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    From HAL 9000@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 03:17:36 2026
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++
    code.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 00:38:30 2026
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++ code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a car
    right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 00:39:01 2026
    On 3/26/2026 12:38 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++
    code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a car right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?

    Go over over echo summit in winter with it self driving...

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Tristan Wibberley@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 12:54:14 2026
    On 26/03/2026 07:38, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++
    code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a car right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?


    I promise you a human can't do that well enough. It takes a long time to
    write the code and even longer to review. Then there's the politics and
    the human social behaviours that get in the way.

    Traditional static analysis tools with link-knowledge are very
    necessary. An LLM that maps queries to static analyses could be very
    good for safety, I think. But /which/ LLM with which peculiar nuances
    admitted and how do you train inquisitors not to enquire with boundary language?


    --
    Tristan Wibberley

    The message body is Copyright (C) 2026 Tristan Wibberley except
    citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
    of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
    verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
    promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
    of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
    superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
    any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
    will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Tristan Wibberley@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 12:58:35 2026
    On 26/03/2026 07:39, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/26/2026 12:38 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++ >>> code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a
    car right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?

    Go over over echo summit in winter with it self driving...

    That's exactly where you want to be using immortal intelligences.

    The immortal intelligence can get really good at it over time, the
    mortal intelligences are each unable to learn the mortal boundary
    accurately.

    --
    Tristan Wibberley

    The message body is Copyright (C) 2026 Tristan Wibberley except
    citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
    of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
    verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
    promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
    of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
    superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
    any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
    will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 12:28:55 2026
    On 3/26/2026 5:58 AM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
    On 26/03/2026 07:39, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/26/2026 12:38 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++ >>>> code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a
    car right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?

    Go over over echo summit in winter with it self driving...

    That's exactly where you want to be using immortal intelligences.

    The immortal intelligence can get really good at it over time, the
    mortal intelligences are each unable to learn the mortal boundary
    accurately.


    immortal? How many times does it take it to die before it groks it? ;^)

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 12:31:21 2026
    On 3/26/2026 12:28 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/26/2026 5:58 AM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
    On 26/03/2026 07:39, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/26/2026 12:38 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs)
    in C++
    code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a
    car right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?

    Go over over echo summit in winter with it self driving...

    That's exactly where you want to be using immortal intelligences.

    The immortal intelligence can get really good at it over time, the
    mortal intelligences are each unable to learn the mortal boundary
    accurately.


    immortal? How many times does it take it to die before it groks it? ;^)

    Trains it self into saying, let me check the weather... Okay, I refuse
    to drive on that road without a 4wd with four studded snow tires.
    Chains? Maybe... ;^D

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Mar 26 12:32:01 2026
    On 3/26/2026 5:54 AM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
    On 26/03/2026 07:38, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 3/25/2026 8:17 PM, HAL 9000 wrote:
    ChatGPT really is quite brilliant at reviewing (and finding bugs) in C++ >>> code.

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a car
    right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?


    I promise you a human can't do that well enough. It takes a long time to write the code and even longer to review. Then there's the politics and
    the human social behaviours that get in the way.

    Traditional static analysis tools with link-knowledge are very
    necessary. An LLM that maps queries to static analyses could be very
    good for safety, I think. But /which/ LLM with which peculiar nuances admitted and how do you train inquisitors not to enquire with boundary language?



    A human goes fly by wire. Turns left, the car goes right off a cliff. ;^)

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sat Mar 28 19:53:26 2026
    On 3/26/2026 3:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a car right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?


    You knew ChatGPT is just a copy-cat? That it might copy bad codes??

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    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sat Mar 28 19:58:24 2026
    On 3/27/2026 3:31 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Trains it self into saying, let me check the weather... Okay, I refuse
    to drive on that road without a 4wd with four studded snow tires.
    Chains? Maybe... ;^D

    How many programmers and teachers of programming here wanna train
    ChatGPT to become a top-notch (not just great) C/C++ programmer?

    And...

    How many mathematicians wanna train ChatGPT to become a top-notch (not
    just great) C/C++ programmer?

    Can ChatGPT become a programmer by merely and maybe blindly copying
    human's codes?

    Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithms_%2B_Data_Structures_%3D_Programs>

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    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sat Mar 28 19:59:41 2026
    On 3/27/2026 3:32 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    A human goes fly by wire. Turns left, the car goes right off a cliff. ;^)


    Because the wire was programmed by ChatGPT? :)

    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sat Mar 28 20:01:14 2026
    On 3/27/2026 3:32 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    A human goes fly by wire. Turns left, the car goes right off a cliff. ;^)


    Speaking of left and right, some surgeons might make the same mistakes!!
    No kidding!!

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    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Sat Mar 28 14:02:27 2026
    On 3/28/2026 4:53 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 3/26/2026 3:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Its not all that bad. However, let it write a system for breaks in a car
    right now. Yes. Then test it out, using a real car?


    You knew ChatGPT is just a copy-cat? That it might copy bad codes??


    Yeah. It gets the good, the bad, and the god damn ugly!

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Sam@3:633/10 to All on Sun Mar 29 07:47:11 2026
    Mr. Man-wai Chang writes:

    How many programmers and teachers of programming here wanna train ChatGPT to
    become a top-notch (not just great) C/C++ programmer?

    I would like to make a lot of people believe that ChatGPT is a top-notch C++ programmer.

    The LOLs will be worth it.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Tristan Wibberley@3:633/10 to All on Fri Apr 3 14:42:20 2026
    On 26/03/2026 19:32, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    A human goes fly by wire. Turns left, the car goes right off a cliff. ;^)

    Not left off a cliff?

    --
    Tristan Wibberley

    The message body is Copyright (C) 2026 Tristan Wibberley except
    citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
    of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
    verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
    promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
    of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
    superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
    any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
    will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 00:28:26 2026
    On 3/29/2026 7:47 PM, Sam wrote:

    I would like to make a lot of people believe that ChatGPT is a top-notch C++ programmer.

    The LOLs will be worth it.


    To make it even more interesting, spread bad source codes to Google
    Search! :)

    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 15:43:25 2026
    On 3/29/2026 4:47 AM, Sam wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang writes:

    How many programmers and teachers of programming here wanna train
    ChatGPT to become a top-notch (not just great) C/C++ programmer?

    I would like to make a lot of people believe that ChatGPT is a top-notch
    C++ programmer.

    The LOLs will be worth it.


    LOL! :^)

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)