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    From Daryl@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jun 17 13:02:16 2024
    On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934


    The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
    incident sounds like a bigger problem.


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  • From Daryl@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jun 17 20:09:29 2024
    On 17/6/2024 3:58 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

    The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

    Unless it was MCAS again

    the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

    Unless the first one was MCAS again

    Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to pilot error.

    "During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward
    on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded by
    the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and the
    plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of about
    4,400 feet a minute."

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    Daryl


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  • From Daryl@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Jun 18 09:33:42 2024
    On 18/6/2024 5:21 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

    The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

    ˙Unless it was MCAS again

    the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

    ˙Unless the first one was MCAS again

    Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to
    pilot error.

    But its far from clear how accurate that is given
    that there has not been a full investigation yet
    and its only what some journo is claiming.

    And it begs the question why he would do that.

    "During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward
    on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded
    by the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and
    the plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of
    about 4,400 feet a minute."

    And far from clear why he wouldnt have corrected that.


    It does seem like a very strange thing to happen if it was allegedly
    induced by one of the pilots, the investigation will be interesting.


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    Daryl


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  • From keithr0@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Jun 23 22:25:56 2024
    On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934


    The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
    incident sounds like a bigger problem.


    "Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either
    have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

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  • From David Lesher@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jun 24 04:51:52 2024
    keithr0 <user@account.invalid> writes:

    On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934


    The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
    incident sounds like a bigger problem.


    "Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either >have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

    The followup reports the rudder PDU was RIPPED from its mounting.
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  • From Daryl@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Jun 24 14:01:27 2024
    On 23/6/2024 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934


    The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
    incident sounds like a bigger problem.


    "Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

    I was referring to what they found after they landed and carried out an investigation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjdveYYBOJE&t=569s

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    Daryl


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