• Re: Floppies

    From Kerr-Mudd, John@3:633/10 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Sep 16 13:53:10 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
    From: admin@127.0.0.1

    On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 12:44:31 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-09-15 22:51, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 16:51:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On the other hand, there was a plethora of incompatible
    5 1/4" formats (at least before IBM steamrolled them), making it
    difficult to exchange data back in the days when there was a lot of
    diversity. At least without specialized hardware - our computer club
    had a special floppy controller known as the Disk Maker, an S-100 card
    which could handle 400 different 5 1/4" formats.

    I had a CP/M utility that could read quite a few formats that were created with the Western Digital floppy controllers but no where near 400
    flavors.

    On the PC the format was handled in software (BIOS or even userland), so
    I understand that the number of formats it can handle is infinite.

    CopyRite was the DOS prog to read anything, IIRC

    xpost to afc, dropping aeu

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to John on Tue Sep 16 19:09:38 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
    From: robin_listas@es.invalid

    On 2025-09-16 14:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 12:44:31 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-09-15 22:51, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 16:51:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On the other hand, there was a plethora of incompatible
    5 1/4" formats (at least before IBM steamrolled them), making it
    difficult to exchange data back in the days when there was a lot of
    diversity. At least without specialized hardware - our computer club
    had a special floppy controller known as the Disk Maker, an S-100 card >>>> which could handle 400 different 5 1/4" formats.

    I had a CP/M utility that could read quite a few formats that were created >>> with the Western Digital floppy controllers but no where near 400
    flavors.

    On the PC the format was handled in software (BIOS or even userland), so
    I understand that the number of formats it can handle is infinite.

    CopyRite was the DOS prog to read anything, IIRC

    Yes, I remember that program.


    xpost to afc, dropping aeu



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  • From Waldek Hebisch@3:633/10 to John on Tue Sep 16 20:29:20 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
    From: antispam@fricas.org

    In alt.folklore.computers Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 12:44:31 +0200
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-09-15 22:51, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 16:51:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On the other hand, there was a plethora of incompatible
    5 1/4" formats (at least before IBM steamrolled them), making it
    difficult to exchange data back in the days when there was a lot of
    diversity. At least without specialized hardware - our computer club
    had a special floppy controller known as the Disk Maker, an S-100 card
    which could handle 400 different 5 1/4" formats.

    I had a CP/M utility that could read quite a few formats that were created >> > with the Western Digital floppy controllers but no where near 400
    flavors.

    On the PC the format was handled in software (BIOS or even userland), so
    I understand that the number of formats it can handle is infinite.

    CopyRite was the DOS prog to read anything, IIRC

    xpost to afc, dropping aeu

    On PC-s there was hardware floppy controller. Software could
    configure it for various formats, but it was less general that
    software-only floppy handling. My understanding is that Amiga
    could easily write floppies in a format that was impossible to
    read using PC floppy controller.

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    Waldek Hebisch

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:633/10 to Waldek Hebisch on Tue Sep 16 20:39:55 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
    From: cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid

    On 2025-09-16, Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote:

    On PC-s there was hardware floppy controller. Software could
    configure it for various formats, but it was less general that
    software-only floppy handling. My understanding is that Amiga
    could easily write floppies in a format that was impossible to
    read using PC floppy controller.

    It not only could but did as a matter of course. Amiga-formatted
    floppies held 880K; the Amiga read and wrote an entire track at a
    time, so it really cut back on intersector gaps.

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    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to Waldek Hebisch on Wed Sep 17 11:05:05 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
    From: tnp@invalid.invalid

    On 16/09/2025 21:29, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
    On PC-s there was hardware floppy controller.

    Wasn't it originally a separate card?
    You bought floppies and a controller card.

    I see from ebay listings that indeed it was a separate card.

    IIRC everything was a separate card then - the video, the serial or
    parallel port, floppy drives, hard drives.

    All that was built in to the motherboard was a keyboard port.


    >Software could
    configure it for various formats, but it was less general that
    software-only floppy handling. My understanding is that Amiga
    could easily write floppies in a format that was impossible to
    read using PC floppy controller.

    I suspect that was true.


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    the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
    authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    Frédéric Bastiat

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@3:633/10 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Sep 17 22:18:28 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc
    From: ldo@nz.invalid

    On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 11:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 16/09/2025 21:29, Waldek Hebisch wrote:

    On PC-s there was hardware floppy controller.

    Wasn't it originally a separate card?
    You bought floppies and a controller card.

    I see from ebay listings that indeed it was a separate card.

    IIRC everything was a separate card then - the video, the serial or
    parallel port, floppy drives, hard drives.

    All that was built in to the motherboard was a keyboard port.

    On Apple IIs, all there was was a simple modem chip on the motherboard.
    All the rest was done in driver software.

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