• Re: How to copy text on the iPad to the Windows PC

    From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 13:17:22 2026
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
    local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
    would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
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  • From CrudeSausage@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 10:15:10 2026
    On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
    local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the
    internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
    would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?

    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and erases
    it from the server. Similarly, it doesn't send a draft until you are
    ready to do so. Until that time, it resides on your computer. Absolutely nothing is stored on the server itself, so it is a lot more secure
    albeit more cumbersome for archivists such as myself. If you are an
    archivist but want to remain secure, you can use a service like Posteo
    which encrypts absolutely all data, making it unreadable to anyone who
    doesn't have access to the private key. The key itself can also be
    stored somewhere safe on an encrypted storage device.


    --
    CrudeSausage
    MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
    iPhone 13
    Friendly Apple zealot

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 10:41:41 2026
    On Tue, 10/27/2026 8:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
    local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the
    internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
    would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?


    Considering all the progress so far, I think the local email server
    is the easiest solution. You know you wanna :-)

    "Personal Mail Server" $3.34

    https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nklmkqsg9c8?hl=en-US&gl=US

    "Run your own email server with Personal Mail Server ? a self-hosted
    SMTP and IMAP mail server that runs entirely on your Windows PC.
    No cloud email providers, no monthly..."

    Each time your Windows PC boots, the iPad will see a local IP appear
    with the email server it wants to reach.

    You could even, secretly, exchange your movies and music, without iTunes :-)
    A 7GB attachment to an email file, encoded in BASE64. OK. OK.

    I'm beginning to get an Apple vibe now. This could work.

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 20:18:44 2026
    On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
    local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via
    the
    internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
    would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the
    authorities took long to find them out?

    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and erases
    it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point. You have to UPLOAD the draft to the server.


    Similarly, it doesn't send a draft until you are
    ready to do so. Until that time, it resides on your computer. Absolutely nothing is stored on the server itself, so it is a lot more secure
    albeit more cumbersome for archivists such as myself. If you are an archivist but want to remain secure, you can use a service like Posteo
    which encrypts absolutely all data, making it unreadable to anyone who doesn't have access to the private key. The key itself can also be
    stored somewhere safe on an encrypted storage device.




    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 20:21:07 2026
    On 2026-10-27 15:41, Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 10/27/2026 8:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
    local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the >>> internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
    would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?


    Considering all the progress so far, I think the local email server
    is the easiest solution. You know you wanna :-)

    Oh, I have mine. Dovecot on Linux. What I have not done is made it
    accessible over internet, no reason to. :-)


    "Personal Mail Server" $3.34

    https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nklmkqsg9c8?hl=en-US&gl=US

    "Run your own email server with Personal Mail Server ? a self-hosted
    SMTP and IMAP mail server that runs entirely on your Windows PC.
    No cloud email providers, no monthly..."

    Each time your Windows PC boots, the iPad will see a local IP appear
    with the email server it wants to reach.

    You could even, secretly, exchange your movies and music, without iTunes :-) A 7GB attachment to an email file, encoded in BASE64. OK. OK.


    :-D

    I'm beginning to get an Apple vibe now. This could work.

    Paul


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From CrudeSausage@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 17:02:35 2026
    On 2026-10-27 3:18 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the >>>> local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts
    via the
    internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft >>>> would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and
    the authorities took long to find them out?

    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free
    to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and
    erases it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point. You have to UPLOAD the draft to the server.

    Yes, but while IMAP immediately saves your draft to the server as you're composing it, POP3 only delivers it to the server once you actually
    press the send button. As such, you can choose the form the server
    receives, such as encrypting it before it leaves your computer.

    --
    CrudeSausage
    MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
    iPhone 13
    Friendly Apple zealot

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 23:09:58 2026
    On 2026-10-27 22:02, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 3:18 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on >>>>> the
    local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts
    via the
    internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft >>>>> would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and
    the authorities took long to find them out?

    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free
    to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and
    erases it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point. You have to UPLOAD the draft to the
    server.

    Yes, but while IMAP immediately saves your draft to the server as you're composing it, POP3 only delivers it to the server once you actually
    press the send button. As such, you can choose the form the server
    receives, such as encrypting it before it leaves your computer.


    BUT that's the point, what I propose, what the bad guys used because it
    was secure from snooping by authorities, is NOT SENDING. That's the
    whole point.

    If you send, there is a route and many servers involved, one of which
    can read your post. The trick is not sending, ever. One bad guy wrote
    the post and left it in drafts. Another bad guy in a different place
    accessed the same account, looked in drafts, and read it.

    Instead of bad guys, just good guys with privacy in mind. The method is private as long as you trust the mail provider. For instance, Proton.

    The encryption is https, if you use the web mail front. Or imaps if you
    don't. Might work with some types of mail encryption. Thunderbird can be
    told to save encrypted drafts.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 28 08:18:47 2026
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
    While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the >>>> local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via >>>> the
    internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft >>>> would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?

    You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the
    authorities took long to find them out?

    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free to
    connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and erases
    it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point.

    The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in iOS/iPadOS.


    No response will make any difference to Donald. He'll ignore all
    suggestions and still count it as a win in his addled "highly intelligent" brain.

    We all have ways to deal with the manufactured problem that are effective
    and efficient.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 28 18:27:14 2026
    On 2026-10-28 04:53, Maria Sophia wrote:
    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    BUT that's the point, what I propose, what the bad guys used because it
    was secure from snooping by authorities, is NOT SENDING. That's the
    whole point.

    If you send, there is a route and many servers involved, one of which
    can read your post. The trick is not sending, ever. One bad guy wrote
    the post and left it in drafts. Another bad guy in a different place
    accessed the same account, looked in drafts, and read it.

    Instead of bad guys, just good guys with privacy in mind. The method is
    private as long as you trust the mail provider. For instance, Proton.

    The encryption is https, if you use the web mail front. Or imaps if you
    don't. Might work with some types of mail encryption. Thunderbird can be
    told to save encrypted drafts.

    Hi Carlos,

    You know me well where when someone gets caught and it makes the news, I
    try to figure out *how* they got caught (by their computer or phone use).

    All intelligent people have a good memory, where I remember when General David Petraeus's resignation as CIA Director in 2012 followed an
    extramarital affair with biographer Paula Broadwell when they would communicate, via the same account, via drafts, sans any encryption.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal>

    "Petraeus and Broadwell used fake names to create free
    webmail accounts exchanging messages without encryption tools.
    They would share an email account, with one saving a message
    in the drafts folder and the other deleting it after reading it."

    They likely would have gotten away with it since nobody was looking at
    email drafts (apparently) at the time, but he was CIA & they were FBI.

    Yes, I knew about that :-)

    It worked for many years, till it was publicized. I don't remember if it
    was this case or another.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brock McNuggets@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 28 13:54:47 2026
    On 28 Oct 2026, Maria Sophia wrote in <11btmeb$1rod$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
    Chris wrote:
    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are
    free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads
    everything and erases it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point.

    The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in
    iOS/iPadOS.

    Actually, iOS was never designed to be interoperable with anything
    that was not made by Apple, as far as anyone who is reasonable would
    claim, AFAIK.

    Are you seriously claiming Apple's iOS is as interoperable with
    Windows as, oh, say Android, Chris?

    If so, your claim is ridiculously absurd on all accounts, and if I'm
    wrong, let's see someone on the normal OS newsgroups claim that you're correct.

    Everything goes though the 'net these days... but, sure, Apple stuff
    works better with Apple stuff, just as Google stuff works better with
    Google stuff. And?



    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Thu Oct 29 00:33:38 2026
    On Wed, 10/28/2026 4:54 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On 28 Oct 2026, Maria Sophia wrote in <11btmeb$1rod$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
    Chris wrote:
    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are
    free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads
    everything and erases it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point.

    The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in
    iOS/iPadOS.

    Actually, iOS was never designed to be interoperable with anything
    that was not made by Apple, as far as anyone who is reasonable would
    claim, AFAIK.

    Are you seriously claiming Apple's iOS is as interoperable with
    Windows as, oh, say Android, Chris?

    If so, your claim is ridiculously absurd on all accounts, and if I'm
    wrong, let's see someone on the normal OS newsgroups claim that you're
    correct.

    Everything goes though the 'net these days... but, sure, Apple stuff
    works better with Apple stuff, just as Google stuff works better with
    Google stuff. And?

    You will admit, certain OS combinations work better together.

    And in this computer room, what works, is what gets used.

    It's a pretty simple formula really, to success,
    for the participants.

    You don't need to be "perfectly open", just "sufficiently open".

    The idea is, to make your box "frictionless", so a person
    like maria cannot continuously make soap operas out of it.

    I once made a sector level backup of the disk on the Mac G4.
    It took a PowerPC DVD version of Ubuntu, "dd" and "ftp".
    That is used to capture a disk at rest.
    (Ethernet is the fastest I/O on that box.)
    Well, today, if I double click the output from that
    session in Linux, all the Mac partitions open sequentially
    within the bitmap image of the disk. I can see all my files!
    (Probably only data forks, as you can imagine. For
    important documents left on the disk image, that's
    likely to be a good start.) And that's because File Sharing
    would not work on MacOS 10.2 . A dialog would open to take
    a username and password, but the connection would drop before
    you could enter credentials. Nobody ever fixed that.
    Yes, all versions of SMB were turned on, on the other boxes.

    How attractive is this for a closed ecosystem attempt ?
    Pretty unmagical at a guess. Why launch a product when
    it isn't ready ? Haven't we learned anything ? Or was the
    project close to getting canceled, instead of launched ???

    https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-googlebook-os-review-app-gemini-problems/

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brock McNuggets@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 28 22:24:01 2026
    On 28 Oct 2026, Paul wrote in <11buib0$31njj$1@dont-email.me>:
    On Wed, 10/28/2026 4:54 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On 28 Oct 2026, Maria Sophia wrote in
    <11btmeb$1rod$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
    Chris wrote:
    If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are
    free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads
    everything and erases it from the server.

    Which is contrary to the point.

    The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in
    iOS/iPadOS.

    Actually, iOS was never designed to be interoperable with anything
    that was not made by Apple, as far as anyone who is reasonable would
    claim, AFAIK.

    Are you seriously claiming Apple's iOS is as interoperable with
    Windows as, oh, say Android, Chris?

    If so, your claim is ridiculously absurd on all accounts, and if I'm
    wrong, let's see someone on the normal OS newsgroups claim that
    you're correct.

    Everything goes though the 'net these days... but, sure, Apple stuff
    works better with Apple stuff, just as Google stuff works better with
    Google stuff. And?

    You will admit, certain OS combinations work better together.

    And in this computer room, what works, is what gets used.

    It's a pretty simple formula really, to success,
    for the participants.

    You don't need to be "perfectly open", just "sufficiently open".

    The idea is, to make your box "frictionless", so a person like maria
    cannot continuously make soap operas out of it.

    I once made a sector level backup of the disk on the Mac G4. It took a PowerPC DVD version of Ubuntu, "dd" and "ftp". That is used to capture
    a disk at rest.
    (Ethernet is the fastest I/O on that box.)
    Well, today, if I double click the output from that
    session in Linux, all the Mac partitions open sequentially within the
    bitmap image of the disk. I can see all my files! (Probably only data
    forks, as you can imagine. For
    important documents left on the disk image, that's
    likely to be a good start.) And that's because File Sharing would not
    work on MacOS 10.2 . A dialog would open to take a username and
    password, but the connection would drop before you could enter
    credentials. Nobody ever fixed that.
    Yes, all versions of SMB were turned on, on the other boxes.

    I have seen SMB oddities on macOS in the past.

    How attractive is this for a closed ecosystem attempt ? Pretty
    unmagical at a guess. Why launch a product when it isn't ready ?
    Haven't we learned anything ? Or was the project close to getting
    canceled, instead of launched ???

    https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-googlebook-os-review-app-gemini-problems/

    Paul




    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brock McNuggets@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 30 06:46:05 2026
    On 29 Oct 2026, Maria Sophia wrote in <11c16c1$4m$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
    Paul wrote:
    The idea is, to make your box "frictionless", so a person like
    maria cannot continuously make soap operas out of it.

    Heh heh heh... I love that! I might use it as a signature line. Do
    I need to pay royalties to you for that privilege?

    If iOS actually worked, I'd have nothing to say about it.

    It works well enough where you feel the need to make up problems and
    lie.

    Worse, if the Apple nutcases would just act like normal people,
    every thread that includes them would be an order of magnitude
    shorter as a result.

    If we pretended your had a point it would just go away. Sure.

    To copy text between iOS and Windows clipboards is a clusterfuck.
    Unless you use Vysor.

    So neither plays well with the other, fine. But you do not compare
    Android with macOS vs. iOS with Windows.

    It's a *lot* easier to copy between Android & Windows clipboards
    though. That's because Android has this concept of a file outside
    of an app.

    iOS doesn't.

    Most people think in terms of files being in apps... as wrong as
    that is. But the file is accessible from the Files app... which is
    not in the app it was made in.

    Android handles files as independent system entities that live in
    actual directories. We can grab a file or a chunk of data, and the
    OS treats it like an object that can be moved, read, or
    intercepted by another OS without locking it inside an app
    sandbox.

    And iOS has a file directory, too... I can get to files I save on my
    Mac from my phone.

    Apple's iOS, by contrast, treats files and clipboards as
    app-centric property. Because Apple isolates data inside rigid
    application containers by design, getting something as simple as
    text or a loose file from an iPhone to a Windows PC without an
    all-Apple ecosystem forces you to jump through third-party
    workarounds (like Vysor, cloud clipping tools, or messaging
    yourself).

    You have been given many solutions. And you keep looking at Windows
    as if that is the norm. I copy to and from my laptop often.

    When people praise iOS "simplicity," they are usually ignoring how punishingly difficult it makes cross-platform friction.

    Cross-platform involves both platforms.

    There's brilliant logic in Apple purposefully making iOS NOT
    interoperate with the platforms in the real world, in that Apple
    makes a LOT of money out of forcing their constituents to buy an
    Apple-only ecosystem.

    They make their ecosystem easier. OK.

    Otherwise, if they try to use their devices in the real world,
    they fail. It's a brilliant marketing strategy.




    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)