//Hello All,//

I am finding I am not connecting to Nicks system as a point useing DOSEMU.

It seems D'BRIDE will not poll the boss node.

I have Winpoint going now but use D"Bridge.

Cheers,,
Alan Beck
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Alan Beck wrote to All <=-

//Hello All,//

I am finding I am not connecting to Nicks system as a point
useing DOSEMU.

It seems D'BRIDE will not poll the boss node.

I have Winpoint going now but use D"Bridge.

Cheers,,

Based on the above, I am 100% confident that the problem is a typo error
in a config file somewhere.



... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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On 05 Mar 23 08:06:21, Alan Beck said the following to All:

I am finding I am not connecting to Nicks system as a point useing DOSEMU.

It seems D'BRIDE will not poll the boss node.

I have Winpoint going now but use D"Bridge.

I replied to your email awhile ago, this is I think the second or third time
I believe that I mentioned to you that I do not provide tech-support for Linux or DOS emulators. The Readme file explains this in detail, specifically:

"Technical support may not be offered for running D'Bridge on emulated DOS environments, virtual-machines, hypervisors etc since this is not the
real hardware or environment the software was ever designed to run on."

I'm confused as to why you appear to insist on running things this way. You
had a perfectly working 32-bit Windows system at one time polling here like clockwork?

Nick

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//Hello Nick,//

on *06.03.23* at *12:59:01* You wrote in area *DBRIDGE*
to *Alan Beck* about *"Re: problem withj dosemu"*.

On 05 Mar 23 08:06:21, Alan Beck said the following to All:

I am finding I am not connecting to Nicks system as a point useing
DOSEMU.

It seems D'BRIDE will not poll the boss node.

I have Winpoint going now but use D"Bridge.

I replied to your email awhile ago, this is I think the second or third time I believe that I mentioned to you that I do not provide tech-support for Linux or DOS emulators. The Readme file explains this in detail, specifically:

I am very sorry for bothering you.

I understand that it is not possible to do that.

I am now using Winpoint. I have problens with that and am working with the developer.

Again, please accept my apologies.

You won't hear from me on this topic again.

Alan

"Technical support may not be offered for running D'Bridge on emulated
DOS environments, virtual-machines, hypervisors etc since this is not the real hardware or environment the software was ever designed to run on."

I'm confused as to why you appear to insist on running things this way. You had a perfectly working 32-bit Windows system at one time polling
here like clockwork?

Nick

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Regards,
Alan Beck
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//Hello Dan,//

on *05.03.23* at *13:53:00* You wrote in area *DBRIDGE*
to *Alan Beck* about *"Re: problem withj dosemu"*.

Alan Beck wrote to All <=-

Hello All,

I am finding I am not connecting to Nicks system as a point useing
DOSEMU.

It seems D'BRIDE will not poll the boss node.

I have Winpoint going now but use D"Bridge.

Cheers,,

Based on the above, I am 100% confident that the problem is a typo error in a config file somewhere.

I am dropping my quest to get Dosemu to do networking.

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Regards,
Alan Beck
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Hello all,

Is anyone running D'Bridge with the Windows 10 32bit client?

I think my Windows XP is due for retirement.

Thanks,
Dean.

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Hello Dean!

Thursday March 09 2023 14:28, you wrote to All:

Hello all,

Is anyone running D'Bridge with the Windows 10 32bit client?

I think my Windows XP is due for retirement.

You think ?

It has not had support and includes security updates, for many, many years - upgrade it to v10 (you will not find if using old kit that it will install as need very up to date h/w).


Vincent

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Dean,

Is anyone running D'Bridge with the Windows 10 32bit client?

I think my Windows XP is due for retirement.

D'Bridge runs excellent on Win7 32bit ... it still handles DOS.

OK, Micro$oft support has ended but that doesn't mean shit.

The thing is newer boards will have hardware-issues when trying to install XP on them, even though I still think it's an excellent OS.

\%/@rd

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On 09 Mar 23 14:28:36, Dean Galloway said the following to All:

Is anyone running D'Bridge with the Windows 10 32bit client?

I think my Windows XP is due for retirement.

Believe it or not, this system still runs on XP... like clockwork.

See my reply to Vince...

Nick

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On 09 Mar 23 21:37:10, Vincent Coen said the following to Dean Galloway:

It has not had support and includes security updates, for many, many years upgrade it to v10 (you will not find if using old kit that it will install need very up to date h/w).

While I would agree with this... I decided to keep the BBS instance on XP because after many frustrating nights with 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 randomly hanging NTVDM it became more hassle than its worth.

I strongly believe Microsoft changed something in NTVDM after XP that made running anything DOS-BBS-related extremely unreliable here.

Nick

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Hello Nick!

Thursday March 09 2023 19:00, you wrote to me:

On 09 Mar 23 21:37:10, Vincent Coen said the following to Dean
Galloway:

It has not had support and includes security updates, for many,
many years upgrade it to v10 (you will not find if using old kit
that it will install need very up to date h/w).

While I would agree with this... I decided to keep the BBS instance on
XP because after many frustrating nights with 7, 8, 8.1 and 10
randomly hanging NTVDM it became more hassle than its worth.

I strongly believe Microsoft changed something in NTVDM after XP that
made running anything DOS-BBS-related extremely unreliable here.

Since XP and NT for that matter MS have been removing support for DOS in all, where from v7 it is all gone so yes that is more than likely BUT I have not tried or for that matter looked into what, when and where has happened after XP.

I therefore have no idea of the issues found when using later versions of Windoz - I gave up with MS and Dos many years ago and switched to OS/2 and we all know what happened with that after 1999 or there about.
I decided I had no choice but to use Linux or other *nix and if needed wine which has/had it's own problems.

My basic point was that any one using XP,NT etc would have no support regarding
security aspects of Windows from MS.

How ever that said a strong firewall would help even if only using the one installed in good quality routers (that does NOT include the one's supplied by the ISP - which I have found to be some what poor).
In my case I have been using Asus - at least in more recent years to handle primary firewall and port forwarding etc with a more minor role taken by Linux firewall tools BUT still used.

It helps of course that main processes such as BBS, Apache etc is run in a VM most of which are read-only processes. These environments are updated often by any updates so that are kept fresh - not perfect but...

Needless to say the Linux environment is run at High security so that root privileges and access, are minimised.

I would not want to trust old Window versions on a system that has incoming access via the internet without some very strong other tools that will cover the problems/issues.

i.e., I run a mainframe via a concentrator that is a micro based computer that vets all incoming connections that must have a registered MAC code, CPU
model and serial no., user name and password among other checks before allowing
a user access any further. It seems to do the job so far.

Vincent

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Re: Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: Nick Andre to Dean Galloway on Thu Mar 09 2023 06:59 pm

On 09 Mar 23 14:28:36, Dean Galloway said the following to All:

Is anyone running D'Bridge with the Windows 10 32bit client?

I think my Windows XP is due for retirement.

Believe it or not, this system still runs on XP... like clockwork.

See my reply to Vince...

Nick

Smile, my 2 bbs machines are on XP pro. I don't care for all the mess of a vsim or typing to get dosbox to reliably run as league coordinator.

Best I know is I'm the last bre league running, and the only one who also has falcon (fe) in league mode.

xxcarol
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Re: Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: Nick Andre to Vincent Coen on Thu Mar 09 2023 07:00 pm

On 09 Mar 23 21:37:10, Vincent Coen said the following to Dean Galloway:

It has not had support and includes security updates, for many, many yea upgrade it to v10 (you will not find if using old kit that it will insta need very up to date h/w).

While I would agree with this... I decided to keep the BBS instance on XP because after many frustrating nights with 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 randomly hanging NTVDM it became more hassle than its worth.

I strongly believe Microsoft changed something in NTVDM after XP that made running anything DOS-BBS-related extremely unreliable here.

Nick

They did. That's why I also run XP still. Both BBS nodes.

xxcarol
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Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: Vincent Coen to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 10 2023 02:23 pm

Hello Nick!

Thursday March 09 2023 19:00, you wrote to me:

On 09 Mar 23 21:37:10, Vincent Coen said the following to Dean
Galloway:

It has not had support and includes security updates, for many,
many years upgrade it to v10 (you will not find if using old kit
that it will install need very up to date h/w).

While I would agree with this... I decided to keep the BBS instance on
XP because after many frustrating nights with 7, 8, 8.1 and 10
randomly hanging NTVDM it became more hassle than its worth.

I strongly believe Microsoft changed something in NTVDM after XP that made running anything DOS-BBS-related extremely unreliable here.

Since XP and NT for that matter MS have been removing support for DOS in all where from v7 it is all gone so yes that is more than likely BUT I have not tried or for that matter looked into what, when and where has happened after XP.

I therefore have no idea of the issues found when using later versions of Windoz - I gave up with MS and Dos many years ago and switched to OS/2 and w all know what happened with that after 1999 or there about.
I decided I had no choice but to use Linux or other *nix and if needed wine which has/had it's own problems.

My basic point was that any one using XP,NT etc would have no support regarding
security aspects of Windows from MS.

How ever that said a strong firewall would help even if only using the one installed in good quality routers (that does NOT include the one's supplied the ISP - which I have found to be some what poor).
In my case I have been using Asus - at least in more recent years to handle primary firewall and port forwarding etc with a more minor role taken by Lin firewall tools BUT still used.

It helps of course that main processes such as BBS, Apache etc is run in a V most of which are read-only processes. These environments are updated often any updates so that are kept fresh - not perfect but...

Needless to say the Linux environment is run at High security so that root privileges and access, are minimised.

I would not want to trust old Window versions on a system that has incoming access via the internet without some very strong other tools that will cover the problems/issues.

i.e., I run a mainframe via a concentrator that is a micro based computer th vets all incoming connections that must have a registered MAC code, CPU model and serial no., user name and password among other checks before allowing
a user access any further. It seems to do the job so far.

Vincent

All good points but I have 3rd party firewalls and a cisco router. It's a non-issue for me. Suspect it is for Andre as well.

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Hello Carol!

Friday March 10 2023 15:50, you wrote to me:

All good points but I have 3rd party firewalls and a cisco router.
It's a non-issue for me. Suspect it is for Andre as well.

Agreed but not everyone has invested in their own router at least in the UK a very high percentage use the ISP supplied one value 10 pounds / dollars on a good day with facilities to match and the firewalls are basic.

For example the last two I recall had no facilities for for port forwarding and
the like and as for understanding red, green DMZ's etc a total no-no.
Like wise no support for updating firmware - now I do have to admit that Asus does not update theirs too often but a few time per year is ok with me bearing in mind the changelogs are light on major issues. I suspect the other major brands are similar.

None of the one's I have used at least over the last 10++ or so years have been
managed to my knowledge there again the cost has been under 200 which is
plenty enough :(.

I dread to think how many old one's are sitting boxed up in my loft / roof space and no that does not include the freebies but have to admit I use one from the cable company (Virgin Media) but only as a modem (because it has a telephone connector and yes I should consider voip phone's but my main one is
a mobile set of four in different parts of the house as well as one emergency one that has a sim card in for power cuts and no don't use it as I have UPS units on my main system and one for my wife's desktop for for all the other systems around the house they will just die until power is restored - 2 Raspberry Pis one of which runs the Elist system, one as a media system (records TV programs etc and if power is down can't watch the TV anyway).
There are a few other system around non UPS'd and one mainframe that is which must get around to pass on to some organisation that will allow user's to use via internet and replace with a single phase version but these are very hard to
find at least in the UK and Mr. wallet says has to be cheap.

Vincent

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Hi Vincent..

wine
which has/had it's own problems.

Wine, now there's something to try. I'm just running D'Bridge as a mailer but I'll give it a shot.

Thanks,
Dean.

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Dean,

wine
which has/had it's own problems.

Wine, now there's something to try. I'm just running D'Bridge as a
mailer but I'll give it a shot.

Wine you never "give it a shot", you barbarian.

It goes with the menu, the special glass, chilled or room temperature, slowly degustated, carressing the bottle as if it were a long lost lover ...

\%/@rd

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On 12 Mar 23 09:41:51, Ward Dossche said the following to Dean Galloway:

Wine you never "give it a shot", you barbarian.

It goes with the menu, the special glass, chilled or room temperature, slow degustated, carressing the bottle as if it were a long lost lover ...

I think wine is a bit overrated...

Nick

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On 10 Mar 23 15:50:22, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Vincent Coen:

All good points but I have 3rd party firewalls and a cisco router. It's a non-issue for me. Suspect it is for Andre as well.

Since 2000 I've taken a mountain of insults, techno-nonsense and outright hysteria over running my BBS on Windows because I will be "hacked tomorrow".

And as the many years went by, I've watched those same people pack up and leave, shut down their systems, drop off planet earth. While my system still hums along on the same software and batch-files for years. Never needing a babysitter or really any intervention.

Nick

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Hey all,

Since 2000 I've taken a mountain of insults, techno-nonsense and outright hysteria over running my BBS on Windows because I will be "hacked tomorrow".

Well I wasn't hacked (and didn't expect to be really), just wanted to update a bit and have settled on Windows 7. Windows 10 wouldn't even run DB, not even the installer, Wine was a no-show as it told me to install Dosbox (maybe I'll do this one day if I'm bored), so I just set up Win 7 to check it out. Turns out it is still updating, not sure if they're recent, but it did run Windows update over and over until it was done.

The only thing I really noticed was having to run DB as Administrator to set up (and I'm assuming modify) the Bink service, along with the firewall being a bit different. Other than that it's going fine.

That being said, it's my other instance of DB running Win7 at the moment, not this one, so I need to get of my a$$ soon and do this one too :-)
Thanks,
Dean.

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On 13 Mar 23 17:17:24, Dean Galloway said the following to Nick Andre:

Well I wasn't hacked (and didn't expect to be really), just wanted to updat bit and have settled on Windows 7. Windows 10 wouldn't even run DB, not ev the installer, Wine was a no-show as it told me to install Dosbox (maybe I'

D'Bridge will run on Windows 10 32-bit, by enabling "Legacy NTVDM support" in Control panel - Windows Features.

After the computer reboots, it is necessary to modify the properties of the CMD window to enable legacy console.

Nick

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Re: Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: Nick Andre to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 13 2023 03:43 pm

On 10 Mar 23 15:50:22, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Vincent Co

All good points but I have 3rd party firewalls and a cisco router. It's non-issue for me. Suspect it is for Andre as well.

Since 2000 I've taken a mountain of insults, techno-nonsense and outright hysteria over running my BBS on Windows because I will be "hacked tomorrow".

And as the many years went by, I've watched those same people pack up and leave, shut down their systems, drop off planet earth. While my system still hums along on the same software and batch-files for years. Never needing a babysitter or really any intervention.

Nick

Grin, I'm on XP. I can't get BRE to function acceptably as a league coordinator with any vsim/emulators.

It leaves me with 1 problem. It's slow to toss as I have a lot of overhead. That causes packets to collide and hang until I clear them. I retired though (31Mar officially, terminal leave now). Less of an issue now.

I'll probably pick up something part time shortly. Something not very stressful.
xxcarol
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Grin, I'm on XP. I can't get BRE to function acceptably as a league coordinator with any vsim/emulators.

I've been an XP addict until the motherboard crashed without a possibility of repair. Got new motherboards and was unhappy discovering XP doesn't run on them anymore. So on Nick's advice I switched to 7 which was pretty transparant for what I was doing ... also better scheduler ... and DOS.

It leaves me with 1 problem. It's slow to toss as I have a lot of overhead.

Switch to D'Bridge ...

I retired though
(31Mar officially, terminal leave now). Less of an issue now.

Welcome to the masses of people that don't have time and wondering how they got along while still having a full time job.

\%/@rd

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On 19 Mar 23 16:19:05, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Nick Andre:

Grin, I'm on XP. I can't get BRE to function acceptably as a league coordinator with any vsim/emulators.

It leaves me with 1 problem. It's slow to toss as I have a lot of overhead That causes packets to collide and hang until I clear them. I retired thou (31Mar officially, terminal leave now). Less of an issue now.

I'm not sure what you mean by overhead... packets are not even a blip on the radar here, D'Bridge tosses so fast.

Occasionally I receive nonsense from "star systems" such as Tic files with no archives, or vice-versa, or packets actually meant for another Sysop because the "star" operator runs a misconfigured Synchronet system. These things end
up in my inbound... and what I'm supposed to do with them is anyones guess.

My solution is usually "Del *.*" which works wonders.

Nick

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Re: Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 22 2023 10:10 am

Grin, I'm on XP. I can't get BRE to function acceptably as a league coordinator with any vsim/emulators.

I've been an XP addict until the motherboard crashed without a possibility o repair. Got new motherboards and was unhappy discovering XP doesn't run on t anymore. So on Nick's advice I switched to 7 which was pretty transparant fo what I was doing ... also better scheduler ... and DOS.

It leaves me with 1 problem. It's slow to toss as I have a lot of overhead.

Switch to D'Bridge ...

I retired though
(31Mar officially, terminal leave now). Less of an issue now.

Welcome to the masses of people that don't have time and wondering how they along while still having a full time job.

\%/@rd

Lol, and sorry, dbridge isn't really the solution. The bre league is the drag.
It's also slowly dying. I'll just let it play out.

xxcarol
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Re: Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: Nick Andre to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 22 2023 08:23 am

On 19 Mar 23 16:19:05, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Nick Andre

Grin, I'm on XP. I can't get BRE to function acceptably as a league coordinator with any vsim/emulators.

It leaves me with 1 problem. It's slow to toss as I have a lot of overh That causes packets to collide and hang until I clear them. I retired t (31Mar officially, terminal leave now). Less of an issue now.

I'm not sure what you mean by overhead... packets are not even a blip on the radar here, D'Bridge tosses so fast.

Occasionally I receive nonsense from "star systems" such as Tic files with n archives, or vice-versa, or packets actually meant for another Sysop because the "star" operator runs a misconfigured Synchronet system. These things end up in my inbound... and what I'm supposed to do with them is anyones guess.

My solution is usually "Del *.*" which works wonders.

Nick

Dunno on that. My system doesn't connect to you and I'm recieve only for files (none on the star).

xxcarol
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On 24 Mar 23 13:09:30, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Nick Andre:

Dunno on that. My system doesn't connect to you and I'm recieve only for f (none on the star).

I didn't mean you...

Nick

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On 09 Mar 23 21:37:10, Vincent Coen said the following to Dean Galloway:

It has not had support and includes security updates, for many, many
years upgrade it to v10 (you will not find if using old kit that it will VC>> install need very up to date h/w).

While I would agree with this... I decided to keep the BBS instance on XP because after many frustrating nights with 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 randomly hanging NTVDM it became more hassle than its worth.

How do you keep XP from barfing out each month? I have never been able to make it past that.

Alan

I strongly believe Microsoft changed something in NTVDM after XP that made running anything DOS-BBS-related extremely unreliable here.

Nick

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On 29 Mar 23 08:00:00, Alan Beck said the following to Nick Andre:

While I would agree with this... I decided to keep the BBS instance on XP because after many frustrating nights with 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 randomly hanging NTVDM it became more hassle than its worth.

How do you keep XP from barfing out each month? I have never been able to make it past that.

I don't screw around with it...

Nick

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How do you keep XP from barfing out each month? I have never been able to make it past that.

XP was a great OS .... they never should have done away with it. Of course, it's all about the money.

\%/@rd

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Best I know is I'm the last bre league running, and the only one who also h

I still have BRE and LORD running IBBS here on MetroNet.

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Re: Re: WIndows 10 32 bit
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 10 2024 10:17 pm

Best I know is I'm the last bre league running, and the only one who als

I still have BRE and LORD running IBBS here on MetroNet.

Looks like another set a BRE league up. I think it's 134 for their zone.

xxcarol
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