The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process,
but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they
had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it. Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to
to get stuff working'
Fun days.
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they
had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to
to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group watching.
In then there were the PPP plugfests. For years, I kept a T-shirt that
said "I can PPP". And someone from PacBell pointed out the woman who was
the real life inspiration for "Alice" in Dilbert.
Some of the people were truly amazing. Some weird shit was happening
behind the scenes. A guy in Finland built an anonymous remailer (double-blind). Many government agencies did not like it, but could not persuade the Finns to stop it. Eventually Milo told the network people
at Helsinki University, that if they did not get him out, Finland would disappear from the Internet. 24 hours later that particular problem
was gone - permanently.
On 25/08/2025 11:03 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they >>>> had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to >>> to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
On 25/08/2025 11:03 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote:
The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >>>> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they >>>> had working code, published open standards before patents could be
filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards.
On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to
your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see'
'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it.
Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to >>> to get stuff working'
Fun days.
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
On 25/08/2025 11:03 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the >>> late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA >>> guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
DAGS: "Shall we play a game?"
For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very
busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got
to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the
late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA
guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group
watching.
"Global Thermonuclear War" .... I was about to post that I had played
that at some time .... but then I remembered that wasn't that the
storyline behind a film way back then .... some kids, somehow, got
connected to the U.S. ICBM Control Computer and launched WWIII whilst
they thought they were just playing a game??
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