While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the
internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the
internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?
On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via
the
internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the
authorities took long to find them out?
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and erases
it from the server.
Similarly, it doesn't send a draft until you are
ready to do so. Until that time, it resides on your computer. Absolutely nothing is stored on the server itself, so it is a lot more secure
albeit more cumbersome for archivists such as myself. If you are an archivist but want to remain secure, you can use a service like Posteo
which encrypts absolutely all data, making it unreadable to anyone who doesn't have access to the private key. The key itself can also be
stored somewhere safe on an encrypted storage device.
On Tue, 10/27/2026 8:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the
local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via the >>> internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft
would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the authorities took long to find them out?
Considering all the progress so far, I think the local email server
is the easiest solution. You know you wanna :-)
"Personal Mail Server" $3.34
https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nklmkqsg9c8?hl=en-US&gl=US
"Run your own email server with Personal Mail Server ? a self-hosted
SMTP and IMAP mail server that runs entirely on your Windows PC.
No cloud email providers, no monthly..."
Each time your Windows PC boots, the iPad will see a local IP appear
with the email server it wants to reach.
You could even, secretly, exchange your movies and music, without iTunes :-) A 7GB attachment to an email file, encoded in BASE64. OK. OK.
I'm beginning to get an Apple vibe now. This could work.
Paul
On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the >>>> local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts
via the
internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft >>>> would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and
the authorities took long to find them out?
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free
to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and
erases it from the server.
Which is contrary to the point. You have to UPLOAD the draft to the server.
On 2026-10-27 3:18 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on >>>>> the
local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts
via the
internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft >>>>> would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and
the authorities took long to find them out?
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free
to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and
erases it from the server.
Which is contrary to the point. You have to UPLOAD the draft to the
server.
Yes, but while IMAP immediately saves your draft to the server as you're composing it, POP3 only delivers it to the server once you actually
press the send button. As such, you can choose the form the server
receives, such as encrypting it before it leaves your computer.
On 2026-10-27 15:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-10-27 8:17 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-10-26 03:45, Maria Sophia wrote:
While your kind suggestion will work, it doesn't keep everything on the >>>> local LAN since email services (Gmail, Outlook, etc.) sync drafts via >>>> the
internet. Even if our devices are on the same local network, the draft >>>> would still need to connect to the email server, wouldn't it?
You know that terrorists and really bad guys used this method, and the
authorities took long to find them out?
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are free to
connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads everything and erases
it from the server.
Which is contrary to the point.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
BUT that's the point, what I propose, what the bad guys used because it
was secure from snooping by authorities, is NOT SENDING. That's the
whole point.
If you send, there is a route and many servers involved, one of which
can read your post. The trick is not sending, ever. One bad guy wrote
the post and left it in drafts. Another bad guy in a different place
accessed the same account, looked in drafts, and read it.
Instead of bad guys, just good guys with privacy in mind. The method is
private as long as you trust the mail provider. For instance, Proton.
The encryption is https, if you use the web mail front. Or imaps if you
don't. Might work with some types of mail encryption. Thunderbird can be
told to save encrypted drafts.
Hi Carlos,
You know me well where when someone gets caught and it makes the news, I
try to figure out *how* they got caught (by their computer or phone use).
All intelligent people have a good memory, where I remember when General David Petraeus's resignation as CIA Director in 2012 followed an
extramarital affair with biographer Paula Broadwell when they would communicate, via the same account, via drafts, sans any encryption.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal>
"Petraeus and Broadwell used fake names to create free
webmail accounts exchanging messages without encryption tools.
They would share an email account, with one saving a message
in the drafts folder and the other deleting it after reading it."
They likely would have gotten away with it since nobody was looking at
email drafts (apparently) at the time, but he was CIA & they were FBI.
Chris wrote:
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are
free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads
everything and erases it from the server.
Which is contrary to the point.
The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in
iOS/iPadOS.
Actually, iOS was never designed to be interoperable with anything
that was not made by Apple, as far as anyone who is reasonable would
claim, AFAIK.
Are you seriously claiming Apple's iOS is as interoperable with
Windows as, oh, say Android, Chris?
If so, your claim is ridiculously absurd on all accounts, and if I'm
wrong, let's see someone on the normal OS newsgroups claim that you're correct.
On 28 Oct 2026, Maria Sophia wrote in <11btmeb$1rod$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
Chris wrote:
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are
free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads
everything and erases it from the server.
Which is contrary to the point.
The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in
iOS/iPadOS.
Actually, iOS was never designed to be interoperable with anything
that was not made by Apple, as far as anyone who is reasonable would
claim, AFAIK.
Are you seriously claiming Apple's iOS is as interoperable with
Windows as, oh, say Android, Chris?
If so, your claim is ridiculously absurd on all accounts, and if I'm
wrong, let's see someone on the normal OS newsgroups claim that you're
correct.
Everything goes though the 'net these days... but, sure, Apple stuff
works better with Apple stuff, just as Google stuff works better with
Google stuff. And?
On Wed, 10/28/2026 4:54 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On 28 Oct 2026, Maria Sophia wrote in
<11btmeb$1rod$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
Chris wrote:
If you don't want the draft to connect to the Internet, you are
free to connect to your e-mail using POP3 which downloads
everything and erases it from the server.
Which is contrary to the point.
The point was to, yet again, manufacture a supposed weakness in
iOS/iPadOS.
Actually, iOS was never designed to be interoperable with anything
that was not made by Apple, as far as anyone who is reasonable would
claim, AFAIK.
Are you seriously claiming Apple's iOS is as interoperable with
Windows as, oh, say Android, Chris?
If so, your claim is ridiculously absurd on all accounts, and if I'm
wrong, let's see someone on the normal OS newsgroups claim that
you're correct.
Everything goes though the 'net these days... but, sure, Apple stuff
works better with Apple stuff, just as Google stuff works better with
Google stuff. And?
You will admit, certain OS combinations work better together.
And in this computer room, what works, is what gets used.
It's a pretty simple formula really, to success,
for the participants.
You don't need to be "perfectly open", just "sufficiently open".
The idea is, to make your box "frictionless", so a person like maria
cannot continuously make soap operas out of it.
I once made a sector level backup of the disk on the Mac G4. It took a PowerPC DVD version of Ubuntu, "dd" and "ftp". That is used to capture
a disk at rest.
(Ethernet is the fastest I/O on that box.)
Well, today, if I double click the output from that
session in Linux, all the Mac partitions open sequentially within the
bitmap image of the disk. I can see all my files! (Probably only data
forks, as you can imagine. For
important documents left on the disk image, that's
likely to be a good start.) And that's because File Sharing would not
work on MacOS 10.2 . A dialog would open to take a username and
password, but the connection would drop before you could enter
credentials. Nobody ever fixed that.
Yes, all versions of SMB were turned on, on the other boxes.
How attractive is this for a closed ecosystem attempt ? Pretty
unmagical at a guess. Why launch a product when it isn't ready ?
Haven't we learned anything ? Or was the project close to getting
canceled, instead of launched ???
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-googlebook-os-review-app-gemini-problems/
Paul
Paul wrote:
The idea is, to make your box "frictionless", so a person like
maria cannot continuously make soap operas out of it.
Heh heh heh... I love that! I might use it as a signature line. Do
I need to pay royalties to you for that privilege?
If iOS actually worked, I'd have nothing to say about it.
Worse, if the Apple nutcases would just act like normal people,
every thread that includes them would be an order of magnitude
shorter as a result.
To copy text between iOS and Windows clipboards is a clusterfuck.
Unless you use Vysor.
It's a *lot* easier to copy between Android & Windows clipboards
though. That's because Android has this concept of a file outside
of an app.
iOS doesn't.
Android handles files as independent system entities that live in
actual directories. We can grab a file or a chunk of data, and the
OS treats it like an object that can be moved, read, or
intercepted by another OS without locking it inside an app
sandbox.
Apple's iOS, by contrast, treats files and clipboards as
app-centric property. Because Apple isolates data inside rigid
application containers by design, getting something as simple as
text or a loose file from an iPhone to a Windows PC without an
all-Apple ecosystem forces you to jump through third-party
workarounds (like Vysor, cloud clipping tools, or messaging
yourself).
When people praise iOS "simplicity," they are usually ignoring how punishingly difficult it makes cross-platform friction.
There's brilliant logic in Apple purposefully making iOS NOT
interoperate with the platforms in the real world, in that Apple
makes a LOT of money out of forcing their constituents to buy an
Apple-only ecosystem.
Otherwise, if they try to use their devices in the real world,
they fail. It's a brilliant marketing strategy.
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