• torn ACLs [was Re: Don Norman: The Truth About Unix]

    From Rich Alderson@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 15 14:58:08 2026
    Anthk <anthk@disroot.org> writes:

    On 2026-02-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    A patch was submitted some years ago to add Windows-style ACL features
    to Linux, but it was rejected on the grounds that they can too often
    produce surprising and counterintuitive effects. Which is something
    that Windows sysadmins would be all too familiar with ...

    Linux had optional ACL's in FS since late 90's at least.

    Access control lists were a feature of TOPS-20 in the 1980s.

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    Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 15 20:27:35 2026
    Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
    Anthk <anthk@disroot.org> writes:

    On 2026-02-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    A patch was submitted some years ago to add Windows-style ACL features
    to Linux, but it was rejected on the grounds that they can too often
    produce surprising and counterintuitive effects. Which is something
    that Windows sysadmins would be all too familiar with ...

    Linux had optional ACL's in FS since late 90's at least.

    Access control lists were a feature of TOPS-20 in the 1980s.

    They were a features of the Burroughs MCP in the 1960s
    (called Guard Files).


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  • From Rich Alderson@3:633/10 to All on Thu Apr 16 20:32:13 2026
    scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

    Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:

    Anthk <anthk@disroot.org> writes:

    On 2026-02-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    A patch was submitted some years ago to add Windows-style ACL features >>>> to Linux, but it was rejected on the grounds that they can too often
    produce surprising and counterintuitive effects. Which is something
    that Windows sysadmins would be all too familiar with ...

    Linux had optional ACL's in FS since late 90's at least.

    Access control lists were a feature of TOPS-20 in the 1980s.

    They were a features of the Burroughs MCP in the 1960s (called Guard Files).

    Thus demonstrating once again that Everything Old Is new Again, or vice versa...

    --
    Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
    Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
    omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
    --Galen

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