• Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum techn

    From Kragen Javier Sitaker@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 6 11:08:46 2026
    Subject: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> writes:
    On 9/6/26 04:42, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I think you have forgotten Bandygrams. There was never a time when
    everyone on Usenet was polite and reasonable. Knowledgeable, maybe.
    Kragen

    Since when do you know of usenet?

    I first posted to Usenet in 01992, but Bandygrams were in the early
    01980s. For a number of years, it was possible to read early Usenet via DejaNews and then Google Groups, but that does not work well anymore, so
    if you missed out on reading early 80s Usenet, it may be quite a while
    before you find out what a Bandygram is.

    Kragen

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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 6 23:14:54 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On 06/09/2026 10:08 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> writes:
    On 9/6/26 04:42, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I think you have forgotten Bandygrams. There was never a time when
    everyone on Usenet was polite and reasonable. Knowledgeable, maybe.
    Kragen

    Since when do you know of usenet?

    I first posted to Usenet in 01992, but Bandygrams were in the early

    Is this octal 01992? How do you have nines in octal numbers?

    01980s. For a number of years, it was possible to read early Usenet via DejaNews and then Google Groups, but that does not work well anymore, so
    if you missed out on reading early 80s Usenet, it may be quite a while
    before you find out what a Bandygram is.

    Kragen

    I believe I first posted to Usenet in the early 00s, but probably knew
    about it in the late 90s, just didn't have internet at home. By the
    time I first entered university, I guess I used the university's access
    to Usenet, which has probably been shut down since.

    Later on, I used the ISP Usenet access, which I guess is also gone, but
    then I've moved countries since, and now use a commercial Usenet access
    because ISPs no longer provide this service -- or at least, I've never
    seen any ISP advertise it here, nor have I checked.

    Point being, Usenet used to be a standard offering of ISPs where I came
    from, but isn't anymore, and certainly isn't standard here.


    Best wishes, and happy Usenet!
    --
    Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
    I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;

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  • From Peter Flass@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 6 08:20:17 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On 9/6/26 07:08, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> writes:
    On 9/6/26 04:42, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I think you have forgotten Bandygrams. There was never a time when
    everyone on Usenet was polite and reasonable. Knowledgeable, maybe.
    Kragen

    Since when do you know of usenet?

    I first posted to Usenet in 01992, but Bandygrams were in the early
    01980s. For a number of years, it was possible to read early Usenet via DejaNews and then Google Groups, but that does not work well anymore, so
    if you missed out on reading early 80s Usenet, it may be quite a while
    before you find out what a Bandygram is.

    Supposedly Google picked up all the posts from DejaNews,

    Craig - you might think you can't win, because no sooner do you offer
    this great service than we start pointing out problems, but, again,
    thank you!

    The way usenet is going this will probably soon be archive-only, because
    I see groups dropping out one by one.



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  • From Jeroen Belleman@3:633/10 to All on Sun Sep 6 20:09:05 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On 9/6/26 16:08, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> writes:
    On 9/6/26 04:42, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I think you have forgotten Bandygrams. There was never a time when
    everyone on Usenet was polite and reasonable. Knowledgeable, maybe.
    Kragen

    Since when do you know of usenet?

    I first posted to Usenet in 01992, but Bandygrams were in the early
    01980s. For a number of years, it was possible to read early Usenet via DejaNews and then Google Groups, but that does not work well anymore, so
    if you missed out on reading early 80s Usenet, it may be quite a while
    before you find out what a Bandygram is.

    Kragen

    I discovered usenet in 1983 or so. I still remember the kremvax
    prank. I'd never heard of bandygrams, so it must have been some
    niche phenomenon. Not that it matters.

    Usenet people *were* polite and benevolent in those days. It didn't
    last very long, is true. Even 'rn' had a kill file.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Tapiro Ubriaco@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 09:31:53 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:14:54 +0800, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:


    Point being, Usenet used to be a standard offering of ISPs where I came
    from, but isn't anymore, and certainly isn't standard here.

    I remember it being standard well into the 00s.
    IIRC, most commercial Italian ISPs (where I live) have dropped it sometime around 2010-2015.

    A loss.

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  • From Tapiro Ubriaco@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 09:33:56 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:09:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:


    Usenet people *were* polite and benevolent in those days. It didn't last
    very long, is true. Even 'rn' had a kill file.

    Have you tried, at least once, Facebook?

    And I'm not suggesting that you do.

    Just that if you'd made that mistake, your scale for "polite and
    benevolent" would end up readjusted in a way that would make the most
    toxic newsgroup look like tea with the Queen of England :-)

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 15:28:34 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On 9/21/26 11:33, Tapiro Ubriaco wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:09:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:


    Usenet people *were* polite and benevolent in those days. It didn't last
    very long, is true. Even 'rn' had a kill file.

    Have you tried, at least once, Facebook?

    And I'm not suggesting that you do.

    Just that if you'd made that mistake, your scale for "polite and
    benevolent" would end up readjusted in a way that would make the most
    toxic newsgroup look like tea with the Queen of England :-)

    You can't compare the present-day Facebook rabble with the
    early Usenet users. They aren't in the same league at all.

    I don't suppose you were around at the time. Discussions
    were interesting and informative. As I said, that didn't
    last very long.

    I've used Facebook in a corner where common decency was
    still the rule, but I found it messy and entirely unfit
    for purpose.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 16:02:13 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On 2026-09-21, Tapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:14:54 +0800, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

    Point being, Usenet used to be a standard offering of ISPs where I came
    from, but isn't anymore, and certainly isn't standard here.

    I remember it being standard well into the 00s.
    IIRC, most commercial Italian ISPs (where I live) have dropped it sometime around 2010-2015.

    A loss.

    Even worse, some hotel wi-fi connections block port 119.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
    / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.

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  • From Chris Abraham@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 12:22:01 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026, Tapiro Ubriaco wrote:
    Point being, Usenet used to be a standard offering of ISPs where I came
    from, but isn't anymore, and certainly isn't standard here.

    I remember it being standard well into the 00s.
    IIRC, most commercial Italian ISPs (where I live) have dropped it sometime around 2010-2015.

    A loss.

    I am back. Have not been here since the late 90s. Got a free account. Connected it to my Alpine install. And give it a go. I wonder if there
    will be a resurgence. Back in the day, I even created something like:

    alt.fan.chris-abraham
    alt.fan.chris.abraham

    Or something like that. I was nobody I just wanted to know if I could
    spawn it.

    https://9p.io/sources/contrib/sl/lib/newsgroups

    Cheers and hello again!

    Chris

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  • From Chris Abraham@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 12:27:26 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    You can't compare the present-day Facebook rabble with the
    early Usenet users. They aren't in the same league at all.
    Please excuse me shameless share: https://biznology.com/2014/06/successful-snss-modeled-college-campus/ Successful SNS?s should be modeled on the college campus (2014) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The future of Social Network Services (SNS) can be discovered on High
    School and College campuses. I believe that topic-specific ?vertical?
    SNS?s are very important, but I also think that the model needs to be University-like ? a modularized SNS. There needs to be a campus ?brand?
    (or University) within which the topic-specific ?clubs,? ?houses,? ?fraternities,? ?dorms,? and ?interest groups? can interact ? somewhere
    where crossovers, cross-fertilization, and aggregation are encouraged ?
    no, needs ? to happen. I hate SNS sites like cardomain.com ? a site
    devoted to your favorite cars ? because I am not JUST a car guy.
    I am a car guy for sure but I am also interested in motorcycling, rowing, training, running, in biking, in Thomas Pynchon, and in talk radio ? CarDoimain might be successful in the short term, but in the long-term,
    the real power would come from creating a open, creative, resource-rich platform/campus/university/high school and maybe create a school of engineering, a liberal arts school, a law school, a dining hall, and so
    forth, but then allow the SNS to find itself.
    Facebook, Google+, reddit, and even Twitter does a beautiful job of doing this, incidentally, allowing both the big tent generalist socialization
    and connection while also really being able to break into departments,
    clubs, and little hidy-holes where you can enjoy an ad hoc get together
    with friends and co-conspirators.
    To allow the SNS and its members to find their own voice, their own
    interests, and their own passions ? which may well be very different from
    what is first assumed by the creator. Google gets this, though not yet
    within the construct of the SNS?s. What Google did do successfully was to
    buy USENET ? the original newsgroups ? and then build an superstructure on
    top of that ? make it modern, sustainable, durable, and more readable.
    Google returned USENET to relevance in a world that considered newsgroups
    and IRC to be dead or dying. Each and every one of communities on USENET
    is amazingly vertical, but they could all back up and back out to the
    larger USENET community ? to the equivalent of the ?welcome new students? meetings and gatherings colleges offer to entering Freshmen.
    Communities that are too vertical tend to shoe horn the ?general topics? conversations into hidden ?off topic? eddies. That is just the opposite of what should be done. The conversation should be general,
    cross-pollinating, and then move, after a conversation starts, into
    another room.
    Start with an amazing platform, collect users, listen and watch them to
    see how they?re playing with the software application objects, widgets,
    and tools (are they playing with the toy or the box?), and then build for
    the users base, withholding judgment. reddit is a case study for this:
    start small, grow organically, and allow your members to find themselves.
    The developers of reddit realized that after initial vertical growth based
    on the general members of Digg, kuro5hin, and Slashdot (techie, geeky,
    teens, boys), reddit would suffer from the same sort of vulnerabilities
    that Digg suffered when it didn?t evolve and grow and broaden itself past ?News for nerds. Stuff that matters.?
    People love talking about Linux, but when happens when the Dow drops or
    the elections come? Where will the conversation happen? Where is the
    ?kitchen? at the party where every eventually goes to just talk about
    general interest stuff? Unless there are opportunities to express and
    share so-called ?off-topic? conversation right there, within the community
    in which members are already committed, with members to whom they?re
    already committed, then they are bound to go elsewhere.
    Starting small and allowing the community to design itself is much
    different than starting big and losing one?s focus. Other mistakes happen
    when community builders make assumptions as to what participants, members,
    and lurkers want. Another mistake is putting a wall up around the
    community so that non-members cannot get a full feeling for the community
    from without.
    The best SNS?s, virtual worlds, and online communities are honeypots. By honeypot, I am not suggesting, ?a server that is configured to detect an intruder by mirroring a real production system. It appears as an ordinary server doing work, but all the data and transactions are phony. Located
    either in or outside the firewall, the honeypot is used to learn about an intruder?s techniques as well as determine vulnerabilities in the real system.? Although I am, sort of. The best SNS needs to be appealing, attractive, sweet, and compelling. Community-builders and SNS ASP
    developers need to be willing learn about member techniques, interests, processes, and needs, as well as determine ?vulnerabilities? in the SNS platform that may repel, turn off, or limit the evolution and growth of
    the community.
    To channel Chauncey Gardener for a second, one must do whatever one must
    to make sure that the earth in the garden is moist and well fed, one must
    seed well and completely, one must keep the garden in sun and water, one
    must encourage the garden to grow as it will for only in its growth will
    the garden be successful, and then, after rigorous growth, pruning and
    weeding must be done, only in order to allow the garden to be healthy, not
    to turn the garden into topiary. Okay, I am done.
    reddit allows all of these things. reddit is perfectly useful and
    compelling even as an alien, but it is way more fun and interesting when you?re a citizen, that?s for sure. An SNS community needs to be as
    attractive as possible because exclusivity is no longer essential or even valuable. What is valuable is ?useful,? ?interesting,? and ?authentic.?
    They also have to have community buy-in and the best enjoy a certain
    fanatical devotion. Just like the best Universities and Colleges.
    And reddit allowed its member to tell it when it was time to evolve past
    tech and geek news. reddit did not limit its scope or define itself too tightly with being ?gear for geeks? or ?news for nerds.? That would have ultimately been the death of reddit.
    What the best Universities (such as Yale) understand is that it is not the student who is blessed and honored by being accepted by a top college
    (Yale College) but rather it is the college that should be blessed and
    honored (and should be grateful) that such a quality student is accepting
    its offers and actually attending ? choosing ? their particular school:
    Yale instead of Princeton, Brown, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Dartmouth, Stanford, Columbia, Berkeley, etc?
    Harvard, too, is aware that although in the short-term Harvard makes the Harvard Man, over the long term, it is Harvard Men who made Harvard and continue to make Harvard. ?Who have you graduated recently?? Unless the quality and character of its students and alumni remain top-drawer,
    Harvard is not guaranteed its position as ?top three? in USA Today
    alongside Princeton and Yale. No matter how grand its endowment.
    So, Harvard and Yale spoil their students rotten! My friends who attended Harvard or Yale college swoon over those 4 years like I swoon over my
    first love.
    Likewise, SNS?s, virtual worlds, and virtual communities need to realize
    that at any one point, their brand is only as good as the collective that
    is manifest in the users, the members, the lurkers, the stewards, and the alumni of the property.
    This isn?t only true in SNS?s. The same thing can be said of the most successful message boards and online communities. The most important distinction, I think, is that all of these ?rooms? and all of these
    ?clubs? and all of these spaces where (and are) defined and created by the communities themselves. Sui generis. And this sort of ownership ? ?for us
    by us,? as the slogan goes over as Howard Rheingold?s Brainstorms
    community ? should never be underestimated.
    The Well has Howard Rheingold as a member and alumnus, for example, and
    the credibility of all that he has made and done; over time, more and more virtual communities, virtual worlds, and SNS will be known for their
    members as well: who studies, who studied, and who wants to join.
    ?What?s in it for me? (WIIFM) and the concept of pride of ownership are important ? essential ? ingredients of a sustainable, deep, thriving, and healthy community. The success Facebook is that the verticals are not
    (were not) defined for them by their grand architects ? they are self-creating, self-forming, and also self-destructing. They form, reform, mutate and disperse after they hit a limit of general conversation and
    then either break off and reform into an ?interest group? or ?club? or
    they self-check and work to ?get back on topic.?
    SNS?s and communities in general tend to be formed in one of two ways:
    like Paris or like London. Intelligence Design (architecture) or Emergent Design. The later never looks very beautiful or the way people ? or the creators, investors, and architects ? expect (or want) it to look, because investors and designers tend to not be able to control it ? and when they
    do try to impost order, often in a heavy-handed way, they also tend to
    scare off all of their members, too.
    This organic revolution has proven its success online time and time again.
    The Internet does not respond (well or at all) to command and control. The smartest Web 2.0 platforms allow the ?masses of asses? (yes, the customer; yes, us) to define the platform and the experience ? their own and
    collective environment and experience.
    Facebook does this amazingly well. Friendster and MySpace suffered from a vision and used command and control tactics to try to coerce its users
    that ?it didn?t really want to do things that way? and Friendster members abandoned in droves to platforms and experiences not so monitored by ?mom
    and dad.?
    A command and control grand vision doesn?t work when you develop an environment that needs to be truly both attractive and compelling much
    more than it needs to be informational or instructional. An SNS needs to
    be attractive, diversional, compelling, amusing, and entertaining ? never limiting.
    My analogy of college and high school never mentioned classrooms or
    classes for training or learning. People do enough of that at school and
    at work. An SNS needs to give its users a university campus without any expectations or concepts of dropping out, getting judged, doing homework,
    or being held accountable for anything.
    A good SNS should be all late-night wine-influenced discussions of
    Descartes and Plato and the summer afternoons on the quad and the time
    playing Xbox with your roommates.
    When I go onto my long-term online communities, the Well, The Meta
    Network, USENET, and Brainstorms, there are many very deep and very
    vertical communities, discussing things as frivolous as fashion and video games and as deep as how to survive cancer, how to get a post doc grant,
    and very deep discussions on ?spirit,? ?chaos theory,? and ?world
    politics.?
    What makes this amazing and sustainable is that there are an infinite
    number of ways to get along, to move into a space of intense conversation,
    and then to pull back into common areas, just to see who?s around. In a university setting, this could be the dining hall, the quad, the commons,
    etc. These spaces are very important.
    If you think about all of this in terms of evolution, then we can think
    about the way things evolve in the most perverse ways when isolated from others of its kinds. So, if there are impervious walls ? gaps or voids, mountains or ridges ? between these vertical markets, SNS?s, and
    communities, then there may be an initial success, but there can also be a terrible volatility. One plague or drought can decimate a population completely.
    Having a commons allows members and visitors to have a place to meet new people, have new experiences, and learn of new clubs, new opportunities,
    and new places ? inbreeding versus crossbreeding. Ultimately, a diversity
    of visitors helps build a more resilient, invested, and self-identifying community. They will become ?students for life? at best and proud alums at worst. They will carry the brand awareness, even if their lives become too busy to participate any more.
    They will become life long brand ambassadors for your community. Proud
    alumni.
    And, in terms of ?viral marketing,? it is also important when it comes to
    a member of an SNS ?inviting his friends? ? not all of my friends have the same vertical interests that I do? They could have very different
    interests ? but as I explore the ?commons? of an SNS, I can note that
    there are things happening online that ?friend x? and ?friend y? would
    love, and that would be my incentive to invite them on board.
    I am the only person I know in my entire community ? that is not true, my buddy has an Audi S4 ? who is into cars. My buddy is an Audi driver and I
    am a BMW driver. Does that mean we?re both drivers? Does that mean we love cars or our particular car? Do we cross over on performance sedans? On
    German cars? On luxury cars?
    You have to offer the tools to allow the market to choose for itself, otherwise, you might never find out that the SNS needs all three, or none
    at all.
    A ?Modularized SNS? should be neutral like a university (unlike MySpace,
    which is pretty pre-defined as to what the demographic is), and there are
    lots of ?vertical niche SNS?s? (e.g. car enthusiasts, gourmet cooking,
    travel, Rolex fans, Republican politicos, etc.) That way, everyone can
    form a SNS experience that actually fits them by modularly assembling the groups of people who have similar interests, (not just friends-in-common!)
    Got it? Go git ?em, Tiger!


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  • From Chris Abraham@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 12:28:51 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    Even worse, some hotel wi-fi connections block port 119.

    I am running my USENET client on a Digital Oceans droplet that I reach
    through Alpine. Really old school. Let the droplet proxy 119. This is
    really new to me but I am loving it.

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  • From s|b@3:633/10 to All on Mon Sep 21 20:53:12 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 09:31:53 -0000 (UTC), Tapiro Ubriaco wrote:

    I remember it being standard well into the 00s.
    IIRC, most commercial Italian ISPs (where I live) have dropped it sometime around 2010-2015.

    I learned about Usenet through the university servers somewhere in 1998.

    I got on Belgian cable (Telenet) in 2000. They had their own newsserver
    and even some internal pandora.* newsgroups. Users used to post binaries locally which didn't count as up/download.

    They ended this service on Dec 31 2011 claiming 'the Telenet Usenet
    Service was outdated/obsolete and that there were alternatives (Google Groups)'. A more likely reason was the upl/download of (illegal)
    binaries through their newsservers. By the end of each month everybody
    started up/downloading en masse and you could notice the speed going
    down. Good times. (-:

    --
    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    - Julius Caesar

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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 00:39:31 2026
    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 12:27:26 -0400, Chris Abraham wrote:

    Please excuse me shameless share: https://biznology.com/2014/06/successful-snss-modeled-college-campus/

    Successful SNS?s should be modeled on the college campus (2014) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The future of Social Network Services (SNS) can be discovered on
    High School and College campuses. I believe that topic-specific
    ?vertical? SNS?s are very important, but I also think that the model
    needs to be University-like ? a modularized SNS.

    Anybody remember CoSy, from the 1980s? From the University of Guelph?
    BYTE magazine were using it for their online forums.

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  • From Joed Oakes@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 10:35:12 2026
    On 9/21/26 20:39, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 12:27:26 -0400, Chris Abraham wrote:

    Please excuse me shameless share:
    https://biznology.com/2014/06/successful-snss-modeled-college-campus/

    Anybody remember CoSy, from the 1980s? From the University of Guelph?
    BYTE magazine were using it for their online forums.

    Not sure of the timeframe, but I seem to recall accessing something from
    Byte using the "Byte Information Exchange" (BIX) in what I believe was
    the late 1980s. Was this actually CoSy ???

    Boy the memory gets hazy after 40 years...

    --
    "Build a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and
    he's warm for the rest of his life."

    - Terry Pratchett, Discworld

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  • From Anton Antimo@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 12:05:16 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes:

    On 06/09/2026 10:08 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> writes:
    On 9/6/26 04:42, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I think you have forgotten Bandygrams. There was never a time when
    everyone on Usenet was polite and reasonable. Knowledgeable, maybe.
    Kragen

    Since when do you know of usenet?
    I first posted to Usenet in 01992, but Bandygrams were in the early

    Is this octal 01992? How do you have nines in octal numbers?

    It can't be octal, right? Could it be that Kragen Javier Sitaker is
    reserving a digit place for when we reach year 10000? That can't be.
    But it would be amusing.

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  • From Anton Antimo@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 12:06:19 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

    On 2026-09-21, Tapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:14:54 +0800, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

    Point being, Usenet used to be a standard offering of ISPs where I came
    from, but isn't anymore, and certainly isn't standard here.

    I remember it being standard well into the 00s.
    IIRC, most commercial Italian ISPs (where I live) have dropped it sometime >> around 2010-2015.

    A loss.

    Even worse, some hotel wi-fi connections block port 119.

    That's ridiculous. They're probably blocking a long range of ports that
    119 falls in.

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  • From Anton Antimo@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 12:44:48 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    Tapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com> writes:

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:09:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:


    Usenet people *were* polite and benevolent in those days. It didn't last
    very long, is true. Even 'rn' had a kill file.

    Have you tried, at least once, Facebook?

    And I'm not suggesting that you do.

    Just that if you'd made that mistake, your scale for "polite and
    benevolent" would end up readjusted in a way that would make the most
    toxic newsgroup look like tea with the Queen of England :-)

    Funny---I would think otherwise. I'd think the anonymity of USENET is
    (on average) what allows for the rudeness, but what do I know?

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  • From Dennis Boone@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 16:27:01 2026
    Anybody remember CoSy, from the 1980s? From the University of Guelph?
    BYTE magazine were using it for their online forums.

    Not sure of the timeframe, but I seem to recall accessing something from Byte using the "Byte Information Exchange" (BIX) in what I believe was
    the late 1980s. Was this actually CoSy ???

    Yes, BIX was a CoSy installation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoSy

    De

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 17:00:22 2026
    Subject: Re: Usent history (was Re: This tiny gold crystal could bring quantum technology out of the deep freeze)

    On 2026-09-22, Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> wrote:

    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

    On 2026-09-21, Tapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 23:14:54 +0800, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

    Point being, Usenet used to be a standard offering of ISPs where I came >>>> from, but isn't anymore, and certainly isn't standard here.

    I remember it being standard well into the 00s.
    IIRC, most commercial Italian ISPs (where I live) have dropped it sometime >>> around 2010-2015.

    A loss.

    Even worse, some hotel wi-fi connections block port 119.

    That's ridiculous. They're probably blocking a long range of ports that
    119 falls in.

    You're no doubt right. That's more the way a security nazi would think.
    Still, it makes it a pain in the ass when you're on the road.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
    / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.

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  • From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 07:16:38 2026
    Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
    Anybody remember CoSy, from the 1980s? From the University of Guelph?
    BYTE magazine were using it for their online forums.

    Aug1976, TYMSHARE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare
    start offering their VM370/CMS-based computer conferencing system free
    to the IBM mainframe users group, SHARE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)

    archives here:
    http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare

    I had cut a deal with TYMSHARE to get monthly tape dump of all VMSHARE
    files for putting up on IBM internal systems and network. Later when MD
    bought TYMSHARE, the SHARE organization had to come up with a way of
    rehosting the service.

    --
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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 21:00:29 2026
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 07:16:38 -1000, Lynn Wheeler wrote:

    Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    Anybody remember CoSy, from the 1980s? From the University of
    Guelph? BYTE magazine were using it for their online forums.

    Aug1976, TYMSHARE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare
    start offering their VM370/CMS-based computer conferencing system free
    to the IBM mainframe users group, SHARE

    How did it compare to CoSy?

    Knowing IBM, it was probably pretty clunky to use ...

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  • From Lynn Wheeler@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 22 13:15:31 2026

    Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
    Aug1976, TYMSHARE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare
    start offering their VM370/CMS-based computer conferencing system free
    to the IBM mainframe users group, SHARE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)

    archives here:
    http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare


    TYMSHARE beginnings:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare#Beginnings

    Other TYMSHARE:

    Ann Hardy https://medium.com/chmcore/someone-elses-computer-the-prehistory-of-cloud-computing-bca25645f89

    Ann Hardy is a crucial figure in the story of Tymshare and
    time-sharing. She began programming in the 1950s, developing software
    for the IBM Stretch supercomputer. Frustrated at the lack of opportunity
    and pay inequality for women at IBM -- at one point she discovered she
    was paid less than half of what the lowest-paid man reporting to her was
    paid -- Hardy left to study at the University of California, Berkeley,
    and then joined the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 1962. At
    the lab, one of her projects involved an early and surprisingly
    successful time-sharing operating system.

    Ann Hardy at Computer History Museum https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102717167

    Ann rose up to become Vice President of the Integrated Systems Division
    at Tymshare, from 1976 to 1984, which did online airline reservations,
    home banking, and other applications. When Tymshare was acquired by McDonnell-Douglas in 1984, Ann's position as a female VP became
    untenable, and was eased out of the company by being encouraged to spin
    out Gnosis, a secure, capabilities-based operating system developed at Tymshare. Ann founded Key Logic, with funding from Gene Amdahl, which
    produced KeyKOS, based on Gnosis, for IBM and Amdahl mainframes. After
    closing Key Logic, Ann became a consultant, leading to her cofounding
    Agorics with members of Ted Nelson's Xanadu project

    ... snip ...

    ... trivia: 1984, I was brought in to do the evaluation of Gnosis as
    part of the spin-off

    GNOSIS: A Prototype Operating System for the 1990's http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/Gnosis/Gnosis.html

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  • From Kurt Weiske@3:633/10 to Charlie Gibbs on Thu Sep 24 07:44:38 2026
    To: Charlie Gibbs
    Charlie Gibbs wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-

    That's ridiculous. They're probably blocking a long range of ports that
    119 falls in.

    You're no doubt right. That's more the way a security nazi would
    think. Still, it makes it a pain in the ass when you're on the road.

    Did I ever tell you about the time my company decided to route the
    entire 10.0.0.0 network through the VPN? There was *no* possibility
    anyone else was using that range internally!

    kurt weiske | kweiske at realitycheckbbs dot org
    | http://realitycheckbbs.org
    | 1:218/700@fidonet




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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Thu Sep 24 23:30:15 2026
    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 07:44:38 -0700, Kurt Weiske wrote:

    Did I ever tell you about the time my company decided to route the
    entire 10.0.0.0 network through the VPN? There was *no* possibility
    anyone else was using that range internally!

    Stick your own routing function? on the front, so only the parts you?re
    not using go through to their VPN.

    ?Notice I said ?routing function?, not ?router?. It doesn?t have to be
    a separate box, just a set of rules in your packet filter.

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