I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone
missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I went
to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling
the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail
and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
Ed Cryer wrote:
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone
missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I went
to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling
the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail
and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down from
the top, not right at the bottom, but somewhere in the middle.
How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
Ed Cryer wrote:
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone
missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I went
to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling
the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail
and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down from
the top, not right at the bottom, but somewhere in the middle.
How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
On 11/4/26 7:17 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:Did you accidentally hit one of the column headers and sort them not by date? I sometimes
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone
missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I went
to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling
the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail
and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down from
the top, not right at the bottom, but somewhere in the middle.
How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
sort by name.
(FU set ti TB.)
On 2026/11/4 12:47:36, Alan K. wrote:
On 11/4/26 7:17 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:Did you accidentally hit one of the column headers and sort them not by date? I sometimes
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone
missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I went >>> to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling
the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail
and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down from
the top, not right at the bottom, but somewhere in the middle.
How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
sort by name
You beat me to it! If that's the case, the column heading it /is/ sorted
by will have a ^ or v in it, depending which direction it is sorted in.
[Re-direct ignored. I don't subsribe to the Thunderbird group.]
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
(FU set ti TB.)
On 2026/11/4 12:47:36, Alan K. wrote:
On 11/4/26 7:17 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:Did you accidentally hit one of the column headers and sort them not by date? I sometimes
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone >>>>> missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I went >>>>> to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling >>>>> the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail >>>>> and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down from >>>> the top, not right at the bottom, but somewhere in the middle.
How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
sort by name
You beat me to it! If that's the case, the column heading it /is/ sorted
by will have a ^ or v in it, depending which direction it is sorted in.
Probably (accidentily) sorting on another (than 'Date') column is
indeed what happened (to Ed).
BUT, if you have starred messages and (accidentily) click the star in
the column header, starred messages will be put at the top, but the star column header will *not* have a ^ or v in it, because the star column is
too narrow to display ^/v.
The peculiar thing is that when you click the star in the column
headings, the starred messages are put at the top (or bottom) but the
starred messages are *also* sorted on 'Date' and below the starred
messages are the non-starred messages, *also* sorted on 'Date'.
So while the 'Date' column does *not* have ^/v, the messages *are*
still sorted on 'Date' in two (starred/non-starred) categories.
Rather unexpected, but sensible behaviour.
My wife uses this behaviour to put her important messages at the top (still sorted by date/time) and less important messages below that (but
also still sorted by date).
So she learnt *me* something about computer stuff! I'm afraid I'm
going to get remembered of that fact for a long, long time! :-)
[Re-direct ignored. I don't subsribe to the Thunderbird group.]
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
(FU set ti TB.)
On 2026/11/4 12:47:36, Alan K. wrote:
Did you accidentally hit one of the column headers and sort them not by date? I sometimes
sort by name
You beat me to it! If that's the case, the column heading it /is/ sorted
by will have a ^ or v in it, depending which direction it is sorted in.
Probably (accidentily) sorting on another (than 'Date') column is
indeed what happened (to Ed).
BUT, if you have starred messages and (accidentily) click the star in
the column header, starred messages will be put at the top, but the star column header will *not* have a ^ or v in it, because the star column is
too narrow to display ^/v.
The peculiar thing is that when you click the star in the column
headings, the starred messages are put at the top (or bottom) but the
starred messages are *also* sorted on 'Date' and below the starred
messages are the non-starred messages, *also* sorted on 'Date'.
So while the 'Date' column does *not* have ^/v, the messages *are*
still sorted on 'Date' in two (starred/non-starred) categories.
Rather unexpected, but sensible behaviour.
My wife uses this behaviour to put her important messages at the top:-)
(still sorted by date/time) and less important messages below that (but
also still sorted by date).
So she learnt *me* something about computer stuff! I'm afraid I'm
going to get remembered of that fact for a long, long time! :-)
On 11/5/2026 3:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:ne
[Re-direct ignored. I don't subsribe to the Thunderbird group.]
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
(FU set ti TB.)
On 2026/11/4 12:47:36, Alan K. wrote:
On 11/4/26 7:17 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's go
ingmissing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I
went
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ailthe mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webm
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I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down
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How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
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then the posts/emails within each subject or sender grouping will be in
date order.
On 04-11-2026 20:45, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
On 11/5/2026 3:23 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[Re-direct ignored. I don't subsribe to the Thunderbird group.]
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
(FU set ti TB.)ÿÿ Probably (accidentily) sorting on another (than 'Date') column is
On 2026/11/4 12:47:36, Alan K. wrote:
On 11/4/26 7:17 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:ÿ You beat me to it! If that's the case, the column heading it /is/
Ed Cryer wrote:Did you accidentally hit one of the column headers and sort them not >>>>> by date?ÿ I sometimes
I sent an email from my Outlook account on Betterbird, but it's gone >>>>>>> missing from the Sent items box. I know it was in there because I >>>>>>> went
to look at it, and it disappeared before my eyes while I was handling >>>>>>> the mouse. I must have hit something accidentally.
It shows up in other devices' Sent boxes; both in the Outlook webmail >>>>>>> and on my iPad.
I can't find it in any other Betterbird box.
Ed
I found it with an advanced search. It was hundreds of places down >>>>>> from
the top, not right at the bottom, but somewhere in the middle.
How did it get there? What did I do?
Ed
sort by name
sorted
by will have a ^ or v in it, depending which direction it is sorted in. >>>
indeed what happened (to Ed).
ÿÿ BUT, if you have starred messages and (accidentily) click the star in >>> the column header, starred messages will be put at the top, but the star >>> column header will *not* have a ^ or v in it, because the star column is >>> too narrow to display ^/v.
ÿÿ The peculiar thing is that when you click the star in the column
headings, the starred messages are put at the top (or bottom) but the
starred messages are *also* sorted on 'Date' and below the starred
messages are the non-starred messages, *also* sorted on 'Date'.
ÿÿ So while the 'Date' column does *not* have ^/v, the messages *are*
still sorted on 'Date' in two (starred/non-starred) categories.
ÿÿ Rather unexpected, but sensible behaviour.
ÿÿ My wife uses this behaviour to put her important messages at the top >>> (still sorted by date/time) and less important messages below that (but
also still sorted by date).
ÿÿ So she learnt *me* something about computer stuff! I'm afraid I'm
going to get remembered of that fact for a long, long time! :-)
More advanced email softwares have user configurable 2nd, 3rd level sort
orders.ÿ And not "something reasonable selected by the programmer."ÿ But
it's hard to beat /free/ and readily available.
Whenever you change the sort order previous sort orders are retained, at least a few levels deep, not "something reasonable selected by the programmer".
On 11/5/2026 6:03 AM, dillinger wrote:[...]
On 04-11-2026 20:45, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
More advanced email softwares have user configurable 2nd, 3rd level sort >>> orders.ÿ And not "something reasonable selected by the programmer."ÿ But >>> it's hard to beat /free/ and readily available.
Whenever you change the sort order previous sort orders are retained, at
least a few levels deep, not "something reasonable selected by the
programmer".
But, it's not part of the user interface.ÿ So, I give this behaviour
"until someone decides to rewrite it."ÿ At which point it will behave differently, and then people will complain.
And when that happens [1], I have no idea if they'll revert or not.
Plus, it could be nice to have a predefined sets of sort orders, with
the 2nd, 3rd level and so forth, and be able to trivially switch be-
tween them.
Mozilla wants to to fiddle with this every time I change it.ÿ Why?
[1] Given Mozilla's track record, sometime in the next twenty years,
maybe?
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