey Andy!

I'm glad of that. :)

Me too although some days are better than others. It's good to see you back in action.

maybe in another 20 years we'll know the whole truth

We'll see I suppose. One day at a time is where things are at now.

What are you working on these days?

You're looking at it right now. This is as good as it gets ... for
now.

k. How do you feel about the zen kernel?


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Hej Andy!

How do you feel about the zen kernel?

Up to now, I have no feelings for it one way or the other. At present I am sticking with the regular kernel source and gcc. I do have clang and rustc but never use it for anything other than to make things like firefox happy. Personally I can live without it especially considering github which I tend to avoid wherever possible.

Maybe some future date but right now I am still having fun with gcc and the standard kernel sources obtained from kernel.org;

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.11 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260601, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 2 01:13:45 UTC 2026

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hej Andy!

How do you feel about the zen kernel?

Up to now, I have no feelings for it one way or the other. At present
I am sticking with the regular kernel source and gcc. I do have clang
and rustc but never use it for anything other than to make things like firefox happy. Personally I can live without it especially considering github which I tend to avoid wherever possible.

Maybe some future date but right now I am still having fun with gcc and the standard kernel sources obtained from kernel.org;

I have Manjaro on my desktop (MD Ryzen 7 5700G), which I use daily. I have a laptop that I use infrequently
lately, that runs Arch and I've installed a zen kernel from the Arch repo. So basically, I haven't used it much
or done any benchmarking. At this point in my life, I just don't know if I have a need for balance or less
latency. ;) :)


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Hej Andy!

I have Manjaro on my desktop (MD Ryzen 7 5700G), which I use daily.

My main toy is a Ryzen 7 7840HS which is currently being used to reply to your reply to me. It is running a modified "Linux From Scratch".

I have a laptop that I use infrequently lately, that runs Arch and
I've installed a zen kernel from the Arch repo.

I'd *really* like to see the output of /proc/version from that machine. As we speak mine shows;

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.12 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260609, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 9 22:10:20 UTC 2026

I just don't know if I have a need for balance or less latency. ;) :)

For me it has more to do with keeping myself busy having fun rather than sitting/laying around waiting for the worms.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hej Andy!

I have Manjaro on my desktop (MD Ryzen 7 5700G), which I use daily.

My main toy is a Ryzen 7 7840HS which is currently being used to reply
to your reply to me. It is running a modified "Linux From Scratch".

Nice! I did Linux from Scratch a couple times but I never used it long-term.

I have a laptop that I use infrequently lately, that runs Arch and
I've installed a zen kernel from the Arch repo.

I'd *really* like to see the output of /proc/version from that machine.
As we speak mine shows;

<Esc>:read /proc/version

Linux version 7.0.12 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260609, GNU
ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 9 22:10:20 UTC 2026

11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz

Linux version 7.0.11-zen1-1-zen (linux-zen@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260430, GNU ld
(GNU Binutils) 2.46.0) #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue, 02 Jun 2026 18:26:42 +0000

I just don't know if I have a need for balance or less latency. ;) :)

For me it has more to do with keeping myself busy having fun rather
than sitting/laying around waiting for the worms.

Right. :) I did this years ago, after noticing comments in config files aren't usually translated. How do you like it? Pretty simple, though I suppose a more experienced developer might change a few things.

https://github.com/theimpossibleastronaut/rmw/blob/1cd2f1065108afadbf2e493d797b 263370d4b9b/src/config_rmw.c#L41

Of course, that actually is dependent on translators coming by to do translations...

I assume you're somewhat familiar with GNU gettext? The strings get written to po files...

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Hello Maurice!

09 Jun 2026 14:23, Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt:

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.11 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260601, GNU
ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 2 01:13:45 UTC 2026

have 7.0.12 on tux, have not that kerne imho here yet, about zen, see a vps host at bitfolk.com

i will consider them, just not for now, gentoo is supported, so i have to learn zen first


Regards Benny

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Hej Benny!

about zen, see a vps host at bitfolk.com

I looked at https://bitfolk.com/techspec.html. I don't believe Xen and Zen are the same thing though.

i will consider them, just not for now, gentoo is supported, so i
have to learn zen first

From the little I know about it mostly comes from reading kernel docs. As far as gentoo is concerned I see in "linux-7.0.12/Documentation/rust/quick-start.rst" the following;

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Gentoo Linux
************

Gentoo Linux (and especially the testing branch) provides recent Rust releases and thus it should generally work out of the box, e.g.::

USE='rust-src rustfmt clippy' emerge dev-lang/rust dev-util/bindgen

``LIBCLANG_PATH`` may need to be set.
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As far as my hack n' slash system is concerned it lacks llvm's linker 'ld.lld'. I did take care of it on one of my test builds, but "make LLVM=1" failed to crapped out about 5 minutes into compilng. I was using unpatched kernel source downloaded from kernel.org. The same source worked for "make CC=clang" using the usual suspect 'ld.bfd' from binutils.

I'll probably keep plugging along with gcc for most of what I need linuxie-speaking.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: Zen
By: Maurice Kinal to Benny Pedersen on Sun Jun 14 2026 21:07:08

I did take care of it on one of my test builds, but "make LLVM=1" failed to crapped out about 5 minutes into compilng.

So, you were expecting it to crap out?
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Hej Mortar!

So, you were expecting it to crap out?

Yes, except I didn't think it would get as far as it did. I am sure I am missing something with llvm and/or rustc. As we speak I figure my rustc build is the culprit given that clang worked.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hej Mortar!

So, you were expecting it to crap out?

I was also expecting this one to crap out;

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.12 (root@europoint) (clang version 22.1.8, LLD 22.1.8) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Jun 19 05:01:10 UTC 2026

It was built using the finest source readily available from the good people at kernel.org.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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