• Re: General Thoughts ...

    From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 06:32:56 2025
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:24:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I
    have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an old
    friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things I
    could not do, not confortable with it.

    Kobo took the decision early on that the US market was too competitive and >concentrated on the rest of the world. I've seen estimates that Kobo has >around 3% of the US market. I think they were tied in with Borders but >Borders went under long ago so that didn't help.

    Walmart currently sells Kobos (on-line, anyway). I have three
    Kobo ClaraHD (two active, the third didn't survive being run over).

    They replaced a first generation Nook.

    Simple, clean, responsive.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 07:18:01 2025
    On 2025-05-05 20:43, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:24:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I
    have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an old
    friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things I
    could not do, not confortable with it.

    Kobo took the decision early on that the US market was too competitive and concentrated on the rest of the world. I've seen estimates that Kobo has around 3% of the US market. I think they were tied in with Borders but Borders went under long ago so that didn't help.

    I bought my first reader from them during a visit to Ottawa, at the
    Chapters shop there. A relative recommended me to get that one (Kobo
    Touch) instead of a Kindle. Kobo at the time was independent, now it
    belongs to Rakuten.

    While they were independent, they had responsive support via email. Very
    nice.

    I had to replace the battery on it once, purchased from a Chinese
    vendor. Recently I saw they had colour, and bought a Kobo Libra colour.
    It is not as a tablet, but suffices. They promised that maintenance will
    be available.


    For the US Kindle is the giant, Nook a very distant second, and Apple
    books almost as weak as Kobo.

    I've had several generations of Kindles, with the first having standalone
    3G capability. That really worked out well for me in an unintended way.
    I'd been on dialup but when reading on the Kindle I saw it had connected
    to the Verizon network. That opened a new possibility and I was at the Verizon store the next day to get one of their wi-fi hotspots. I'm still using wireless since the only other option is satellite.

    Curious.

    The Kobo Touch has wifi, but with a bug: it forgets the credentials easily.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 07:23:15 2025
    On 2025-05-05 20:14, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:27:57 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-05 08:56, rbowman wrote:

    ...

    I have very mixed feelings about Amazon. It impacts local businesses.
    On the other hand this is a small market and the local businesses don't
    have that great a selection. They may be able to special order
    something and I'll get it eventually, or I can go to Amazon and it will
    be on the deck in a couple of days.

    Yeah, me too. I use it for things I can not find locally. I prefer
    buying on a real shop, but sometimes it is very difficult to find what I
    want.

    I have had shops tell me outright that they could order an item but I knew where to buy it online too. The most bizarre one was the Barnes & Noble brick and mortar bookstore. They would order a book for me and when it arrived it would be full list price. I could order the same book from B&N online, get 10% off, and free shipping directly to me. Great business
    plan.

    I like to go to to a brick and mortar bookstore, as you say. But at
    purchase time, I'd like to buy them in epub format. They tell you to do
    that at their online shop.

    This is ridiculous. I want to award the good people of the bookstore
    that did the effort of showing me new books for me to look. Buying
    online tells the management the wrong picture.

    ....

    --
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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 07:25:46 2025
    On 2025-05-05 19:52, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:18:05 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-04 23:33, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 14:13:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On the second one, I do my searches, and I never login. I search
    anonymously. They can not email me. If I share a link, or open a link, >>>> they can not email me about it.

    That’s good for maintaining multiple identities. If you don’t want to >>> maintain a persistent identity with an associated browsing/searching
    history at all, then you could use private browsing.

    Well, on my default Firefox I do not login to Google. When I want to
    login, I use a dedicated profile.

    It really isn't too good but I go to news.google.com mornings for a quick summary. There is a feature where you can say you never want to see
    stories from the Daily Mail for example. Obviously that only works if
    you're logged into google. If I am not logged in the selection of links
    tends to be sources I've blocked. Many of those like NYT are paywalled or require a sign in. I don't need to waste time being redirected to a site
    that won't let me read the article.

    Being fond of conspiracy theories I wouldn't be surprised if money changes hands for google's news aggregator to favor sites that are selling subscriptions.

    I do that on the phone, so they know what news I like, they profile me.
    When I get to a pay wall, I report it, and the item disappears.
    Everybody should do that.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 07:28:16 2025
    On 2025-05-05 20:49, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:34:26 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    But even having cash on the Gran Apagn day and you had trouble to
    purchase things, because the cash register machines were down. They
    could not look up the price of things in supermarkets.

    I was at the supermarket, my items checked out and bagged, standing there with a $20 bill when their computer system crashed. The cashier had seen
    the total on the screen before it crashed but couldn't complete the transaction. I wasn't in a hurry and the system rebooted in about 5
    minutes but much longer and I would have abandoned my lunch purchases.

    fwiw, as the terminal started up it was apparent it was Windows :)

    That hasn't happened to me :-D

    There was a crash one day of the card system. People were stuck on the motorways, couldn't pay.

    --
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  • From Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 08:45:07 2025
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 14:13:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-03 07:22, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 01:20:28 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
    Software wrote:

    I've seen UIs that were SO wrong. It's like no one ever stopped to
    think "what are people going to want to do with this think. Then
    there's sheer maliciousness - Amazon Prime had a pretty smooth
    ordering process, but now they've apparently inserted a layer between
    ordering and checkout to ask "do you want to consider ordering any of
    these groceries?" If I wanted groceries, I'd order groceries, you
    blockheads!

    Some of their 'you might be interested' things are over the top. I do
    let myself in for that since I often will use a Amazon link to describe
    a product. Just because I want to share a smile about a litter box
    monitor doesn't mean I want to buy one.

    I use a trick to avoid that.

    In Firefox default profile, I prohibit Amazon cookies.

    Then I have two separate profiles:

    firefox -P Amazon &

    firefox -P AmazonSearch --no-remote &


    The first one has my login, and they know my email. I never search
    there, nor open any product or link.

    On the second one, I do my searches, and I never login. I search
    anonymously. They can not email me. If I share a link, or open a link,
    they can not email me about it.

    When I locate what to buy, I copy the bare link (extras removed from the
    URL) to the first window.

    I use the same trick with some other sites, too.


    The funny thing is Amazon sending me emails "you might be interested in" things that I already bought, so I don't have further interests.

    If there's something I REALLY don't want to be bugged about I use
    DuckDuckGo, which seems to work well. I don't know why I haven't switched
    to it for everything.

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  • From Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 08:50:45 2025
    On 5 May 2025 18:43:26 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:24:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I
    have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an
    old friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things
    I could not do, not confortable with it.

    Kobo took the decision early on that the US market was too competitive
    and concentrated on the rest of the world. I've seen estimates that Kobo
    has around 3% of the US market. I think they were tied in with Borders
    but Borders went under long ago so that didn't help.

    For the US Kindle is the giant, Nook a very distant second, and Apple
    books almost as weak as Kobo.

    I've had several generations of Kindles, with the first having
    standalone 3G capability. That really worked out well for me in an
    unintended way. I'd been on dialup but when reading on the Kindle I saw
    it had connected to the Verizon network. That opened a new possibility
    and I was at the Verizon store the next day to get one of their wi-fi hotspots. I'm still using wireless since the only other option is
    satellite.

    I've still got my original Kindle, a first- or second-gen model with an
    actual keyboard. Amazing it still works, but I like it because it's so
    small and light, and has terrific battery life.

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  • From Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 08:54:13 2025
    On 5 May 2025 18:14:43 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:27:57 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-05 08:56, rbowman wrote:

    ...

    I have very mixed feelings about Amazon. It impacts local businesses.
    On the other hand this is a small market and the local businesses
    don't have that great a selection. They may be able to special order
    something and I'll get it eventually, or I can go to Amazon and it
    will be on the deck in a couple of days.

    Yeah, me too. I use it for things I can not find locally. I prefer
    buying on a real shop, but sometimes it is very difficult to find what
    I want.

    I have had shops tell me outright that they could order an item but I
    knew where to buy it online too. The most bizarre one was the Barnes &
    Noble brick and mortar bookstore. They would order a book for me and
    when it arrived it would be full list price. I could order the same book
    from B&N online, get 10% off, and free shipping directly to me. Great business plan.

    Back when Amazon was first starting as a online bookseller I preferred
    B&N. Amazon tended to take your order and then a week or two later
    cancel it when they couldn't get the item. Foreign CDs were particularly
    bad.

    Amazon survived and became what they are. B&N never went beyond books
    and their Nook reader didn't take off. I had one but when the battery
    died it wasn't worth replacing it. They almost went under but seem to be having a comeback. I seldom buy physical books anymore so my trips to
    the local B&N are usually to buy a calendar when they're 50% off in
    January.

    There used to be a Waldenbooks and B Dalton in the mall but they both
    went under.

    I read an article about B&N's comeback. One of the big things they did was give local staff more control over what to stock, instead of having
    corporate shove stuff at them because they got a kickback from the
    publishers.

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  • From Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 08:56:58 2025
    On 4 May 2025 19:46:27 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Sun, 4 May 2025 14:05:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Amazon Prime Video App. I watched yesterday, for example, episode 4 of
    something. I open the same serial, and the thing offers "watch episode
    2 again". It almost never offers to watch the correct episode. I have
    to browse down and manually find the correct episode.

    I have a FireTV that sometimes does the same. I've been watching the
    second season of 'Almost Paradise'. I'd watched episode 4 Thursday night
    and Friday it had skipped to 9. I didn't look at the title and didn't
    realize the skip since the episodes are mostly standalone.

    It had also went back to 1/1 instead of continuing to 2/1. I wonder
    where the information is stored?

    I had that problem with Andor. I had to go back and watch a few episodes
    they skipped.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 19:57:57 2025
    On 2025-05-06 06:09, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 23:18:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I bought my first reader from them during a visit to Ottawa, at the
    Chapters shop there. A relative recommended me to get that one (Kobo
    Touch) instead of a Kindle. Kobo at the time was independent, now it
    belongs to Rakuten.

    Well, they are a Canadian company. I wonder if it would have made a difference had they been more aggressive in the US market. I think they
    were cheaper than Kindles at first but then Amazon undercut them. I think
    the actual readers use the old Kodak plan. Sell them a camera cheap and
    get a lifetime of film sales.

    Sure. But ebooks are cheaper than paper, specially if you have to ship
    them across the pond. Once I bought a paper book 2nd hand from a shop in
    NY. Book, 1$. Shipping, 8$. That convinced me to buy an ebook reader.
    And ebooks never get out of print.

    The first one I bought was expensive. One or two years later, they went
    down to 1/3 or so.

    I had to replace the battery on it once, purchased from a Chinese
    vendor. Recently I saw they had colour, and bought a Kobo Libra colour.
    It is not as a tablet, but suffices. They promised that maintenance will
    be available.

    How do you like it? The reviews I've seen of color e-ink have been
    lukewarm with the colors being a little off and a bit slow.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZXX465Z


    The colour is like a water colour. The thing has both B/W dots at a high resolution, and colour dots at a lower resolution. The speed is slow
    compared to a tablet, but it is similar compared to any epaper device.

    I can live with that. Maybe the next generation in 10 years time will
    improve dramatically, or not. Meanwhile, I can see the few colour
    pictures I get in my books, while before it was all greys.


    If you ever buy one, buy directly from Kobo, because you need an account
    to buy books, anyway. The easy way.

    My pet peeve with them is that they do geolocation on their web site.
    Even though I only buy English books from them, I'm offered books in
    Spanish mostly.




    What I find interesting is not Amazon selling Kobos, money is money after all, but the leading image is in French. As you scroll down there are
    photos in English. France is a big market for them so get off on the right foot. The same link in Tor routed through Germany also has the French
    screen shot.

    Curious.


    amazon.com/Kindle-Keyboard-Free-Wi-Fi-Display/dp/B004HZYA6E

    That's the Kindle from 2011 I have that was 3G. The 3G option didn't last long so they are all wi-fi now. The Kindle itself still works but 3G is
    gone. I thought that option must have been a pain for Amazon since every reader would have a telephone number.

    I can not imagine myself putting a SIM on one. Each SIM costs money
    here. I have a tablet that accepts SIMs, I never put one. I found that
    out when I saw my cleaning lady answering a phone call with a big tablet
    she fished out of her bag. She then explained that her iphone had been
    stolen at her work place (she cleaned at an hotel). :-D

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 6 20:02:48 2025
    On 2025-05-06 06:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 23:28:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    There was a crash one day of the card system. People were stuck on the
    motorways, couldn't pay.

    Quite a few toll roads have adopted rfid devices so you don't even have to stop to pay even for commercial trucks. Great system until the lights go
    out. i don't know what they do. Maybe for short term events they just eat
    the tolls rather than creating a huge snarl. The toll roads are mostly
    back east and high volume so it would be a real mess.

    Right.

    The case I mentioned before, was about paying the gas. That is
    significant money.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed May 7 00:06:20 2025
    Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net

    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 23:28:16 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    There was a crash one day of the card system. People were stuck on the
    motorways, couldn't pay.

    Quite a few toll roads have adopted rfid devices so you don't even have to >stop to pay even for commercial trucks. Great system until the lights go >out. i don't know what they do. Maybe for short term events they just eat >the tolls rather than creating a huge snarl.


    The toll roads are mostly back east and high volume so it would be a real mess.

    Haven't been to LA or SF Bay area recently? They now have toll lanes and in some areas (Orange County) privately collected toll freeways.

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  • From John Ames@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed May 7 01:28:02 2025
    On 6 May 2025 04:37:09 GMT
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    Hopefully they won't step on a local indie bookstore's territory.

    https://factandfictionbooks.com/

    It's a little too hip for my taste but I do like that they have
    managed to survive through the years.

    This is my local haunt. Wonderful place - nice folks, pleasingly
    esoteric selection, and just the right lost-in-the-stacks ambience :)

    https://thebookeryplacerville.com/


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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed May 7 19:14:49 2025
    On 2025-05-03, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-03 02:07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>>>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted.

    Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>>>>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell?

    Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security.

    Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves.

    That's irrelevant.

    Reality does tend to be irrelevant to ideology, doesn’t it?

    But then, the feeling is mutual.

    You get it wrong. Your interpretation of security and how things
    should be done is irrelevant. The interpretation by bankers is what
    matters. We either follow their rules, or there are no banking apps in phones.

    It ought to be illegal and stopped by courts, lest they someday find a
    way to do that even on desktop computers "Oh, we see you removed the
    bundled OS from Redmond and changed 'secure boot' settings. So you can't
    access the 'homebanking' on the web!".

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed May 7 20:27:56 2025
    On 2025-05-07 11:14, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-05-03, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-03 02:07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>>>>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted.

    Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>>>>>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell?

    Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security.

    Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves. >>>>
    That's irrelevant.

    Reality does tend to be irrelevant to ideology, doesn’t it?

    But then, the feeling is mutual.

    You get it wrong. Your interpretation of security and how things
    should be done is irrelevant. The interpretation by bankers is what
    matters. We either follow their rules, or there are no banking apps in
    phones.

    It ought to be illegal and stopped by courts, lest they someday find a
    way to do that even on desktop computers "Oh, we see you removed the
    bundled OS from Redmond and changed 'secure boot' settings. So you can't access the 'homebanking' on the web!".


    You's probably lose the trial.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 06:28:17 2025
    On 2025-05-07 19:28, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 08:28:02 -0700, John Ames wrote:

    This is my local haunt. Wonderful place - nice folks, pleasingly
    esoteric selection, and just the right lost-in-the-stacks ambience

    https://thebookeryplacerville.com/

    Fact and Fiction is nowhere near that large. However

    https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/experiences/montana/montana-valley- bookstore-100000-books-mt

    If you're claustrophobic you might start to question the integrity of the shelves. If you're really brave you can go down to the cellar, turning
    lights on as you go. Please trun them off as you leave if nobody else is there.

    The owner lives in the back so most times you ring the old fashioned bell
    on a Dutch door and she appears to take your money. If you're thirsty
    after your search there's a bar down the street but it's not exactly a hip fern bar.

    Sounds interesting :-)

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 06:25:01 2025
    On 2025-05-07 20:45, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:57:57 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Sure. But ebooks are cheaper than paper, specially if you have to ship
    them across the pond. Once I bought a paper book 2nd hand from a shop in
    NY. Book, 1$. Shipping, 8$. That convinced me to buy an ebook reader.
    And ebooks never get out of print.

    I've wondered how e-books have affected book sales. A couple have went out
    of business but there still is a shop in town than handles used
    paperbacks. They sell for half the cover price and you get a quarter of
    the price for the books you bring in. You can't do that with digital.
    There had been a shop that did the same with CDs but they went under a
    long time ago when music went digital.

    It saddens me a lot seeing that paper book shops are unable to also sell ebooks. I go to the shops to find new interesting books, but I can not
    buy them there! They do the job of convincing me to buy a certain book,
    then they can not benefit! I have to go to the online shop instead.

    I don't really know why "used" ebooks can not be resold. Maybe the
    conditions, the regulations, prohibit that, but technically, it is
    perfectly feasible. It is a file, after all.



    The first one I bought was expensive. One or two years later, they went
    down to 1/3 or so.

    Amazon has a cheaper tier with ads on the screen saver. The ads don't pop
    up when you're reading so I go for those. Part was a strategy to undercut Kobo and Nook.

    Clever.

    I can shop for new books inside the Kobo reader. When I finish an ebook
    it is possible I get an offer to buy a new one, and I can get previews. Commercials, no, I don't have them.

    I have commercials when I watch a movie or serial in Amazon Prime Video, though. I would like to send feedback about the commercials I get,
    because some of those I hate.


    I can not imagine myself putting a SIM on one. Each SIM costs money
    here. I have a tablet that accepts SIMs, I never put one. I found that
    out when I saw my cleaning lady answering a phone call with a big tablet
    she fished out of her bag. She then explained that her iphone had been
    stolen at her work place (she cleaned at an hotel). :-D

    That was the thing with that generation of Kindles. If you bought the 3G model, which wasn't that much more expensive, it came with the SIM build
    in. I don't even see a slot to access it. You didn't need a contract with
    a carrier like you would with a tablet. I don't know how they handled different regions. At the time Verizon was about the only game in town so Amazon must have had an arrangement with them but in other areas it would
    be another carrier. I can see why they dropped the option and went to wi-
    fi only. It would be a mess now as carriers have expanded. My wireless wi-
    fi hotspot is Verizon but my phone is T-Mobile, or Mint actually, although T-Mobile bought Mint. I don't know why Verizon doesn't have a prepaid option.

    The TomTom navigator did that, too. There was a SIM card inside and they
    had a slow and limited internet connection, but which they claimed
    worked in all of Europe, at a time when this was expensive, before the
    council mandated cheap roaming inside the EU. They would not use it for
    map updates, though, that had to be done via a computer.

    I think I had to pay a yearly subscription, but far cheaper than a phone
    would be. When that gadget broke down, the next one used a BT connection
    to my phone, which failed a lot. But it also has WiFi, and I managed to
    buy a cheap dongle that provides WiFi in the car.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Lars Poulsen@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 07:38:56 2025
    On 2025-05-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    [having an embedded SIM]
    The TomTom navigator did that, too. There was a SIM card inside and they
    had a slow and limited internet connection, but which they claimed
    worked in all of Europe, at a time when this was expensive, before the council mandated cheap roaming inside the EU. They would not use it for
    map updates, though, that had to be done via a computer.

    I think I had to pay a yearly subscription, but far cheaper than a phone would be. When that gadget broke down, the next one used a BT connection
    to my phone, which failed a lot. But it also has WiFi, and I managed to
    buy a cheap dongle that provides WiFi in the car.

    The positioning is using a GNSS (GPS/Galileo/Glonass) which is a
    receive-only radio. Cellular data may provide traffic information - I do
    not know how much data bandwidth that requires. In many cars, there is a built-in cellular data that may be used for mechanical health checks,
    crash detection and related emergency communications, but if your NAV
    subsystem is an aftermarket TomTom, it probably cannot interface with
    the car's native systems.

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  • From Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 09:37:32 2025
    On 6 May 2025 04:15:01 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:50:45 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
    Software wrote:

    I've still got my original Kindle, a first- or second-gen model with an
    actual keyboard. Amazing it still works, but I like it because it's so
    small and light, and has terrific battery life.

    https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Keyboard-Free-Wi-Fi-Display/dp/B004HZYA6E

    That's the oldest one I have. It still works although 3G is gone. I
    bought a case for it that flips around to turn it into an easel. I've
    got some programming books on it and it's handy to put next to the
    computer. I have to retrain so I don't try to swipe to turn the page.

    That looks like mine, except that I got mine before they started the two
    tier pricing for ads/no ads. No 3G on mine, either - wifi only - but
    that's not a problem because my phone is a hotspot.

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  • From Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 09:44:05 2025
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 08:28:02 -0700, John Ames wrote:

    On 6 May 2025 04:37:09 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    Hopefully they won't step on a local indie bookstore's territory.

    https://factandfictionbooks.com/

    It's a little too hip for my taste but I do like that they have managed
    to survive through the years.

    This is my local haunt. Wonderful place - nice folks, pleasingly
    esoteric selection, and just the right lost-in-the-stacks ambience :)

    https://thebookeryplacerville.com/

    Here's my favorite pace before I moved. Looks like they have new owners.
    It used to be a bank, it's mostly basement and the rooms go on and on and
    on. I used to stop in every few weeks, mostly to browse, although I did by
    a book now and then. When I moved I sold everything (plus a lot more) back
    to the owner for basically pennies a pound. Nothing good where I live now, unfortunately.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=407795831532119&set=pb. 100069051170884.-2207520000&type=3

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=627407169570983&set=pb. 100069051170884.-2207520000&type=3


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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 22:07:56 2025
    On 2025-05-07 23:38, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    On 2025-05-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    [having an embedded SIM]
    The TomTom navigator did that, too. There was a SIM card inside and they
    had a slow and limited internet connection, but which they claimed
    worked in all of Europe, at a time when this was expensive, before the
    council mandated cheap roaming inside the EU. They would not use it for
    map updates, though, that had to be done via a computer.

    I think I had to pay a yearly subscription, but far cheaper than a phone
    would be. When that gadget broke down, the next one used a BT connection
    to my phone, which failed a lot. But it also has WiFi, and I managed to
    buy a cheap dongle that provides WiFi in the car.

    The positioning is using a GNSS (GPS/Galileo/Glonass) which is a
    receive-only radio. Cellular data may provide traffic information - I do
    not know how much data bandwidth that requires. In many cars, there is a built-in cellular data that may be used for mechanical health checks,
    crash detection and related emergency communications, but if your NAV subsystem is an aftermarket TomTom, it probably cannot interface with
    the car's native systems.

    Both the tomtom and the car crash reporting system are aftermarket in my
    case.

    I believe the tomtom internal sim card used a connection limited to 64Kbps.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Thu May 8 22:17:27 2025
    On 2025-05-08 02:25, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 7 May 2025 22:25:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    It saddens me a lot seeing that paper book shops are unable to also sell
    ebooks. I go to the shops to find new interesting books, but I can not
    buy them there! They do the job of convincing me to buy a certain book,
    then they can not benefit! I have to go to the online shop instead.

    I don't really know why "used" ebooks can not be resold. Maybe the
    conditions, the regulations, prohibit that, but technically, it is
    perfectly feasible. It is a file, after all.

    Amazon uses a DRM scheme but that can be broken. I think there's a way you can 'lend' and e-book to someone else. The library's e-books are delivered via Amazon but I think you have other choices. I don't know how the bookkeeping works but they treat an e-book like a physical book where
    there's only one copy. You check it out and nobody else can get it until
    you return it or the loan expires.

    Yes.

    I know that the DRM used by Adobe Digital Editions can be broken (for
    backup purposes). I assume that something similar can be done with the
    Amazon system.

    I wondered, though, if an ebook can be resold or transferred to another
    user, legally, ie, keeping the DRM. Something similar to what a library
    does.



    I can shop for new books inside the Kobo reader. When I finish an ebook
    it is possible I get an offer to buy a new one, and I can get previews.
    Commercials, no, I don't have them.

    kindle does that in spades. You can also review the book. I read a lot of series and it always points you to the next one when you finish. I haven't tried it yet but they recently have come up with summaries. The trend for lesser known authors is series. Mackey Chandler's 'April' series is 14
    books. Sometimes an author will still be working on books in the projected series and a recap or 'previously on' would be handy.

    Many authors did/do series. For instance, a fiction crime writer, like
    Agatha Christie, used the same detective, Poirot, on a lot of the
    novels; other personages appears in many novels. It is not a series in
    name, but it is in fact.



    Some of the ads on Amazon, Netflix, and FreeVee can get a little old.
    Several times they've run the same ad back to back in the same break. They also use the operant conditioning style reward schedule. Sometimes a show will be uninterrupted. The next episode might have ads every few minutes. Gotta keep the rats guessing. With rats it is a reward though. Partial reinforcement tends to work better than a reward every time. They can't figure out the schedule and will keep pressing the lever figuring they'll
    get a treat sooner or later.

    {chuckle} :-)

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 9 06:45:48 2025
    On 2025-05-08 20:56, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:17:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I wondered, though, if an ebook can be resold or transferred to another
    user, legally, ie, keeping the DRM. Something similar to what a library
    does.

    https://booksrun.com/blog/news-on-reselling-ebooks/

    The article is very old. afaik Amazon hasn't implemented any resale plan.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201014950

    Stephan Kinsella has written about the problem and copyright in general.
    When you buy a physical book, you own the book. You can sell the physical book, but you can't copy it and sell copies. With electronic media you
    have a license to the content but there isn't a physical entity. You don't own the epub, modi, awz, file.

    https://phys.org/news/2009-10-amazon-deleted-orwell.html

    Rather ironic that they snatched '1984' back. With Kindle Unlimited I can 'borrow' a large number of titles. When I have 'read' them I 'return' the book and it's removed from the device. That makes sense and I haven't paid for the content.

    Ah, borrow.


    i asked an author how that worked from his end. He hadn't thought about it and said he would research it but never got back to me. Many of the books
    I read fall into the Kindle Unlimited plan or I can buy them, usually for
    a nominal amount, $5 or so. I wanted to know if he received the same
    payment either way since Id rather support an author I enjoy. I don't
    think any of the authors I read are turning into millionaires for their efforts.

    Neal Stephenson tried the series deal and got quite a bit of negative reviews. It's in the unlimited plan now but when 'Polestan' came out last year I bought it for $14.99. It wasn't clear that it was a series and the story line was not resolved at all. People who had read his previous
    books, which tend to be long and convoluted, thought it was a transparent ploy to make more money. I don't think the second book is out yet but I didn't like the first half enough to read it, even for free.



    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From John Levine@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 9 07:15:01 2025
    It appears that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> said:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:17:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I wondered, though, if an ebook can be resold or transferred to another
    user, legally, ie, keeping the DRM. Something similar to what a library
    does.

    https://booksrun.com/blog/news-on-reselling-ebooks/

    The article is very old. afaik Amazon hasn't implemented any resale plan.

    Don't hold your breath. I expect the patent they describe was gotten defensively,
    to ensure that nobody else can patent it, not because they expect to use it.

    i asked an author how that worked from his end.

    Some of my books are in those unlimited digital libraries. If I've
    gotten any royalties, I'd need a microscope to see them.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From John Levine@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 9 10:42:08 2025
    According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 21:15:01 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    Some of my books are in those unlimited digital libraries. If I've
    gotten any royalties, I'd need a microscope to see them.

    Certainly not 'Internet for Dummies' :)

    I got plenty of royalties from sales of the book itself and the many things they
    made out of it like combo books and desk calendars, but not from the online libraries where the user pays one fee which is then split out to all the books they might look at during the year.

    I also get some random stautory royalties. Earlier this year my Dutch photocopying
    royalty was 0,36 €. Time to look at yacht catalogs.
    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri May 9 20:34:20 2025
    On 2025-05-09 02:42, John Levine wrote:
    According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 21:15:01 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    Some of my books are in those unlimited digital libraries. If I've
    gotten any royalties, I'd need a microscope to see them.

    Certainly not 'Internet for Dummies' :)

    I got plenty of royalties from sales of the book itself and the many things they
    made out of it like combo books and desk calendars, but not from the online libraries where the user pays one fee which is then split out to all the books
    they might look at during the year.

    I also get some random stautory royalties. Earlier this year my Dutch photocopying
    royalty was 0,36 €. Time to look at yacht catalogs.

    Yeah, you are making rich.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Scott Alfter@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 13 06:35:07 2025
    In article <HaWdncDvuYBaxI_1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    Dennis Boone <drb@ihatespam.msu.edu> wrote:
    I wish I could find an RPN calculator. I just can't get my head
    around infix for anything but the most simple of calculations.
    Oh well, there's always dc...

    There are 16C and 41C apps for android.

    Some are even open source:

    https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/com.jovial.jrpn15 (15C) https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/com.jovial.jrpn (16C)

    I never used either of these back in the day (I got through my college-level math classes with a TI-68), but I've lately been using the 15C emulator more and more instead of the stock Android calculator.

    --
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    \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?


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  • From Scott Alfter@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 13 06:41:19 2025
    In article <e14delxobs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>,
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-05-01 15:37, vallor wrote:
    It might be helpful if the Linux phone had the capability to
    run android applications, so that one would still be able
    to (say) authenticate with one's bank.

    I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a system, >same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted.

    I've never run across a bank app that wouldn't run on a rooted phone. If
    your bank pulls that sort of nonsense, it's time to find a different bank.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 13 08:29:47 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 23:09:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control,
    it also entails security risks that banking applications find
    unacceptable:

    And yet they allow access to their websites on any common-or-garden
    browser running on any common-or-garden PC, regardless of whether the user
    has administrative access to the PC or not.

    Why this paternalistic attitude only to users of mobile phones, but not
    PCs?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 13 08:30:10 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 20:41:19 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:

    I've never run across a bank app that wouldn't run on a rooted phone.
    If your bank pulls that sort of nonsense, it's time to find a different
    bank.

    Particularly since there’s no reliable way they can tell if it’s rooted or not.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 13 10:45:53 2025
    On 2025-05-13 00:29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 23:09:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative
    privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control,
    it also entails security risks that banking applications find
    unacceptable:

    And yet they allow access to their websites on any common-or-garden
    browser running on any common-or-garden PC, regardless of whether the user has administrative access to the PC or not.

    Why this paternalistic attitude only to users of mobile phones, but not
    PCs?

    Well, for instance I can use a phone to identify myself, but not a
    computer.

    For another, because they can.

    --
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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 13 18:52:13 2025
    On 2025-05-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 23:09:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative
    privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control,
    it also entails security risks that banking applications find
    unacceptable:

    And yet they allow access to their websites on any common-or-garden
    browser running on any common-or-garden PC, regardless of whether the user has administrative access to the PC or not.

    Why this paternalistic attitude only to users of mobile phones, but not
    PCs?

    Probably because they're not able to do the same on "PC" computers yet.

    If someone manages to include something that allows, say, some sort of
    TPM and/or secure boot-based validation from within the browser - and
    W3C's history with DRM suggests that might end up happening - they might
    well start doing that. "You changed your computer's OS from the
    OEM-installed one. You cannot use our 'homebanking' from a rooted
    computer.", "You uninstalled or disabled the OEMs driver update tool,
    your system might not be secure, 'homebanking' will not work.", etc,
    etc.


    Let's hope those stay hypothetical.

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed May 14 06:03:33 2025
    On 2025-05-13 21:03, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 09:52:13 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

    If someone manages to include something that allows, say, some sort of
    TPM and/or secure boot-based validation from within the browser - and
    W3C's history with DRM suggests that might end up happening - they might
    well start doing that. "You changed your computer's OS from the
    OEM-installed one. You cannot use our 'homebanking' from a rooted
    computer.", "You uninstalled or disabled the OEMs driver update tool,
    your system might not be secure, 'homebanking' will not work.", etc,
    etc.

    Slightly different, but Amazon Music balked at playing content with Brave
    on Linux saying it wasn't an up to date Chrome. I then tried Firefox which tried to install some sort of DRM plugin that failed. So, I guess no
    Amazon Music if you've rooted your computer. (the box did come with
    Windows 11 Pro that I promptly overwrote with Ubuntu)

    I have used Amazon Music on the car some times, with the Cat Auto thing.
    I don't quite like it, because if I stop and try to continue another
    day, it doesn't remember what it was playing.

    Anyway, I just tried in Firefox under Linux. It is playing, after saying
    no to subscribing (so it is just the basic option with Amazon Prime). I
    have Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc. and
    OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Wed May 14 20:18:35 2025
    On 2025-05-14 05:20, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:03:33 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    Anyway, I just tried in Firefox under Linux. It is playing, after saying
    no to subscribing (so it is just the basic option with Amazon Prime). I
    have Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc. and
    OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc.

    Okay. Probably not something I'm going to bother figuring out. I was only curious because I get email saying I'm not using Amazon music. jango.com
    or youtube playlists work for me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WXsdApQIY4

    Yes, same thing, I get those emails.

    My problem with it is that it doesn't remember what playlist I was
    playing, and where in it. I don't want to restart everyday from scratch
    (in the car).

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue May 20 19:33:39 2025
    On 2025-05-05, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-05-05 09:14, maus wrote:
    On 2025-05-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 14:16:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I use Chrome on the few occasions those things happen and I don't feel >>>> like walking, considering that here you need an appointment to enter the >>>> bank office. Or, phone their agent place.

    At least in the US you can walk in without an appointment. It's never been >>> more than a few minutes before someone sees you. The exception was during >>> the covid lockdown when the lobby was closed.

    I very seldom have to go to the bank anyway. Everything is set up as
    direct deposit or automated payment. Day to day I use cash, and get a few >>> hundred from the ATM as needed. The exception is using a card at gas
    stations for the convenience. I've never had the need for online banking >>> or an app on the phone.

    Pinoccio!

    The nightmare happened in Iberia last week, a niece of one on my friends
    was there, no money, no cards, and nobody uses cash.

    The bazaars known here as "chinos", because they are mostly owned and
    staffed by Chinese people, prefer cash. They switched to cards during
    Covid, but now they are back to a minimum amount to accept cards. I
    also know some cafeterias that have a minimum.

    But even having cash on the Gran Apagn day and you had trouble to
    purchase things, because the cash register machines were down. They
    could not look up the price of things in supermarkets.

    Some places resorted to "you pay me back tomorrow".

    In Portugal, the smaller ones, I guess. Supermarket chains mostly had
    their shops shut down.

    Meanwhile, with the bank card networks unreachable... for off-line
    cards, in points of sale which accept Visa and Mastercard shouldn't the
    only matter be having the equipment locally capable of processing the transaction? Visa has been phasing out their on-line card (Electron),
    and I think some banks in .pt have also been dropping the MasterCard one (Maestro).

    So a chunk of people who would have had on-line cards might hold
    off-line cards now. Or did Visa just start issuing "Visa Debit"-branded
    cards which work like Electron?

    --
    Nuno Silva

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