• When everything is digital.. this happens..

    From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to All on Fri Feb 24 19:14:00 2023
    Another interesting video/vinyl/cassettes (Canadian) survivor
    story..

    "When everything is digital, why we long for media we can hold
    in our hands"

    "People are rediscovering the value of DVDs, records after
    years of digitizing everything.

    by Natalie Stechyson ú CBC News ú Posted: Feb 23, 2023 4:00 AM

    "It's a feeling increasingly shared by consumers and collectors
    across Canada. After years of digitizing everything, people are
    rediscovering the value of physical assets. DVDs, vinyl records
    and film cameras are all experiencing a renaissance. Even
    cassette tapes are making a comeback.

    "Last year, for the second year in a row, vinyl albums outsold
    CD albums in the in the U.S., Billboard reported in January
    (and the manufacturers are struggling to keep pace with the
    growth). In terms of photography, Kodak said in 2022 that it
    "can't keep up" with the demand for film.

    "a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
    common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
    old re-issues to new releases"

    [FULL article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/physical-media- dvd-vinyl-1.6755293 ]

    OR.. https://bbs.lc/mzDHd

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Sun Feb 26 00:55:00 2023
    "When everything is digital, why we long for media we can hold
    >in our hands"

    I can relate to the idea more than a lot of people probably. I own a lot of albums and have a Dual turntable for my stereo system and I have a fairly
    high end CD/DVD Player but have never purchased a CD or DVD.

    To answer the obvious question, the DVD player is part of a VCR and I have
    made Tapes with something like 350 movies on them.. That said, most are now
    so old that they likely no longer work well, if at all. I just don't find
    time to watch movies over and over so I've stopped collecting them..

    Okay, digital music, I'm not one to carry music with me everywhere I go, I
    have a music station on in the car while driving but I don't have the stereo playing at home all the time. But I do have close to 1000 MP3 Music pieces on my computer because I do like to have some music on while answring eMail.

    The most notable 'hold in your hand' thing would be books. As I've mentioned before I have a collection of something like 16,000 eBooks but, if a paper version is available in the library, I will read that instead of an eBook,
    even though my Phone, Tablet and Laptop have special software for reading eBooks in a number of formats. Normally I will only get into an eBook if it's part of a series that the Library is missing some parts of, and that's rare.
    I read about 150 paper books a year but have only read about 8 eBooks in the past year.

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * Oh well... Just another bear I'll have to cross
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rob Mccart on Sun Feb 26 18:45:12 2023
    Rob,

    The most notable 'hold in your hand' thing would be books. As I've mentioned before I have a collection of something like 16,000 eBooks but

    If it doesn't smell like paper and ink, I will not have it. It will be a cold day in hell before I venture into that direction...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20230201
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)
  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Sun Feb 26 15:31:00 2023
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ..and I have a fairly high end CD/DVD Player but have
    never purchased a CD or DVD.

    So.. WITHOUT any CDs and DVDs, it doesn't get used? ..unless
    you play rentals or something loaned from the library?


    To answer the obvious question, the DVD player is part of
    a VCR and I have made Tapes with something like 350 movies
    on them.. That said, most are now so old that they likely
    no longer work well, if at all. I just don't find time to
    watch movies over and over so I've stopped collecting
    them..

    You made tapes from the DVDs? I thought the normal process was
    the reverse.. to make DVD copies of tapes! <g>

    I have made DVD versions of some VHS tape movies (long before
    they introduced the anti-copy scheme) and do not regret doing
    it. My DVD recorder is equipped with a fairly large HDD and the
    originals can reside there for a while too.


    Okay, digital music, I'm not one to carry music with me
    everywhere I go...

    Likewise.. the digital format is very handy. I have ripped a
    portion of my CD collection and play them thru the iTunes
    program. The iTunes program is very capable wrt database
    operation and searches.

    Ideally, I'd like to establish a networked laptop next to my
    hi-fi setup and control the music that way.


    The most notable 'hold in your hand' thing would be books.
    As I've mentioned before I have a collection of something
    like 16,000 eBooks but, if a paper version is available in
    the library, I will read that instead of an eBook,

    That's a lot of eBooks! I venture into the eBook version only
    when I need to look up something or pull out a quote to share.
    But the preference is holding a physical book, that's for sure.


    ..even though my Phone, Tablet and Laptop have special
    software for reading eBooks in a number of formats.
    Normally I will only get into an eBook if it's part of a
    series that the Library is missing some parts of, and
    that's rare. I read about 150 paper books a year but have
    only read about 8 eBooks in the past year.

    To appreciate an eBook properly, a dedicated eReader device
    (with e-Ink display) is best. With it, you may still use
    ambient light for reading. Reading from an eReader is not as
    tiring on the eyes a using a smarphone or other computer
    display.

    Digital has its place. But never thought vinyl would become
    popular so much like that news article (and others like from a
    few years ago even) would.

    A cassette comeback I don't understand. The tapes are fragile
    and wear out if the mechanics of the player is not up to par.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to August Abolins on Mon Feb 27 11:39:57 2023
    On 26 Feb 23 15:31:00, August Abolins said the following to Rob Mccart:

    A cassette comeback I don't understand. The tapes are fragile
    and wear out if the mechanics of the player is not up to par.

    Maxell cassettes are the best. Tascam, Akai and Nakamichi made good recorders.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Tue Feb 28 00:26:00 2023
    The most notable 'hold in your hand' thing would be books. As I've
    > mentioned before I have a collection of something like 16,000 eBooks but

    If it doesn't smell like paper and ink, I will not have it. It will be a cold
    >y in hell before I venture into that direction...

    I definitely prefer a 'real' book but I will read an eBook when the paper version is not available, especially when it's a missing part of a series. Also, if you're going somewhere you may have to do a lot of waiting, it can be handy to have a book on your phone to kill time. You Could carry a book with you if you knew ahead of time you'd be sitting around but you have your phone with you in any case so I keep a few dozen ebooks on it to choose from in case I run into that situation.
    ---
    * SLMR Rob * I think, therefore I am... I think
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue Feb 28 01:06:00 2023
    ..and I have a fairly high end CD/DVD Player but have
    > never purchased a CD or DVD.

    So.. WITHOUT any CDs and DVDs, it doesn't get used? ..unless
    >you play rentals or something loaned from the library?

    Sometimes visitors may have movie disks or music CD's. I have made my
    own music CD's and DVD's in the past but find I don't use them much.

    To answer the obvious question, the DVD player is part of
    > a VCR and I have made Tapes with something like 350 movies
    > on them..

    You made tapes from the DVDs? I thought the normal process was
    >the reverse.. to make DVD copies of tapes! <g>

    I made tapes of movies that were on TV.. B)

    I have made DVD versions of some VHS tape movies (long before
    >they introduced the anti-copy scheme) and do not regret doing
    >it. My DVD recorder is equipped with a fairly large HDD and the
    >originals can reside there for a while too.

    I have a PVR with my satellite TV system that has a 1 TB hard drive, and
    more can be added. I collect shows and movies on that I don't have time to watch to save for later when they are not running new shows as much.

    Ideally, I'd like to establish a networked laptop next to my
    >hi-fi setup and control the music that way.

    My Stereo is fairly old, so getting digital music into it is difficult
    unless I do it through the aforementioned CD/DVD player which is directly
    wired into it. My system was worth close to $2000 about 40 years ago, so
    you can probably triple that for today. It is still working well, mostly because I don't abuse it at high volume or use it a whole lot really.

    ..even though my Phone, Tablet and Laptop have special
    > software for reading eBooks in a number of formats.

    To appreciate an eBook properly, a dedicated eReader device
    >(with e-Ink display) is best. With it, you may still use
    >ambient light for reading. Reading from an eReader is not as
    >tiring on the eyes a using a smarphone or other computer
    >display.

    I do have an eReader as well actually, although it has the older silvery
    LCD type display. It's pretty good even in bright sunlight but the
    battery life is less than with e-ink models. It does however read lots
    of document types including ePub, Mobi and PDF and it has a built in MP3
    player and can display photos in monochrome so it has it's good points.

    Digital has its place. But never thought vinyl would become
    >popular so much like that news article (and others like from a
    >few years ago even) would.

    I have (?) 60 or so vinyl records but mostly I only used them once to
    make a copy to cassette tape. I know most would argue the sound quality
    is not as good but I'm not such a music nut and I prefer to wear out a
    tape rather than the record. You can always make more tapes or disks
    with the right hardware.

    A cassette comeback I don't understand. The tapes are fragile
    >and wear out if the mechanics of the player is not up to par.

    I have a number of them that are decades old but I don't use them
    all that much and I always bought high end tapes which last better.
    My dual-tape cassette deck was also a fairly high end unit worth over
    $350 when I got it back in days of yore.. B)

    For me music was a lot like sports. I played a number of sports but I
    didn't watch sports on TV. I also play guitar and some piano and have
    written some music (was offered a record deal at one point) even if I
    don't have music playing all the time around me.

    Record deal - Was approached to do a record with my own music but the
    producer went bankrupt just before things got going.

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Tue Feb 28 23:06:00 2023
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    I have a PVR with my satellite TV system that has a 1 TB
    hard drive, and more can be added. I collect shows and
    movies on that I don't have time to watch to save for
    later when they are not running new shows as much.

    But.. what happens when you unsubscribe from the sat service?
    Do you have to return the PVR? Or.. can you transfer your
    recorded material to external media?

    Ideally, I'd like to establish a networked laptop next to my
    hi-fi setup and control the music that way.

    My Stereo is fairly old, so getting digital music into it
    is difficult unless I do it through the aforementioned CD/
    DVD player which is directly wired into it.

    You could just attach a laptop or a small form factor desktop
    that has the digital material on it. Then control the play via
    an app or the computer.


    My system was worth close to $2000 about 40 years ago, so
    you can probably triple that for today. It is still
    working well, mostly because I don't abuse it at high
    volume or use it a whole lot really.

    My fine speakers developed the infamous foam rot around the
    woofers after 12 yrs. But I found a place in Ottawa that
    specialized in re-foaming existing woofers. I just removed the
    woofers and just sent those.


    I have (?) 60 or so vinyl records but mostly I only used
    them once to make a copy to cassette tape. I know most
    would argue the sound quality is not as good but I'm not
    such a music nut and I prefer to wear out a tape rather
    than the record. You can always make more tapes or disks
    with the right hardware.

    It has been the same process for me above: copy LP to tape
    inorder to preserve the LP. I liked doing that especially when
    I didn't particularly care for specific songs on an LP. And..
    I could build theme-based tapes too. My collection reached
    1200 LPs.


    A cassette comeback I don't understand. The tapes are
    fragile and wear out if the mechanics of the player is
    not up to par.

    I have a number of them that are decades old but I don't
    use them all that much and I always bought high end tapes
    which last better.

    I was particularly referring to the fragility of commercially
    recorded cassettes.


    My dual-tape cassette deck was also a
    fairly high end unit worth over $350 when I got it back in
    days of yore.. B)

    I thought I had purchased a fine dual-deck cassette player too
    (upwards of $400 at the time) ..but one of the players
    gradually started to fail; I'd be making a high-speed copy and
    one of the recorder or player units would just stop.
    Eventually, I couldn't use the deck for copying anymore. And
    one of the players would just stop after a few seconds of
    "play" as well. I still have it. I just haven't operated it
    in many years since the problem started.


    Record deal - Was approached to do a record with my own
    music but the producer went bankrupt just before things
    got going.

    That's an interesting story. What label was the producer
    affiliated with? That would be a dream for many to be
    "discovered" by a producer who thought their material was
    worthy of promotion. In what genre would you class your music?
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 1 08:26:00 2023
    Have a nice day, Aug!

    I have a PVR with my satellite TV system that has a 1 TB hard drive, and
    more can be added. I collect shows and movies on that I don't have time
    to watch to save for later when they are not running new shows as much.

    But.. what happens when you unsubscribe from the sat service?
    One man unsubscribe from the sat service. His wife do not see TV, but listen new wave (humor) on radio after that. Before it she listen retro wave on her radio)

    Do you have
    to return the PVR? Or.. can you transfer your recorded material to external media?
    One man transfer and pack his material to compact disk. His sun goto green forest of many tree's branches with compact disk and wintchester for pif-paf to disk from wintchester))

    Ideally, I'd like to establish a networked laptop next to my
    hi-fi setup and control the music that way.
    ((
    My Stereo is fairly old, so getting digital music into it is difficult
    unless I do it through the aforementioned CD/ DVD player which is
    directly wired into it.
    (
    You could just attach a laptop or a small form factor desktop that has
    the digital material on it. Then control the play via an app or the computer.
    DORA just attach to TV a small factor) desktop that has the digital material on it. Then control the play via her computer's app into IR-device with DURACELL)))
    --- WinPoint 415.0
    * Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (1:153/757.1315)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Denis Mosko on Wed Mar 1 09:51:02 2023
    DORA just attach to TV a small factor) desktop that has the digital material on it. Then control the play via her computer's app into
    IR-device with DURACELL)))

    So she controls the TV via a vibrator?

    --- DB4 - 20230201
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 1 08:18:24 2023
    I have over 2,000 vinyl LPs & 50-odd 45s. . . All older/classic. . .

    I'd be interested in seeing a pie chart comparing sales of: LPs
    Cassettes
    CDs
    MP3s

    Ladr I heard the downloads have been supreme for some time. . .

    I have 25K+ MP3s, mostly in discography downloaded sets for artists I already have represented in physical media.

    What we lost in losing LPs is the wonderful & creative album art; like the Moody Blues -- every album is a wonder, with new delights every time you open one fully & gaze upon it. . .

    They try with CD covers, but there's so much less space to work with. . .

    I liked having the lyrics printed o the back -- sometimes it was the only way to know what the lyrics were, for me!

    The last physical new album I bought was a Frank Sinatra Greatest Hits CD when I first heard he died, trying to best the jacking up of prices & potential scarcity at the old "record store"; now I grab everything digital (MP3s) for free. . .

    It's my protest against the stupidity of music pricing, nearly none of which goes to the artist, in spite of the lying ads saying that piracy hurts the artists.

    I used to party with artists next door to me at a private recording studio; one tried to give me a band tee, but the promoter stopped him & they argued; the band member said he just wants a fan to be wearing their name so others hear of them. The promoter/manager reminded the guy that he was OWNED by the promoter
    & the lovely cash they had to spend on drugs & partying exists only because of the fact, that the bandmate had given up all autonomous choice WRT the band.

    Made sense, but I felt the musician's frustration at having his dreams of adulation & love of his art subverted for corporate profits. . .

    I have records spanning many years in some artists' careers & can often hear the album that marked the change from being artists expressing their love of their art, & their becoming slaves of the corporate hegemony.

    It goes from freely expressing their muse to "here's your damned music. . . Are we done yet?"

    /G

    Another interesting video/vinyl/cassettes (Canadian) survivor
    story..
    "When everything is digital, why we long for media we can hold
    in our hands"
    "People are rediscovering the value of DVDs, records after
    years of digitizing everything.
    by Natalie Stechyson · CBC News · Posted: Feb 23, 2023 4:00 AM
    "It's a feeling increasingly shared by consumers and collectors
    across Canada. After years of digitizing everything, people are
    rediscovering the value of physical assets. DVDs, vinyl records
    and film cameras are all experiencing a renaissance. Even
    cassette tapes are making a comeback.
    "Last year, for the second year in a row, vinyl albums outsold
    CD albums in the in the U.S., Billboard reported in January
    (and the manufacturers are struggling to keep pace with the
    growth). In terms of photography, Kodak said in 2022 that it
    "can't keep up" with the demand for film.
    "a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
    common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
    old re-issues to new releases"
    [FULL article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/physical-media- dvd-vinyl-1.6755293 ]
    OR.. https://bbs.lc/mzDHd

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Thu Mar 2 02:38:00 2023
    I have a PVR with my satellite TV system that has a 1 TB
    hard drive, and more can be added. I collect shows and
    movies on that I don't have time to watch to save for
    later when they are not running new shows as much.

    But.. what happens when you unsubscribe from the sat service?
    >Do you have to return the PVR? Or.. can you transfer your
    >recorded material to external media?

    Possibly. The unit will accept an external hard drive attached to it
    but I'm not sure how it decides what goes where. I'd have to look at
    the settings. They recently updated their PVR's and told us to just
    dispose of the old one, which has a lot of stuff on it but only had
    about a 320 gig drive. It's not really stuff I was keeping other than
    to finally find time to watch it once. Usually these places charge
    'rent' on the unit for 2 years and then consider that you own it.
    If you dropped the service sooner you'd either have to buy out the
    balance or return it but, that said, the unit Only works with that
    one company so it becomes just an external drive after that.
    Hmm.. that said, the drive in it is a standard computer type hard
    drive so you could open the thing up and pull it to use in whatever
    you wanted if the video is stored in a standard format..

    I've been with Shaw Digital (Org. StarChoice) for something like
    25 years so the problem has never come up before.

    RM> My Stereo is fairly old, so getting digital music into it
    RM> is difficult unless I do it through the aforementioned CD/
    RM> DVD player which is directly wired into it.

    You could just attach a laptop or a small form factor desktop
    >that has the digital material on it. Then control the play via
    >an app or the computer.

    Could be tricky finding a way to get the feed into the stereo other
    than I suppose using the headphone jack into some input on the stereo
    but then you are just using it as bigger speakers.. you can't really
    copy the music files onto the stereo unless maybe play them and record
    it on cassette tapes. What I could do is burn a music DVD and I can
    run the DVD player through the Stereo. I've done that before, just not
    used it often.

    My system was worth close to $2000 about 40 years ago, so
    you can probably triple that for today. It is still
    working well, mostly because I don't abuse it at high
    volume or use it a whole lot really.

    My fine speakers developed the infamous foam rot around the
    >woofers after 12 yrs. But I found a place in Ottawa that
    >specialized in re-foaming existing woofers. I just removed the
    >woofers and just sent those.

    I think mine are still okay. I haven't looked at them too closely in
    a while. Last time I ran it they sounded fine. It has about 12" woofers
    and a mid range and a tweeter in each cabinet about 30" high.

    would argue the sound quality is not as good but I'm not
    such a music nut and I prefer to wear out a tape rather
    than the record. You can always make more tapes or disks
    with the right hardware.

    It has been the same process for me above: copy LP to tape
    >inorder to preserve the LP. I liked doing that especially when
    >I didn't particularly care for specific songs on an LP. And..
    >I could build theme-based tapes too. My collection reached
    >1200 LPs.

    Wow, that's quite a collection.

    A cassette comeback I don't understand. The tapes are
    fragile and wear out if the mechanics of the player is
    not up to par.

    I have a number of them that are decades old but I don't
    use them all that much and I always bought high end tapes
    which last better.

    I was particularly referring to the fragility of commercially
    >recorded cassettes.

    Oh, right.. those were terrible quality. If I got any of those
    I'd make a copy on a better quality tape right away.

    Record deal - Was approached to do a record with my own
    music but the producer went bankrupt just before things
    got going.

    That's an interesting story. What label was the producer
    >affiliated with? That would be a dream for many to be
    >"discovered" by a producer who thought their material was
    >worthy of promotion. In what genre would you class your music?

    That was a LONG time ago. Likely it was under his own label that
    no one would remember today. My music was mostly Folk, anti war stuff
    at the time was popular. Titles like '100 Million Soldiers' and
    'Say Goodbye to Mary Ann' - I'll be seeing her no more.
    And please try to understand, I'm going off to war.
    Don't tell me I'm just a boy, I have got to go.
    I'm not a kid.. I'll be 18.. In a month or so..

    Sort of Ironic stuff..

    In later years I wrote a Christmas one that most everyone loved
    Girl walked out song. 'It Won't Feel Much Like Christams This Year'..
    Final line was, When I woke up Christmas morning she was underneath
    my tree.. (Which was why people didn't hate it..)

    And one that was supposed to be a joke making fun of the old type
    Country Music. Another, my girl left me, song. (Write what you know!)

    First few lines..
    It's been a while now, still I get lonely
    And the nights go on and on.
    And now and then I think about you girl.
    I'd like to send you a pretty flower
    For each time I've thought of you
    But there aren't that many Roses in the world..

    It was supposed to be a joke song mocking the really old '4 chord'
    stuff, but most people into country music really liked it.
    There's probably a message in there somewhere.. B)

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * No, you CAN'T dial 911.. Can't you see I'm downloading?
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to George Pope on Thu Mar 2 21:53:00 2023
    Hello George!

    I have over 2,000 vinyl LPs & 50-odd 45s. . . All older/classic. . .

    About 1200 LPs, and about 500 45s here.

    I'd be interested in seeing a pie chart comparing sales of: LPs
    Cassettes
    CDs
    MP3s

    I'm sure those stats exist somewhere.


    I have 25K+ MP3s, mostly in discography downloaded sets
    for artists I already have represented in physical media.

    I've purchased far more CDs thatn I've purchased MP3 downloads.
    The record clubs such as Columbia House made it easy and
    somewhat inexpensive.


    What we lost in losing LPs is the wonderful & creative
    album art; like the Moody Blues -- every album is a
    wonder, with new delights every time you open one fully &
    gaze upon it. . .

    Yes.. the album art and contents (foldouts, inserts, etc) added
    to a great listening experience.


    They try with CD covers, but there's so much less space to
    work with. . .

    The "booklet" form isn't bad. But the print can be too small.
    Some CD covers would "fold out" to a larger size, but it tended
    to get annoying to get them back in place.


    I liked having the lyrics printed o the back -- sometimes
    it was the only way to know what the lyrics were, for me!

    I remember when user-posted lyrics were FORBIDDEN on the
    internet. Now, there is no shortage of sites offering the full
    lyrics. And those sites even request user input for songs with
    missing lyrics.


    The last physical new album I bought was a Frank Sinatra
    Greatest Hits CD when I first heard he died, trying to
    best the jacking up of prices & potential scarcity at the
    old "record store"; now I grab everything digital (MP3s)
    for free. . .

    I can't remember the last *NEW* LP I purchased. I gradually
    continued to acquire some used LPs from thrift shops from time
    to time.


    It's my protest against the stupidity of music pricing,
    nearly none of which goes to the artist, in spite of the
    lying ads saying that piracy hurts the artists.

    Not to worry. There is still plenty of money flowing in the
    biz.


    I used to party with artists next door to me at a private
    recording studio; one tried to give me a band tee, but the
    promoter stopped him & they argued; the band member said
    he just wants a fan to be wearing their name so others
    hear of them.

    Seems short-sighted by the promoter. You were a clear candidate
    to be a walking billboard.


    I have records spanning many years in some artists'
    careers & can often hear the album that marked the change
    from being artists expressing their love of their art, &
    their becoming slaves of the corporate hegemony.

    I haven't heard too many stories like that. But I have heard
    of artists losing the rights to their own material due to some
    small print in their contracts.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to August Abolins on Fri Mar 3 10:39:40 2023
    I have over 2,000 vinyl LPs & 50-odd 45s. . . All older/classic. . .

    About 1200 LPs, and about 500 45s here.

    And then when you pass, your next of kin will get rid of it in the trash bin.

    The "booklet" form isn't bad. But the print can be too small.
    Some CD covers would "fold out" to a larger size, but it tended
    to get annoying to get them back in place.

    Try that with "Thick as a brick". Or John Lord's "Gemini Suite", I bought thatone just for the cover.

    I haven't heard too many stories like that. But I have heard
    of artists losing the rights to their own material due to some
    small print in their contracts.

    We've had that discussion many times and the majority of people, nearly all of them that is, do not understand. As an author you cannot sign-away or sell the creative rights of a piece of music, a book, etc... It stays. The main problem here is the weakness of the english language where "copyright" is a multi-faceted thing understood by most of the not educated into the art as having only one meaning ....

    Way way back in time it was announced that Michael Jackson bought the rights of the Lennon-McCartney portfolio at Northern Music... after that "Yesterday" "She Loves You" "Help" "A hard days night" still mentioned 'Lennon-McCartney'. Michael Jackson was cashing-in on the sale of the music (in english 'copyright', in dutch 'commercial rights") but McCartney and the estate of John Lennon were still cashing-in on the airtime (in english "copyright" still, in dutch "creative rights") ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20230201
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Ward Dossche on Fri Mar 3 07:55:00 2023
    About 1200 LPs, and about 500 45s here.

    And then when you pass, your next of kin will get rid of
    it in the trash bin.

    Perhaps. But so what. They were/are an enjoyment for ME. I
    do not determine my purchases for my own use to be of value for
    others.


    The "booklet" form isn't bad. But the print can be too
    small. Some CD covers would "fold out" to a larger size,
    but it tended to get annoying to get them back in place.

    Try that with "Thick as a brick". Or John Lord's "Gemini
    Suite", I bought thatone just for the cover.

    Do not know Tull's LP, but the wiki on it sounds interesting.
    Don't know the Jon Lord recording/package.


    I haven't heard too many stories like that. But I have
    heard of artists losing the rights to their own material
    due to some small print in their contracts.

    We've had that discussion many times and the majority of
    people, nearly all of them that is, do not understand. As
    an author you cannot sign-away or sell the creative rights
    of a piece of music, a book, etc... It stays.

    OK. Ah.. the weakness of my own language.. I meant "losing the
    control". Indeed, royalties continue.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to August Abolins on Fri Mar 3 17:47:27 2023
    Try that with "Thick as a brick". Or John Lord's "Gemini
    Suite", I bought thatone just for the cover.

    Do not know Tull's LP, but the wiki on it sounds interesting.
    Don't know the Jon Lord recording/package.

    The "Thick as a brick" folds out as a complete newspaper and is worth a read in itself. I played it for my mam because she wanted to hear it and declared me nuts.

    There's the Tull-version of course, and Ian Anderson still performs this, but here's a cover version by kids 2 generations down the line who picked it up and played it live as a kind of school assignment ... I love it ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V46DQzKzh7Y

    \%/@rd

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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 13 10:38:00 2023
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Thursday 02.03.23 - 02:38, you wrote to me:

    I have a PVR with my satellite TV system that has a 1 TB
    hard drive [...]

    [...] The unit will accept an external hard drive attached to it
    but I'm not sure how it decides what goes where. I'd have to look at
    the settings.

    My understanding is that the material recorded onto the
    external drive is encrypted and would only be accessible from
    another Bell branded PVR (if the encryption and format remain
    the same between PVRs)


    They recently updated their PVR's and told us to just
    dispose of the old one, which has a lot of stuff on it but
    only had about a 320 gig drive. It's not really stuff I
    was keeping other than to finally find time to watch it
    once.

    A friend of mine who divides his time between two locations in
    Ontario recently had a similar situation where a new PVR was
    delivered at no charge (without asking) and the instructions
    were to send back the old one "for proper disposal". He has
    had two other recievers go thru that same process - but he
    decided to keep the old units over time.

    One salient difference he noted between the one he was
    currently using and the one they sent in as a replacement/
    upgrade, was that the new one does NOT support PIP (picture-in-
    picture) which he had grown fond of using.


    [...] the unit Only works with that one company so it
    becomes just an external drive after that. Hmm.. that
    said, the drive in it is a standard computer type hard
    drive so you could open the thing up and pull it to use in
    whatever you wanted if the video is stored in a standard
    format..

    Hmmm is right. I wonder if the HDD could be salvaged to
    operate independently.

    There seems to be some YT vids that explain the process to
    salvage. (I avoid YT vids because most of the explanations
    take up way too much data to show a single step!) I try to
    look for the textual answers. One of those suggested that the
    internal drives from Shaw cable PVRs are linux partitions.


    I've been with Shaw Digital (Org. StarChoice) for something like
    25 years so the problem has never come up before.

    There you go. You can pull the HDD out and have a fine external
    drive for other storage needs. You might even be able to
    access the existing media directly.


    My Stereo is fairly old, so getting digital music into it
    is difficult unless I do it through the aforementioned CD/
    DVD player which is directly wired into it.

    It doesn't have an AUX/IN ?


    [...] What I could do is burn a music DVD and I can run
    the DVD player through the Stereo. I've done that before,
    just not used it often.

    Hmmm.. I've never tried putting music files on DVD and playing
    that. My TV supports SD card media, but then it has to be
    photos only. However, an external USB with .mp3 or .wma are
    supported.

    Unlike your situation, my old stereo only has a CD changer
    connected to it. The CD player supports CD-R/CD+R but not CD-
    RW. :(


    My system was worth close to $2000 about 40 years ago, so
    you can probably triple that for today. It is still
    working well, mostly because I don't abuse it at high
    volume or use it a whole lot really.

    I've owned three units over 40yrs of my time. The latest has
    developed a slight static noise when the volume control motor
    is adjusted with its remote.


    My fine speakers developed the infamous foam rot [...]

    I think mine are still okay. I haven't looked at them too
    closely in a while. Last time I ran it they sounded fine.
    It has about 12" woofers and a mid range and a tweeter in
    each cabinet about 30" high.

    One day, (after NOT playing the stereo for about a year), I
    noticed that the bass was next to non-existent and there was an
    odd mehanical noise in the speaker where there ought to have
    been good bass response. Peeling off the grill, shock and
    horror met my eyes when I saw that the rims of the woofers had
    simply detached.

    would argue the sound quality is not as good but I'm not
    such a music nut and I prefer to wear out a tape rather
    than the record. You can always make more tapes or disks
    with the right hardware.

    Nut a real audio nut here either, but I always dreamed of
    having a more advanced set up with a Klipsch pair and dedicated
    amp (not just a commercial receiver).

    MEANWHILE, I inherited a pair of studio monitors and a matching
    subwoofer that ought to be awesome.


    Record deal - Was approached to do a record with my own
    music [...]

    That was a LONG time ago. Likely it was under his own label that
    no one would remember today. My music was mostly Folk, anti war stuff

    Sort of Ironic stuff..

    If the voice and instrumentation is good, that can bring new
    life and an appreciative audience to a cover song.


    First few lines..
    It's been a while now, still I get lonely
    And the nights go on and on.
    And now and then I think about you girl.
    I'd like to send you a pretty flower
    For each time I've thought of you
    But there aren't that many Roses in the world..

    It was supposed to be a joke song mocking the really old '4 chord'
    stuff, but most people into country music really liked it.
    There's probably a message in there somewhere.. B)

    Sometimes the simplest songs do the best.

    BTW.. did you know there is a Fido sysop in our midst who is a
    successful recording artist? Look up Shooter Jennings.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
    * Origin: Age Doesn't Matter Unless You're a Cheese (1:396/45.29)
  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Wed Mar 15 01:17:00 2023
    [...] The unit will accept an external hard drive attached to it
    but I'm not sure how it decides what goes where. I'd have to look at
    the settings.

    My understanding is that the material recorded onto the
    >external drive is encrypted and would only be accessible from
    >another Bell branded PVR (if the encryption and format remain
    >the same between PVRs)

    That could well be to save people easily 'sharing' TV shows with others
    who don't pay for the service.

    One salient difference he noted between the one he was
    >currently using and the one they sent in as a replacement/
    >upgrade, was that the new one does NOT support PIP (picture-in-
    >picture) which he had grown fond of using.

    My TV set is too old to support that sort of thing. I could easily
    afford a newer one but haven't been bothered enough to do so up to
    this point. Mine is an old tube type 29" Toshiba, a nice unit at the
    time of purchase but ancient by today's standards. My living room is
    small so a bigger unit isn't really required, although things like
    sub titles when characters are mixing langages in TV shows are getting
    so small they are near impossible to read..

    [...] the unit Only works with that one company so it
    becomes just an external drive after that. Hmm.. that
    said, the drive in it is a standard computer type hard
    drive so you could open the thing up and pull it to use in
    whatever you wanted if the video is stored in a standard
    format..

    Hmmm is right. I wonder if the HDD could be salvaged to
    >operate independently.

    I think it would only be a problem if you were trying to save things
    from the original PVR. Almost for sure you could reformat the drive
    to use in/for something else.

    My Stereo is fairly old, so getting digital music into it
    is difficult unless I do it through the aforementioned CD/
    DVD player which is directly wired into it.

    It doesn't have an AUX/IN ?

    Not for a flash drive or other digital storage device. It has several
    AUX/IN lines but they use 2 wire RCA jacks since it's for sound only.

    [...] What I could do is burn a music DVD and I can run
    the DVD player through the Stereo. I've done that before,
    just not used it often.

    Hmmm.. I've never tried putting music files on DVD and playing
    >that. My TV supports SD card media, but then it has to be
    >photos only. However, an external USB with .mp3 or .wma are
    >supported.

    My VCR/DVD unit uses the TV to show menus and it supports all sorts
    of formats. The nice thing about using a DVD for music is you can
    have hundreds of MP3 pieces on a single disk.

    Not a real audio nut here either, but I always dreamed of
    >having a more advanced set up with a Klipsch pair and dedicated
    >amp (not just a commercial receiver).

    That friend of mine with over 1500 classical music CD's was one to
    buy amplifiers worth more than most pay for a full stereo. His system
    was probably worth close to $15,000. My stereo was a cheap unit compared
    to his but I do have a dedicated amp so you have to have separate units
    for playing Cassettes and Records and even a Tuner for Radio use.

    But I think most of my more serious dedication to music got pushed
    aside when I discovered computers back around 1982.. B)

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * CAUTION: Try this on somebody else's computer first
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 30 15:57:26 2023
    I have 25K+ MP3s, mostly in discography downloaded sets
    for artists I already have represented in physical media.

    I've purchased far more CDs thatn I've purchased MP3 downloads.
    The record clubs such as Columbia House made it easy and
    somewhat inexpensive.

    I never said I purchased MP3 downloads (I have, but very few compared to the 25K+ I have!)

    Yes.. the album art and contents (foldouts, inserts, etc) added
    to a great listening experience.

    I needed the printed lyrics, as my brain could not differentiate combined sounds like words & music. . .

    They try with CD covers, but there's so much less space to
    work with. . .
    The "booklet" form isn't bad. But the print can be too small.

    Oh, don't get me started on small print. . . I can finally hear normally, probably better than ever, with a set of hearing aids recently gained.

    Some CD covers would "fold out" to a larger size, but it tended
    to get annoying to get them back in place.

    Like the old folded provincial maps?

    Now people have a GPS nearly-3D display of the current road & the nearest connecting roads right in front of them, nearly (at about 2:30 beside the steering wheel.)

    I remember when user-posted lyrics were FORBIDDEN on the
    internet. Now, there is no shortage of sites offering the full
    lyrics. And those sites even request user input for songs with
    missing lyrics.

    Some places still have the ban--my fave site used to, & explained they had a contract with an information & streaming music video provider that required it I guess they've changed contracts somewhere, as they have a LOT of lyrics now; not an d, as I have no skin in their game: www.songfacts.com -- lots of good info on thousands of songs & artists, mostly

    20th & 21st century hits. . .

    I can't remember the last *NEW* LP I purchased. I gradually
    continued to acquire some used LPs from thrift shops from time
    to time.

    Same -- can't beat $2 for a CD or $1 for an LP.

    I haven't heard too many stories like that. But I have heard
    of artists losing the rights to their own material due to some
    small print in their contracts.

    Or how Michael Jackson had to pay Paul McCartney to use his own(MJ's) music in a concert special. I don't feel bad -- Mikey had plenty of dough. . . As does Paul, no doubt! (not enough to marry a TWO legged model, though, it would seem)

    Sorry; I'm ashamed to know even that much about an entertainer's personal life. .

    I define the entertainer class as: singers, models, actors, athletes, news anchors, & politicians.

    I like most music, some TV shows, a rare few older movies, but I'm not into being fanatic("a fan") of the players -- I might note seeing the same face or voice a few times in material I like, like how I love pretty much every tv series that Chuck Lorre has produced, & would be happy only watching reruns of his shows over new series by others. . but I'm not gaga for him -- I know nothing about him except he's kind of quirky (his end note cards at the end of nearly every episode are my clue to this -- & quirky is good -- I guess I like quirky characters who interact realistically & naturally & whose micro- expressions match the scenes.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to George Pope on Mon May 1 08:05:00 2023
    Hello George Pope!

    ** On Sunday 30.04.23 - 15:57, George Pope wrote to August Abolins:

    I never said I purchased MP3 downloads (I have, but very
    few compared to the 25K+ I have!)

    The odd purchase, either from iTunes or other, were worth it at
    the time.

    One of my earliest points of access to good quality mp3's was
    something called FrogMusic (or something like that). HDTracks
    and Magnatune were others of my choice. But Puretracks (a
    Canadian operation from 2003-2017) was ultimately my favourite
    in that they offered DRM-free versions and files at much higher
    bit-rate than iTunes offered at that time. CD Baby was another
    goto for me.

    I didn't realize that Napster is back, albiet a pay system.

    Yes.. the album art and contents (foldouts, inserts, etc)
    added to a great listening experience.

    I needed the printed lyrics, as my brain could not
    differentiate combined sounds like words & music. . .

    I'm sure that the lack of printed lyrics were the source of
    many mis-heard lyrics. If I'm really curious, Spotify's lyric
    stream that displays in sync with a tune can be a demystifying
    saviour.

    www.songfacts.com -- lots of good info on thousands of songs & artists, mostly

    I remember visiting that place years ago. Good to see that they
    are still providing info today. It's a pretty good resource.


    I can't remember the last *NEW* LP I purchased. I gradually
    continued to acquire some used LPs from thrift shops from
    time to time.

    Same -- can't beat $2 for a CD or $1 for an LP.

    I've taken very good care of my 1100+ LPs. I hope to put them
    out for resale soon, but they will be priced much higher than
    $2, that's for sure! :D


    I like most music, some TV shows, a rare few older movies,
    but I'm not into being fanatic("a fan") of the players --
    I might note seeing the same face or voice a few times in
    material I like, like how I love pretty much every tv
    series that Chuck Lorre has produced, & would be happy
    only watching reruns of his shows over new series by
    others. . but I'm not gaga for him -- I know nothing
    about him except he's kind of quirky (his end note cards
    at the end of nearly every episode are my clue to this --
    & quirky is good -- I guess I like quirky characters who
    interact realistically & naturally & whose micro-
    expressions match the scenes.

    I looked at Chuck Lorre's portfolio. I think I've ever seen 4
    or 5 of his creations. I don't remember seeing any end cards.
    Mayby it was the way the broadcaster cut off the show (or make
    it an inset size) so that they could inject a commercial or an
    announcement.

    Anyway.. no streaming or OTA tv for me anymore. I'm fine with
    what I can find on physical media or captured online and then
    put onto file format and watched later.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Mon May 1 15:38:05 2023
    Hi August,

    On 2023-05-01 08:05:00, you wrote to George Pope:

    I looked at Chuck Lorre's portfolio. I think I've ever seen 4
    or 5 of his creations. I don't remember seeing any end cards.

    You can read them all here: http://chucklorre.com/?e=1464
    ;-)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.2.0.0
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 1 10:57:00 2023
    Hello Wilfred!

    I looked at Chuck Lorre's portfolio. I think I've ever
    seen 4 or 5 of his creations. I don't remember seeing
    any end cards.

    You can read them all here: http://chucklorre.com/?e=1464
    ;-)

    Yes.. I eventually found a few samples before.

    I like #724

    I sampled a few more at the site. The > buttons don't produce
    then in order. Instead, they seem to randomize and I see
    previous ones. Anyway.. I got the gist. Lorre proves himself
    to be a gifted comic muse.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
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