• All across Canada, unprecedented rise in theft

    From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to All on Wed Feb 15 20:42:00 2023
    "All across Canada, stores are dealing with an unprecedented
    rise in theft affecting business and putting staff at risk.

    https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/annual-shoplifting- losses-top-250000-for-cambridge-grocer-6464406

    https://bbs.lc/kj5hY

    "Shoplifting has soared in Cambridge amid high living costs and
    inflation with some stores reporting losses of upwards of
    $250,000 annually.

    "In Guelph on Monday, police arrested a couple from Toronto for
    shoplifting after officers discovered a bag which had been
    specially modified so the stolen items would not set off the
    store's security scanners.

    --
    ../|ug

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Thu Feb 16 16:23:00 2023
    "All across Canada, stores are dealing with an unprecedented
    rise in theft affecting business and putting staff at risk.

    https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/annual-shoplifting- losses-top-250000-for-cambridge-grocer-6464406

    https://bbs.lc/kj5hY

    It has been happening in the US, too. :(


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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 1 07:55:00 2023
    "All across Canada, stores are dealing with an unprecedented
    rise in theft affecting business and putting staff at risk. https://www.cambridgetoday.ca/local-news/annual-shoplifting- losses-top-250000-for-cambridge-grocer-6464406
    https://bbs.lc/kj5hY

    I was thrilled a couple Christmases ago when I was shaking bells for the Sallies outside my neighbourhood Fresho, & heard a commotion & saw what looked like some older youth wrestling their way out the door, & two chased two across the parking lot, one tackling another, causing the tacklee's glasses & phone togo flying as his face slammed into cold wet blacktop.

    I shrugged, as kids gotta be kids, but then a bit later a staff member explained that was a takedown of a shoplifter. Management always has security around the holidays, but this year they paid extra for take down service (mostly they're hands-off, if they can't simply get the thief to cooperate with words and a compelling grip alone)

    I cheered & praised the store's management all month! Simple nabbing of the too slow is no deterrent, as they think it;'s a fun adventure to be handcuffed, perp-walked, & fingerprinted, only to be released to be in another store doing same within the hour. . .

    Painful takedown sets a more memorable deterrent (oh, no, I might get hurt if I'm a jackass thief!)

    Back in the day, before our time, I'm sure, a shoplifter got caught by a proprietor, taken out back & had a careful(non-maiming) beating administered.

    Kid ran home crying; parents got the truth out of him & gave him another beating or two, one for the crime & another for embarrassing the family.

    Now, though, if the proprietor even squeezes a tiny bit too hard in grabbing the kid, he's liable to be arrested!

    I'd like to see more of the older way in play. . . but beatings within reason - - painful, but not maiming. . . Diotto for parenting. . . loving discipline is not the same as angry abuse! I'm thankful i was lovingly disciplined as a kid==yeah, it hurt, but not as much as prison beatings might have if I'd grown up into an unchecked criminal like so many are nowadays. . .

    I was a petty thief/shoplifter as a kid, but knew better & outgrew the nasty habit. Now, if I want something I can't afford I either choose to not want it that much, or to save up for it. . . I'm in a rich province in a rich country -
    - I have no cause to be actually hungry enough to try justifying shoplifting food. (As I once fooled myself into doing as a homeless(99% personal choice) teen.)

    I heard-tell of a story of the Toronto mayor physically attacking a hoarder/vendor of Covid shorted necessities & was quite pleased to hear it.

    Much better feeling than when the Alberta premier drunkenly harangued some homeless people at a soup kitchen. . .

    Some people are put into poverty/homelessness through society's lacks & deserve empathy & help -- others, however are clearly greedy or lazy, & deserve nothing but contempt. Sadly too many do-gooder organisations & lobbyists make it hard for the average person to know this difference.

    I'm thankful that the same farther who bruised by rear end with a leather belt as needed, also taught me to think for myself & to dig deeper for truth, as needed.

    Not all who claim to be an ally or friend are. . .

    I'd like to see more meatballs sentenced to public canings & the newsmedia stop giving them notoriety -- I'd like to see a headline like, "Some cowardly piece of human garbage attacked a senior in the park yesterday. Police are asking anyone who knows anything to contact them anonymously as a good citizen who cares about their community."

    Make it a feel good choice to cooperate with one's community's police instead of a "look at me" infamy as they currently report it. . .

    Or a headline like, "Some loser defaced the bridge with spray-paint in the night. City staff were out scrubbing it early, ensuring commuters wouldn't have to see the evidence of such a useless twat being in our community."

    Kind of takes the so-called glory out of it, eh?

    I'm working on getting myself deeper in with the local media to hopefully eventually broach this idea to the editors in control, as an editorial personality to take. . .

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to George Pope on Thu Mar 2 21:30:00 2023
    Hello George!

    Back in the day, before our time, I'm sure, a shoplifter
    got caught by a proprietor, taken out back & had a
    careful(non-maiming) beating administered.

    [...]

    Now, though, if the proprietor even squeezes a tiny bit
    too hard in grabbing the kid, he's liable to be arrested!

    The best I could do is get passed the suspect and lock the door
    until the police arrive.


    I'd like to see more of the older way in play. . . but
    beatings within reason - - painful, but not maiming. . .
    Diotto for parenting. . . loving discipline is not the
    same as angry abuse! I'm thankful i was lovingly
    disciplined as a kid==yeah, it hurt, but not as much as
    prison beatings might have if I'd grown up into an
    unchecked criminal like so many are nowadays. . .

    My dad reached a breaking point when I admitted that I lied to
    prevent my brother from a prolonged lashing. I ended up with
    significant cuts to my back that took weeks to heal. I think I
    was just 8yrs old at the time. Future beatings stopped after
    the results of my beatings leaked to the public one way or
    another.


    I'm thankful that the same farther who bruised by rear end
    with a leather belt as needed, also taught me to think
    for myself & to dig deeper for truth, as needed.

    No lectures here. I just got the occasional lashing and was
    told to go to bed without supper. Then, I would refuse to eat
    supper when asked.

    I'd like to see more meatballs sentenced to public canings
    & the newsmedia stop giving them notoriety -- I'd like to
    see a headline like, "Some cowardly piece of human
    garbage attacked a senior in the park yesterday. Police
    are asking anyone who knows anything to contact them
    anonymously as a good citizen who cares about their
    community."

    So you think public shaming is a good deterrent?


    Make it a feel good choice to cooperate with one's
    community's police instead of a "look at me" infamy as
    they currently report it. . .

    I think the community of businesses (especially in a small
    town) spread the word on a suspect to watch out for.


    --
    ../|ug

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 30 15:42:16 2023
    Now, though, if the proprietor even squeezes a tiny bit
    too hard in grabbing the kid, he's liable to be arrested!
    The best I could do is get passed the suspect and lock the door
    until the police arrive.

    Yeah, that's effective -- in the US, at least in Washington state, they have a law against "concealment for the purpose.." meaning they don't need for the perp to exit the store to have committed the crime (as in BC); sticking the item up under the coat counts as an arrestable(including citizen's) event

    Can you not perform a citizen's arrest of the shoplifter? But beware of punks like I was, who amused myself on rare occasion by seeming to conceal an item for the purpose of stealing it, but either I didn't or I found a way to ditch it before I exited the store, & got the hand on the shoulder by security.

    I could put on a real show of righteous indignation for those around me -- my only public acting experience.

    I think I only started because I was annoyed by a guard following me like I was a shoplifter, when I had no intention of doing so. . . I figured I'd teach a lesson in assumption; I had so much fun performing I repeated on occasion throughout town.

    My dad reached a breaking point when I admitted that I lied to
    prevent my brother from a prolonged lashing. I ended up with
    significant cuts to my back that took weeks to heal. I think I
    was just 8yrs old at the time. Future beatings stopped after
    the results of my beatings leaked to the public one way or
    another.

    Somehow, eh?

    The rule used to be, for many, "What happens in the family home STAYS in the family home." which is perfectly fair until a line gets crossed & everybody knows what/where those lines are.

    I had my share of welts, but always only on my buttocks, unlike my parents' generation, who would get them across legs & back, as well. My dad explained that God put the extra cushioning on the rear end to facilitate loving discipline, without damaging the children.

    There's far too many horror stories out there! The community needs to step up and administer the needed belated discipline to certain people.

    How many of us would much pity the doing to a dog abuser the same misdeeds the dog received? One dog here in my town was found buried alive, after being beaten so badly, the face was torn, dog was half-blinded, & ribs were broken. . People like this are dangerous to the general public - this is how serial killers begin -- torturing/killing animals, before working their way up to children & women. Not too many work up to actual men of equivalent size.strength. (a pity)

    I don't want violent sociopaths in my city, when they can be identified as such.

    Prison &/or a work-camp in the Northwest Territories or anywhere else decent folk have no interest in working, until they've breathed their last breath.

    So tired of news stories like the time a car thief in Vancouver was released on a few weekends of using the ankle bracelet for house arrest after stealing his 2,000th car. My first thought was I wanted to check that judge's banking/spending history for the past few months.

    I'd've said, "Clearly you're not going to stop doing this crime with normal sentences of 6-18 months in provincial prisons, learning new tricks of your trade, so it's time to up the ante, & see if that'll make you reconsider your chosen vocation."

    Lots of options out there:
    Labour to repay our provincial insurer the money lost in paying off the claims for 2K stolen cars comes to mind.

    Let him walk around with his community with a sandwich board for the time normally given as jail time to a car thief, that says, "Beware; all I do is steal cars. Your car is not safe when I'm around."

    Some public shunning might help prevent a host of criminals from getting started.

    If you can't explain how you have income to live on satisfactorily, people should look elsewhere for backyard barbecue guests. . . Most acceptable being a J.O.B, of course; also acceptable
    -receiving a pension
    -having money in the bank &/or annuities/dividends.
    -receiving assistance funding temporarily while actively & honestly seeking new employment when unexpectedly laid off.

    I have far more respect for the 60-year-old alcoholic panhandling outside the liquor store, who greets people in a friendly manner & opens the door for those who are much-laden, than these 20-year-old panhandlers who sprawl on their backs across an entire sidewalk & DEMAND you "gimme some money."

    I get to know the homeless people in my community, & learn their stories; most have a reasonable reason for being on the streets; it's extremely rare to meet someone there by choice who isn't actively working to improve his/her circumstances.

    So you think public shaming is a good deterrent?

    Yup; we humans are a herd animal -- it hurts to be excluded from our fellowman.

    Currently, a guy chuckles how he "keeps the little lady in line with a few belts in the mouth" &the guys with him chuckle & agree he is doing right. Better if they stopped trying to "bro out" with a meatball, & just punch him right in the throat, & drop him from their circle.

    Make it a feel good choice to cooperate with one's
    community's police instead of a "look at me" infamy as
    they currently report it. . .
    I think the community of businesses (especially in a small
    town) spread the word on a suspect to watch out for.

    I know you're fully right there, & this helps, but as you note, mainly in small towns/communities. . .

    I'd like to see it go further & have businesses post the photos of those who have stolen or otherwise behaved improperly, in every window, in a section by the door, "These people are banned from this store for the crime noted under their photos." & as the rest of the public realize this is done to prevent unfairly penalizing all with price increases to cover for thefts & insurance, it'll be well praised & catch on elsewhere. . .

    Only my opinion/thoughts, but I might be right. . . or I could be wrong. . . Not for me to say--but for the greater communities' standards to prevail.

    Be well! Hope you're also starting to see lighter temperatures & weather as we phase into summer


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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to George Pope on Mon May 1 08:39:00 2023
    Hello George Pope!

    ** On Sunday 30.04.23 - 15:42, George Pope wrote to August Abolins:

    The best I could do is get passed the suspect and lock the door
    until the police arrive.

    Can you not perform a citizen's arrest of the shoplifter?

    I spoke up "Hey, stop.. theif!", that would only encourage them
    to exit the premises even faster. Not worth saying anything; I
    would be better off just getting to the door FIRST and go into
    lockown.


    But beware of punks like I was, who amused myself on rare
    occasion by seeming to conceal an item for the purpose of
    stealing it, but either I didn't or I found a way to ditch
    it before I exited the store, & got the hand on the
    shoulder by security.

    Ditching? So.. you'd just let whatever you took drop to the
    floor or something?


    I could put on a real show of righteous indignation for
    those around me -- my only public acting experience.

    How did you explain your actions to security?


    I think I only started because I was annoyed by a guard
    following me like I was a shoplifter, when I had no
    intention of doing so. . . I figured I'd teach a lesson
    in assumption; I had so much fun performing I repeated on
    occasion throughout town.

    A lot of people gather things from shops, even mine, when they
    are looking around. But the issue is when they use their coats
    or their own bags to carry. With the demise of shop-supplied
    plastic bags, this concern about self-supplied bags will be
    elevated.


    I had my share of welts, but always only on my buttocks,
    unlike my parents' generation, who would get them across
    legs & back, as well. My dad explained that God put the
    extra cushioning on the rear end to facilitate loving
    discipline, without damaging the children.

    I never heard the "extra cushioning" excuse. But I certainly
    never lay still for a lashing and as a result got the belt or
    willow branches anywhere where dad found a target.


    So tired of news stories like the time a car thief in
    Vancouver was released on a few weekends of using the
    ankle bracelet for house arrest after stealing his
    2,000th car. My first thought was I wanted to check that
    judge's banking/spending history for the past few months.

    I would think that most theives are either enticed to steal
    (for drugs or money) ..and therefore, don't have any money
    themselves. So, when they end up in front of a judge, a fine
    is pointless. The perp is simply let go.


    I'd've said, "Clearly you're not going to stop doing this
    crime with normal sentences of 6-18 months in provincial
    prisons, learning new tricks of your trade, so it's time
    to up the ante, & see if that'll make you reconsider your
    chosen vocation."

    I dunno.. perhaps commiting a crime is one way for a desparate homeless/druggie to get some shelter, even if it is in a jail.
    Further to that, wouldn't the jailed person be served food?


    Lots of options out there: Labour to repay our provincial
    insurer the money lost in paying off the claims for 2K
    stolen cars comes to mind.

    What kind of labour? One way people "on assistance" avoid
    employment is to "be unemployable" and they do that by avoiding
    hygiene.


    Let him walk around with his community with a sandwich
    board for the time normally given as jail time to a car
    thief, that says, "Beware; all I do is steal cars. Your
    car is not safe when I'm around."

    Human Rights people would be on that case in a minute.


    Some public shunning might help prevent a host of
    criminals from getting started.

    Better to just post an image of the perp on a bulletin board or
    shop window.


    I have far more respect for the 60-year-old alcoholic
    panhandling outside the liquor store, who greets people
    in a friendly manner & opens the door for those who are
    much-laden, than these 20-year-old panhandlers who sprawl
    on their backs across an entire sidewalk & DEMAND you
    "gimme some money."

    There are stories at the LCBO where people simply walk out with
    the goods, and the employees don't stop them.


    I get to know the homeless people in my community, & learn
    their stories; most have a reasonable reason for being on
    the streets; it's extremely rare to meet someone there by
    choice who isn't actively working to improve his/her
    circumstances.

    I know a few like that too, but maintaining employment does not
    seem to be their fort‚ nor interest.


    I'd like to see it go further & have businesses post the
    photos of those who have stolen or otherwise behaved
    improperly, in every window, in a section by the door,
    "These people are banned from this store for the crime
    noted under their photos." & as the rest of the public
    realize this is done to prevent unfairly penalizing all
    with price increases to cover for thefts & insurance,
    it'll be well praised & catch on elsewhere. . .

    Don't always have time to stop what I'm doing and try to snap a
    picture of someone in the act, and then produce posters. What I
    do now is disallow anyone carrying large hockey/sports bags
    and/or backpacks. They either have to leave them OUTSIDE or
    not come in at all.


    Be well! Hope you're also starting to see lighter
    temperatures & weather as we phase into summer

    It's been raining in my part of Ontario for 5 days straight.

    --
    ../|ug

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