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    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to All on Wed Jun 25 08:21:00 2025
    Meta hits back after US House staffers banned from using WhatsApp over
    security fears

    Date:
    Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:07:00 +0000

    Description:
    US Congress workers are to be asked to remove WhatsApp from all government-issued devices, and Meta isn't happy.

    FULL STORY

    The US House's Chief Administrative Officer (CAO) has banned WhatsApp from
    all government devices used by congressional staffers amid growing security concerns.

    A Axios report claims the warning cited a lack of transparency surrounding
    data protection as a key motivation behind the ban, while also noting the absence of stored data encryption, raising potential security risks
    associated with WhatsApp use.

    The ban will affect all versions of WhatsApp, including the mobile app,
    desktop app and web browser versions. US Congress workers asked to remove WhatsApp

    Staffers with WhatsApp on House-managed devices will be contacted to remove
    the app, according to the report.

    Although tech bans are nothing new to US government workers, most have been related to ongoing geopolitical tensions DeepSeek and ByteDance are two Chinese platforms that have been banned. However, workers have also been restricted from using Microsoft Copilot, and only certain paid versions of ChatGPT may be used.

    "The Office of Cybersecurity has deemed WhatsApp a high-risk to users due to the lack of transparency in how it protects user data, absence of stored data encryption, and potential security risks involved with its use," the CAO explained to Axios .

    Meta spokesperson Andy Stone challenged the Congressional ban of WhatsApp, wroting on X, "We know members and their staffs regularly use WhatsApp and we look forward to ensuring members of the House can join their Senate counterparts in doing so officially."

    "We disagree with the House Chief Administrative Officers characterization in the strongest possible terms."

    Stone also noted that WhatsApp messages are end-to-end encrypted by default, which is more than can be said about a number of other CAO-approved apps.

    Although one communication platform has been banned, the CAO explained that other alternatives remain viable, including Microsoft Teams, Wickr, Signal, iMessage and FaceTime.

    The news comes shortly after the Scottish government also banned WhatsApp (instead preferring certain enterprise messaging apps ), but that move
    relates to the deletion of messages by workers, as highlighted in the Covid enquiry.

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    Link to news story: https://www.techradar.com/pro/meta-hits-back-after-us-house-staffers-banned-fr om-using-whatsapp-over-security-fears

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mike Powell on Wed Jun 25 08:11:40 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to All <=-

    Meta hits back after US House staffers banned from using WhatsApp over security fears

    Date:
    Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:07:00 +0000

    Description:
    US Congress workers are to be asked to remove WhatsApp from all government-issued devices, and Meta isn't happy.

    Is anyone not cool with government employees not using third party
    private comms apps on government devices?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Wed Jun 25 14:54:00 2025
    US Congress workers are to be asked to remove WhatsApp from all government-issued devices, and Meta isn't happy.

    Is anyone not cool with government employees not using third party
    private comms apps on government devices?

    I would prefer them not to. Here in Kentucky, we were not allowed to use
    them, especially for government-related correspondence. We seemed to have crossed a line somewhere, and it appears to have been going on for a while.

    Mike


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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Mike Powell on Wed Jun 25 19:50:52 2025
    On Wed 25-Jun-2025 2:54p, Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Kurt Weiske:

    Is anyone not cool with government employees not using third party private comms apps on government devices?

    I would prefer them not to. Here in Kentucky, we were not allowed to use them, especially for government-related correspondence. We seemed to have crossed a line somewhere, and it appears to have been going on for a
    while.

    My question then would be, what do you suppose they use? Since at some point somewhere, you are more than likely going to end up on a commercial internet backbone. So regardless of what government specific app you use. The data is being routed through public IP space. Not like the old days where you had dedicated copper circuits.

    That more and more government applications services are leaving ON PREM space and going into the cloud.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RUG RAT on Thu Jun 26 07:14:00 2025
    My question then would be, what do you suppose they use? Since at some point somewhere, you are more than likely going to end up on a commercial internet backbone. So regardless of what government specific app you use. The data is
    being routed through public IP space. Not like the old days where you had dedicated copper circuits.

    In our case, it would have been the utilities provided which were to be
    used over VPN. The exceptions would have been text and telephone calls.
    Those were not over VPN. I agree those are going to wind up on "commercial space" somewhere, but at least I would not be responsible in the sense that
    I wasn't using an unapproved solution.

    Mike


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  • From Jazzy J@1:135/250 to All on Thu Jun 26 17:17:00 2025
    My question then would be, what do you suppose they use? Since at
    some
    point
    somewhere, you are more than likely going to end up on a commercial
    internet
    backbone. So regardless of what government specific app you use.
    The data
    is
    being routed through public IP space. Not like the old days where
    you had
    dedicated copper circuits.

    In our case, it would have been the utilities provided which were to be
    used over VPN. The exceptions would have been text and telephone
    calls.
    Those were not over VPN. I agree those are going to wind up on
    "commercial
    space" somewhere, but at least I would not be responsible in the sense
    that
    I wasn't using an unapproved solution.

    Mike

    It should be easy for the gov't to produce an app that would be used by elected officials.

    Different levels of encription could be divied out to different portions of gov't.

    Jazzy J


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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Jazzy J on Thu Jun 26 19:21:53 2025
    On Thu 26-Jun-2025 5:17p, Jazzy J wrote:

    It should be easy for the gov't to produce an app that would be used by elected officials.

    It should be, especially if based on an OpenSource, COTS software. However, easy and cheap are often two different things.

    Then you run into 2 common issues with govn't IT solutions.

    1) Nothing is ever truely secure.
    2) You can take soemthing that works well in the private sector, but doesn't work quite as well in a Govt/DoD application. Take their suite of health care / Electronic Health Record applications.

    AHLTA then MHS Genesis. Surprisingly the VA has a much loved EHR called VA VISTA, that was home grown, and so far the VA has been successful in not being pushed to adopt the new DoD EHR, even though congressionaly mandaded.


    Different levels of encription could be divied out to different portions of gov't.

    Jazzy J


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mike Powell on Thu Jun 26 18:18:24 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    I would prefer them not to. Here in Kentucky, we were not allowed to
    use them, especially for government-related correspondence. We seemed
    to have crossed a line somewhere, and it appears to have been going on
    for a while.

    Obama used a hardened, sanctioned Blackberry. Trump 45 was seen with a
    Samsung S3 that I hope ran a third party OS without Google Services -
    but I doubt it.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Rug Rat on Thu Jun 26 18:18:24 2025
    Rug Rat wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    My question then would be, what do you suppose they use? Since at some point somewhere, you are more than likely going to end up on a
    commercial internet backbone.

    Government grade VPN encryption PKI keys for access and a messaging
    platform housed on-premise in a US government data center with the highest
    security profile possible and following all government data retention
    requirements.

    Not a commercial product that allows auto-deletion of messages...


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