• VLC - where is the "starting volume" stored ?

    From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 23 09:48:20 2026
    Hello all,

    On my XPsp3 'puter I've two versions of VLC installed (1.1.11 - doesn't run everything but starts fast, 3.0.20 runs more but starts slow), and they seem
    to overwrite each others "starting volume" setting (when using "the other
    one" the volume always resets to 100%) . :-(

    The thing is that I can't seem to find where that setting is stored.
    Neither googeling for it nor inspecting the registry showed anything in that direction.

    So, the question is : does anybody know where should be looking for it (and wants to share that information ofcourse :-) ) ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser




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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 23 08:51:54 2026
    On 23/10/2026 in message <11bf3h2$1j2d0$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Hello all,

    On my XPsp3 'puter I've two versions of VLC installed (1.1.11 - doesn't run >everything but starts fast, 3.0.20 runs more but starts slow), and they
    seem
    to overwrite each others "starting volume" setting (when using "the other >one" the volume always resets to 100%) . :-(

    The thing is that I can't seem to find where that setting is stored.
    Neither googeling for it nor inspecting the registry showed anything in
    that
    direction.

    So, the question is : does anybody know where should be looking for it (and >wants to share that information ofcourse :-) ) ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Windows Defender has a problem with later versions of VLC. If you exclude
    its directory from Defender you should find later versions start as
    quickly as earlier ones.

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    the Titanic's restaurant.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 23 15:14:21 2026
    lisa,

    2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\
    Application Data\vlc\vlcrc

    Yep, exactly where I found it (after you mentioned the file in your previous post). Thank you.

    Interresting though, the volume for VLC 1.0.11 is not stored as displayed (a percentage), but, under the "Default audio volume (integer)" label, as a fraction of 256.

    In my case the entry was "volume=29", which translates to 29/256 => 11%
    (which is displayed in the preferences).


    It turns out that the problem isn't just the volume : both VLC versions try
    to read that vlcrc file, and if not found to their liking they use their own defaults and, on close, overwrite an existing file with their own. :-|

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser





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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 23 14:15:21 2026
    On Fri, 10/23/2026 9:14 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
    lisa,

    2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\
    Application Data\vlc\vlcrc

    Yep, exactly where I found it (after you mentioned the file in your previous post). Thank you.

    Interresting though, the volume for VLC 1.0.11 is not stored as displayed (a percentage), but, under the "Default audio volume (integer)" label, as a fraction of 256.

    In my case the entry was "volume=29", which translates to 29/256 => 11% (which is displayed in the preferences).


    It turns out that the problem isn't just the volume : both VLC versions try to read that vlcrc file, and if not found to their liking they use their own defaults and, on close, overwrite an existing file with their own. :-|

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


    My version 3.0.17.4 requires a trip to Tools:Preferences then in the Audio section

    [dialog box described as "Simple Preferences"]

    Enable audio

    Always reset audio start level to: 90% (Tick the box to switch this on)

    then in the vlcrc file, a new entry is added

    # Audio volume (float)
    waveout-volume=0.900000

    to capture the preference. The command line invocation of the
    tool doesn't seem to pass such a preference in, and the documentation
    on the web is slightly out of date as they cannot find a volunteer
    to write up the documentation.

    Yet the tool still was able to remember the current volume from
    run to run, and I could NOT figure out the mechanism :-) I downloaded
    the source and looked through it, opaque as mud. The localization files
    list a "Default Audio Volume" but perhaps that is only listed for some
    other version of preferences besides "Simple Preferences". I don't know
    if the audio mixer on my OS has its own storage of a preference or not.

    Paul



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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 24 16:52:37 2026
    Paul,

    My version 3.0.17.4 requires a trip to Tools:Preferences then in the Audio section

    [dialog box described as "Simple Preferences"]

    Enable audio

    Always reset audio start level to: 90% (Tick the box to switch this on)

    VLC 3.0.20 also has that setting. But alas, both the tickmark as well as
    the slider are grayed-out - with no indication to how to enable it (pressing the "reset preferences" button didn't help)

    then in the vlcrc file, a new entry is added

    # Audio volume (float)
    waveout-volume=0.900000

    I did change that value, but it has no effect on whats displayed in the preferences or on the volume displayed on the main window - not after re-starting VLC, and not after disabeling the "remember the audio volume" setting under the "all" settings either.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 24 13:56:34 2026
    On Sat, 10/24/2026 10:52 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Paul,

    My version 3.0.17.4 requires a trip to Tools:Preferences then in the Audio >> section

    [dialog box described as "Simple Preferences"]

    Enable audio

    Always reset audio start level to: 90% (Tick the box to
    switch this on)

    VLC 3.0.20 also has that setting. But alas, both the tickmark as well as the slider are grayed-out - with no indication to how to enable it (pressing the "reset preferences" button didn't help)

    then in the vlcrc file, a new entry is added

    # Audio volume (float)
    waveout-volume=0.900000

    I did change that value, but it has no effect on whats displayed in the preferences or on the volume displayed on the main window - not after re-starting VLC, and not after disabeling the "remember the audio volume" setting under the "all" settings either.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    I expect a feature like that is under "constant redesign".

    We would not want two releases to work the same.

    Paul



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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 06:48:29 2026
    Paul,

    I expect a feature like that is under "constant redesign".

    We would not want two releases to work the same.

    :-) :-(

    I solved my origional problem (the volume getting reset) by hex-editing one
    of the DLLs of VLC 3.0.20 so it uses a different folder to store vlcrc and related.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser




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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 07:08:46 2026
    On 2026/10/25 5:48:29, R.Wieser wrote:
    Paul,

    I expect a feature like that is under "constant redesign".

    We would not want two releases to work the same.

    :-) :-(

    I solved my origional problem (the volume getting reset) by hex-editing one of the DLLs of VLC 3.0.20 so it uses a different folder to store vlcrc and related.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



    Presumably, since you imply it is now not being reset, you mean any
    change _you_ make is now retained?

    If so, it suggests there are _two_ embedded references to where it
    stores vlcrc; if it was being reset and now isn't, the part of vlc that
    was/is doing the reset must be in a different place (in the code) to the
    part that saves/reloads the value. Is a vlcrc still being created (and
    that value in it being reset, just not used) in the "old" position?

    --
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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 08:40:54 2026
    On 25/10/2026 in message <11bk57j$3bl26$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Paul,

    I expect a feature like that is under "constant redesign".

    We would not want two releases to work the same.

    :-) :-(

    I solved my origional problem (the volume getting reset) by hex-editing one >of the DLLs of VLC 3.0.20 so it uses a different folder to store vlcrc and >related.

    Why not just use the latest version?

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    expect to sit.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 10:40:17 2026
    John,

    Presumably, since you imply it is now not being reset, you mean any
    any change _you_ make is now retained?

    Yes.

    If so, it suggests there are _two_ embedded references to where
    it stores vlcrc;

    You're thinking of a single VLC program. As described in my initial post, I've got two :
    One being version 1.1.11 and the other version 3.0.20. It turns out both of them use(d) the same folder to store their configuration files in : %appdata%\vlc

    For version 3.0.20 I changed the folder to %appdata%\vlc3

    But yes, there are indeed two embedded references; one in each version of
    VLC. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 11:20:19 2026
    Jeff,

    Why not just use the latest version?

    Why not explain to me why you think that that would solve anything ?

    In my initial post I explained why I have two versions installed. Whats the chance that the latest version will be even slower to load than v3.0.20 ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 10:52:31 2026
    On 25/10/2026 in message <11bkl5e$3gn0u$2@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    Why not just use the latest version?

    Why not explain to me why you think that that would solve anything ?

    In my initial post I explained why I have two versions installed. Whats
    the chance that the latest version will be even slower to load than
    v3.0.20 ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    In my reply to you I explained the problem and solution. It is Windows
    that slows VLC startup because it thinks VLC is a virus, it has been
    widely reported on the Internet.

    I have several directories that I don't let Defender near because of false positives.

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    (Bill Gates, 1981)

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 12:54:26 2026
    Jeff,

    In my reply to you I explained the problem and solution. It is Windows
    that slows VLC startup because it thinks VLC is a virus,

    No, you didn't. You just stated to "exclude its directory from Defender".

    Newsflash: XP doesn't have Windows Defender.

    Besides, I have *two* versions of VLC installed, of which, as mentioned, one starts fast and the other slow - *in comparision*.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 12:39:06 2026
    On 25/10/2026 in message <11bkqlu$3ioi9$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    In my reply to you I explained the problem and solution. It is Windows >>that slows VLC startup because it thinks VLC is a virus,

    No, you didn't. You just stated to "exclude its directory from Defender".

    Newsflash: XP doesn't have Windows Defender.

    Besides, I have two versions of VLC installed, of which, as mentioned, one >starts fast and the other slow - *in comparision*.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Then whatever XP has it needs excluding, it's a common, well documented problem.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 19:56:48 2026
    Jeff,

    Then whatever XP has it needs excluding,

    XP doesn't have any kind of build-in AV product.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 25 21:12:30 2026
    On 25/10/2026 in message <11bljdn$3smcn$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    Then whatever XP has it needs excluding,

    XP doesn't have any kind of build-in AV product.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    No, it was a separate download. If you are using an OS that old and out of date you must be using something. Anyway you can research the issue online there's loads of information available.

    --
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    watch them without doing anything. (Albert Einstein)

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 09:07:18 2026
    Jeff,

    Then whatever XP has it needs excluding,

    XP doesn't have any kind of build-in AV product.

    If you are using an OS that old and out of date you must be using
    something.

    Says who ?


    Why do you think I didn't respond to your first post here ? Yes, indeed: because your facts clash with the reality of my 'puter.

    I suggest that next time you give yourself a bit of needed leeway, and put your advice in a "if this, than (try/test) that" form.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 08:38:17 2026
    On 26/10/2026 in message <11bn1nu$cjg5$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    Then whatever XP has it needs excluding,

    XP doesn't have any kind of build-in AV product.

    If you are using an OS that old and out of date you must be using >>something.

    Says who ?


    Why do you think I didn't respond to your first post here ? Yes, indeed: >because your facts clash with the reality of my 'puter.

    I suggest that next time you give yourself a bit of needed leeway, and put >your advice in a "if this, than (try/test) that" form.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Along the lines of "as this is a Windows 10 group it is reasonable to
    assume people are using Windows 10 and if they are not it would be
    sensible to find the appropriate group or say so?"

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    And on the Virgin Islands same thing, not one canary.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 10:05:34 2026
    On 2026/10/26 8:38:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    []

    Along the lines of "as this is a Windows 10 group it is reasonable to
    assume people are using Windows 10 and if they are not it would be
    sensible to find the appropriate group or say so?"

    You didn't check what 'groups you were posting to.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 10:36:53 2026
    On 26/10/2026 in message <11bn8le$fcje$1@dont-email.me> J. P. Gilliver
    wrote:

    On 2026/10/26 8:38:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    []

    Along the lines of "as this is a Windows 10 group it is reasonable to >>assume people are using Windows 10 and if they are not it would be
    sensible to find the appropriate group or say so?"

    You didn't check what 'groups you were posting to.

    No, shouldn't be necessary. Anyway the issue is widely reported and when I
    had the problem it was a couple of minutes to fix.

    --
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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 13:44:00 2026
    Jeff,

    Along the lines of "as this is a Windows 10 group it is reasonable
    to assume people are using Windows 10 and if they are not it would
    be sensible to find the appropriate group or say so?"

    So you *know* that I am using XP, but now suddenly want to complain that I'm not using Win 10 ?

    Kiddo, you made a mistake (I hope), and are now trying to dig the hole you found yourself deeper to try to get out of it. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 13:20:20 2026
    On 26/10/2026 in message <11bni28$j3s2$2@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    Along the lines of "as this is a Windows 10 group it is reasonable
    to assume people are using Windows 10 and if they are not it would
    be sensible to find the appropriate group or say so?"

    So you know that I am using XP, but now suddenly want to complain that I'm >not using Win 10 ?

    Kiddo, you made a mistake (I hope), and are now trying to dig the hole you >found yourself deeper to try to get out of it. :-)

    No, it was reasonable for me to assume you were using Windows 10 because
    this is a Windows 10 group, if you are using a different OS perhaps you
    should post elsewhere?

    Not sure why you are still going on about this, as I have said the
    solution is simple and widely reported.

    Follow up set to alt.comp.os.windows-xp.

    --
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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 16:36:03 2026
    Jeff,

    No, it was reasonable for me to assume you were using Windows 10

    Bullshit. You quoted the whole of my initial post (bad show by the way), which shows me mentioning that I'm using XPsp3 as the first thing.

    In that same post/quote I also mentioned that v1.1.11 loads fast. If its
    VLC in its whole which is regared as a virus than that version should have loaded slow too.

    Kiddo, I suggest you stop digging. You're bad at it.

    Not sure why you are still going on about this, as I have said the
    solution is simple and widely reported.

    Which is both not applicable and doesn't solve my stated problem.

    Don't play stupid kid - unless you're not playing. In that case I
    apologise.

    Follow up set to alt.comp.os.windows-xp.

    And I reset it to what it was.

    Funny: you removed two cross-post newsgroups and only posted into the remaining one, but set the follow-up to one of the removed cross-post newsgroups. Its almost as if you purposely tried to disrupt the thread ...


    By the way, you still have not responded to my "Why not explain to me why
    you think that that* would solve anything ?" request. How come ? Should I make a guess ?

    * installing the newest VLC version.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 26 17:50:14 2026
    On 26/10/2026 in message <11bns18$n663$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    No, it was reasonable for me to assume you were using Windows 10

    Bullshit. You quoted the whole of my initial post (bad show by the way), >which shows me mentioning that I'm using XPsp3 as the first thing.

    In that same post/quote I also mentioned that v1.1.11 loads fast. If its >VLC in its whole which is regared as a virus than that version should have >loaded slow too.

    Kiddo, I suggest you stop digging. You're bad at it.

    If you researched online you would know why that is.


    Not sure why you are still going on about this, as I have said the >>solution is simple and widely reported.

    Which is both not applicable and doesn't solve my stated problem.

    It relates to the cause of slow loading of VLC.


    Don't play stupid kid - unless you're not playing. In that case I >apologise.

    I had the issue, researched it, and fixed it. You could do the same if you tried.

    Follow up set to alt.comp.os.windows-xp.

    And I reset it to what it was.

    Reset again, it is NOT relevant to this group.


    Funny: you removed two cross-post newsgroups and only posted into the >remaining one, but set the follow-up to one of the removed cross-post >newsgroups. Its almost as if you purposely tried to disrupt the thread ...


    By the way, you still have not responded to my "Why not explain to me why >you think that that* would solve anything ?" request. How come ? Should
    I make a guess ?

    * installing the newest VLC version.

    Having only one version installed solves the problem you had relating to different versions having different volume levels.


    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Your sig is improperly formed.

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    who don't.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 08:57:32 2026
    Jeff,

    Kiddo, I suggest you stop digging. You're bad at it.

    If you researched online you would know why that is.

    Kiddo, its your claim, and thus yours to explain.

    Though your attempt to get me to prove your point for you tells me you most likely can't do it yourself. And to be honest ? I'm not surprised.

    Not sure why you are still going on about this, as I have said the >>>solution is simple and widely reported.

    Which is both not applicable and doesn't solve my stated problem.

    It relates to the cause of slow loading of VLC.

    Kiddo, we had a nice round of posts, ending with me indicating I'm not
    running any AV. But for some reason you still claim that an AV *that I'm
    not running* must be the cause of *one* of my VLC versions slow loading.

    You're a special kind of stupid, still digging for all that you're worth.
    Or trolling.

    Having only one version installed solves the problem you had relating to different versions having different volume levels.

    I never indicated having such a problem. I suggest you re-read my initial question.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 08:38:03 2026
    On 27/10/2026 in message <11bplhl$1amb0$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    Kiddo, I suggest you stop digging. You're bad at it.

    If you researched online you would know why that is.

    Kiddo, its your claim, and thus yours to explain.

    https://googlethatforyou.com?q=VLC%20slow%20to%20launch%20under%20windows


    Though your attempt to get me to prove your point for you tells me you
    most likely can't do it yourself. And to be honest ? I'm not surprised.

    See link above.

    Not sure why you are still going on about this, as I have said the >>>>solution is simple and widely reported.

    Which is both not applicable and doesn't solve my stated problem.

    It relates to the cause of slow loading of VLC.

    Kiddo, we had a nice round of posts, ending with me indicating I'm not >running any AV. But for some reason you still claim that an AV *that I'm >not running* must be the cause of one of my VLC versions slow loading.

    You're a special kind of stupid, still digging for all that you're worth.
    Or trolling.

    Having only one version installed solves the problem you had relating to >>different versions having different volume levels.

    I never indicated having such a problem. I suggest you re-read my initial >question.

    Your concern was that running two versions of VLC affected your volume settings.
    The solution is to run just one version of course, running two versions of
    the same program is asking for trouble.
    I had the same problem and found the solution immediately.
    It seems likely your issue is related.


    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    This should be:
    --
    Rudy Wieser

    So that proper news readers don't include it in the reply.


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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 13:03:59 2026
    Jeff,

    Kiddo, I suggest you stop digging. You're bad at it.

    If you researched online you would know why that is.

    Kiddo, its your claim, and thus yours to explain.

    https://googlethatforyou.com?q=VLC%20slow%20to%20launch%20under%20windows

    Kiddo, you are an absolute moron. I do not have an AV installed. All your brouh-ha-ha -ing in that direction is therefore not applicable to my
    situation. As I have said before.

    Having only one version installed solves the problem you had relating to >>>different versions having different volume levels.

    I never indicated having such a problem. I suggest you re-read my initial >>question.

    Your concern was that running two versions of VLC affected your volume settings.

    That much is true.

    The solution is to run just one version of course,

    Than that should have been your suggestion : delete one of the two I've got installed.

    Funny though, you never said or suggested as much ...

    If you think you did, than do quote where you did so. Good luck. :-)

    running two versions of the same program is asking for trouble.

    Indeed it did cause trouble. Hence my question here, trying to figure out a solution for it.

    ... Which I thought of and applied a few days ago.

    I had the same problem

    No, you did not.

    The only thing that matches between your erstwhile problem and my initial
    post is the word "slow". You didn't even bother to check if your "slow" was comparable to mine.

    It seems likely your issue is related.

    And you've been told that it can't be. Yet, for some reason you keep
    pushing your "adjust your AV" solution. Why ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    This should be:
    --
    Rudy Wieser

    So that proper news readers don't include it in the reply.

    :-) Looking for something to complain about I see.

    Kiddo, lets end our conversation here. You have not offered me anything of
    any use, nor do you seem capable of understanding that.

    Goodbye.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser




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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Tue Oct 27 14:24:34 2026
    On 27/10/2026 in message <11bq3vk$1frar$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    Jeff,

    Kiddo, I suggest you stop digging. You're bad at it.

    If you researched online you would know why that is.

    Kiddo, its your claim, and thus yours to explain.

    https://googlethatforyou.com?q=VLC%20slow%20to%20launch%20under%20windows

    Kiddo, you are an absolute moron. I do not have an AV installed. All
    your
    brouh-ha-ha -ing in that direction is therefore not applicable to my >situation. As I have said before.

    Having only one version installed solves the problem you had relating to >>>>different versions having different volume levels.

    I never indicated having such a problem. I suggest you re-read my >>>initial
    question.

    Your concern was that running two versions of VLC affected your volume >>settings.

    That much is true.

    The solution is to run just one version of course,

    Than that should have been your suggestion : delete one of the two I've got >installed.

    That is my suggestion you have just read and referred to it!

    Funny though, you never said or suggested as much ...

    You are replying to it!

    If you think you did, than do quote where you did so. Good luck. :-)

    How are you replying to it if I didn't suggest it?

    running two versions of the same program is asking for trouble.

    Indeed it did cause trouble. Hence my question here, trying to figure out
    a
    solution for it.

    ... Which I thought of and applied a few days ago.

    I had the same problem

    No, you did not.

    The only thing that matches between your erstwhile problem and my initial >post is the word "slow". You didn't even bother to check if your "slow"
    was
    comparable to mine.

    It seems likely your issue is related.

    And you've been told that it can't be. Yet, for some reason you keep >pushing your "adjust your AV" solution. Why ?

    Because that's the root of the problem.


    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    This should be:
    --
    Rudy Wieser

    So that proper news readers don't include it in the reply.

    :-) Looking for something to complain about I see.

    You seem to be new to Usenet, just trying to help a newby out.


    Kiddo, lets end our conversation here. You have not offered me anything of >any use, nor do you seem capable of understanding that.

    Goodbye.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Oh dear, you don't understand instructions do you?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 2 06:49:35 2026
    On 10/23/2026 9:14 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
    lisa,

    2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\
    Application Data\vlc\vlcrc

    Yep, exactly where I found it (after you mentioned the file in your previous post). Thank you.

    Interresting though, the volume for VLC 1.0.11 is not stored as displayed (a percentage), but, under the "Default audio volume (integer)" label, as a fraction of 256.

    In my case the entry was "volume=29", which translates to 29/256 => 11% (which is displayed in the preferences).


    It turns out that the problem isn't just the volume : both VLC versions try to read that vlcrc file, and if not found to their liking they use their own defaults and, on close, overwrite an existing file with their own. :-|

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    I believe this is common with open source projects; they tend to be cod-
    ed in such a way that the /programmer is always right/, and regular peo-
    ple don't have a say.

    You're welcome to refute me, but please give accurate details if you do.
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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 2 08:24:51 2026
    Johann,

    I believe this is common with open source projects; they tend to be coded
    in such a way that the /programmer is always right/,
    ...
    You're welcome to refute me, but please give accurate details if you
    do.

    You can ofcourse provide us with accurate details to support your above
    claim ?

    Also, what makes you think you may demand that a project - regardless of an open or closed one - has to be written to your (and theirs,theirs, and let
    not forget theirs and theirs too) liking ?

    and regular people don't have a say

    Besides repeating the above "accurate details" part, I don't think that you realize that if you put three people - let alone thousands of them - in a
    room to come up with a single set of requirements that you most likely get a fight to the death over who's are the most important and how they need to be implemented..

    So yes, its the programmer who has the first (duh), and last word about *their* project.

    But if you don't like what some open source program offers you than you are free to take (fork?) the *open source* and modify it so the program does exactly what you want. Thats what open source is for. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 2 08:36:18 2026
    On 2026/11/2 7:24:51, R.Wieser wrote:
    []
    But if you don't like what some open source program offers you than you are free to take (fork?) the *open source* and modify it so the program does exactly what you want. Thats what open source is for. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


    That's /one/ of the reasons for it; another is so that people can see
    that the code is not doing anything nefarious.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    He who prides himself on giving what he thinks the public wants is
    often creating a fictitious demand for low standards which he will then satisfy.
    - Lord Reith

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 2 12:13:14 2026
    John,

    But if you don't like what some open source program offers you than you
    are free to take (fork?) the *open source* and modify it so the program
    does exactly what you want. Thats what open source is for. :-)
    ...
    That's /one/ of the reasons for it; another is so that people can see
    that the code is not doing anything nefarious.

    True, but not relevant in the context of johann's post.


    Also, its a bit of a red herring. For example, how many users of VLC and/or Firefox (and its derivates) do you think have knowledge of all the used programming languages ? And of those have enough time to go thru the whole thing, using the proverbial magnifying-glass to figure out what everything
    is doing ?

    Besides the problem that, when multiple people can do something, pretty-much none of them do anything, reasoning that someone else will do it and inform them. :-( :-)

    And, in Firefox-es case, it has an updating mechanism using binaries. Iow, after the first update its anybodies guess to what the program is than actually (not) capable of...

    ... And thats not even thinking about something like a distribution based on Linux. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 02:09:05 2026
    On 11/2/2026 3:24 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Johann,

    I believe this is common with open source projects; they tend to be coded
    in such a way that the /programmer is always right/,
    ...
    You're welcome to refute me, but please give accurate details if you
    do.

    You can ofcourse provide us with accurate details to support your above
    claim ?

    Also, what makes you think you may demand that a project - regardless of an open or closed one - has to be written to your (and theirs,theirs, and let not forget theirs and theirs too) liking ?

    and regular people don't have a say

    Besides repeating the above "accurate details" part, I don't think that you realize that if you put three people - let alone thousands of them - in a room to come up with a single set of requirements that you most likely get a fight to the death over who's are the most important and how they need to be implemented..

    So yes, its the programmer who has the first (duh), and last word about *their* project.

    But if you don't like what some open source program offers you than you are free to take (fork?) the *open source* and modify it so the program does exactly what you want. Thats what open source is for. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Did I hurt your feelings? Do you feel pain in your VLC? Have you
    thought to talk to a psychologist about it?
    --
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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 2 20:37:13 2026
    Johann,

    Did I hurt your feelings? Do you feel pain in your VLC? Have you thought
    to talk to a psychologist about it?

    Ah, kiddo, did I touch a nerve with what I said ? Maybe even a few of them
    ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 17:00:26 2026
    On 11/3/2026 3:37 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Johann,

    Did I hurt your feelings? Do you feel pain in your VLC? Have you thought
    to talk to a psychologist about it?

    Ah, kiddo, did I touch a nerve with what I said ? Maybe even a few of them
    ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    No, you did not. But if you think I'm going to respect /open source de- velopers/ who make bad software, you're missing a few screws.
    --
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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 11:17:43 2026
    Johann,

    Did I hurt your feelings? Do you feel pain in your VLC? Have you
    thought
    to talk to a psychologist about it?

    Ah, kiddo, did I touch a nerve with what I said ? Maybe even a few of
    them
    ?
    ...
    No, you did not. But if you think I'm going to respect /open source developers/ who make bad software, you're missing a few screws.

    Thats fun! You're now trying to make it sound as if "bad developers" was
    what your initial post was about all along ! But alas, again/still without providing any "accurate details" to any of it. :-(

    Kiddo, if you think that I do not notice that kind of shennigans than I'm afraid its you who is "missing a few screws".

    And for the record, you're still stuck on "open source developers", when
    there are enough closed-source developers who seem to be bad* at their jobs too.

    * but without having information from the developers themselves I cannot
    even be sure about that.

    And again, you can always take their source-code and fix all the bad stuff
    you see yourself.

    But if you want to discuss your POV, than I could oblige. Though not if you keep trying to pull stunts/play tricks like that. Start with supporting
    your claims with some facts.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    P.s.
    Next time you don't like how someone responds to what you've said than do *not* go for the messenger. If there is *anything* that shows you are
    unable to counter what has being said to you than its that move.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 20:02:54 2026
    On 11/3/2026 6:17 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Johann,

    Did I hurt your feelings? Do you feel pain in your VLC? Have you
    thought
    to talk to a psychologist about it?

    Ah, kiddo, did I touch a nerve with what I said ? Maybe even a few of
    them
    ?
    ...
    No, you did not. But if you think I'm going to respect /open source
    developers/ who make bad software, you're missing a few screws.

    Thats fun! You're now trying to make it sound as if "bad developers" was what your initial post was about all along ! But alas, again/still without providing any "accurate details" to any of it. :-(

    I don't need to. There is so much bad software out there, you can pick anything at random.


    Kiddo, if you think that I do not notice that kind of shennigans than I'm afraid its you who is "missing a few screws".

    And what shenanigans are that, exactly?


    And for the record, you're still stuck on "open source developers", when there are enough closed-source developers who seem to be bad* at their jobs too.

    I know that. You know that. So why are we discussing them?


    * but without having information from the developers themselves I cannot
    even be sure about that.

    And again, you can always take their source-code and fix all the bad stuff you see yourself.

    No, I can't. Because when I do, someone else will come around in two to
    ten years and replace my code with theirs. Often for "obscure reasons"
    with the side effect that someone's rare sound card stops working in
    Linux.


    But if you want to discuss your POV, than I could oblige. Though not if you keep trying to pull stunts/play tricks like that. Start with supporting your claims with some facts.

    I don't have to /support my claims/. This is the real world, and not
    academia.


    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    P.s.
    Next time you don't like how someone responds to what you've said than do *not* go for the messenger. If there is *anything* that shows you are
    unable to counter what has being said to you than its that move.

    I can counter a lot, but there's a limit to what I'm willing to type.
    --
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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 14:19:43 2026
    Johann,

    Thats fun! You're now trying to make it sound as if "bad developers"
    was what your initial post was about all along ! But alas, again/still
    without providing any "accurate details" to any of it. :-(

    I don't need to. There is so much bad software out there, you can pick anything at random.

    Ah yes, the next "trick" : "misunderstanding" that I only wrote the second part of what you quoted up there.

    Besides that, I'm not going to do a wild goose chase for something you claim to already know of. Again: Its your claim, so its yours to support.

    And what shenanigans are that, exactly?

    Lol.

    I know that. You know that. So why are we discussing them?

    You *claim* to know. I don't - as I tried to make clear. And you're /anything else/ than discussing anything. For that you need a point and support for it. You refuse to provide the latter ...

    And again, you can always take their source-code and fix all the bad
    stuff
    you see yourself.

    No, I can't.

    I believe that.

    Because when I do, someone else will come around in two to
    ten years and replace my code with theirs.

    Lol. A nice excuse to having to do nothing - but for complaining ofcourse.

    Keep it for yourself than. There is no rule that you /have/ to share your work.

    But how would that be different from you replacing the developers code with some of your own ? Or is it only an issue when it happens to you ?

    Often for "obscure reasons" with the side effect that someone's rare sound card stops working in Linux.

    Well, that just means you are a bad developer yourself Otherwise you would have /ofcourse/ written your code to be able to handle *everything* - just like you seem to expect from those "bad developers".

    But if you want to discuss your POV, than I could oblige. Though not if
    you keep trying to pull stunts/play tricks like that. Start with
    supporting
    your claims with some facts.

    I don't have to /support my claims/. This is the real world, and not academia.

    Lol. You tell me "please give accurate details", but you deny having to do it yourself. Thats a good one. No, really. :-)

    And yes, you have to support your claims, /exactly because/ this is the real world. Otherwise all your whining is just that : whining.

    I can counter a lot,

    No, you obviously can't. Worse : you have not even *tried*.

    but there's a limit to what I'm willing to type.

    Unless its some more bullshitting

    I'm ending this conversation. Find some other person and see if you can
    get them to play yes-man to whatever you say.

    Goodbye.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 13:35:17 2026
    On 03/11/2026 in message <11ccn1l$3pc33$1@dont-email.me> R.Wieser wrote:

    I'm ending this conversation. Find some other person and see if you can >get them to play yes-man to whatever you say.

    Goodbye.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Are you related to Frank Weisel from Yes, Prime Minister?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    We chose to do this not because it is easy but because we thought it would
    be easy.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 17:18:36 2026
    On 2026/11/3 10:17:43, R.Wieser wrote:
    []
    Kiddo
    []
    P.s.
    Next time you don't like how someone responds to what you've said than do *not* go for the messenger. If there is *anything* that shows you are unable to counter what has being said to you than its that move.


    What, like calling someone "Kiddo"?

    I often disagree with your interlocutor here - but certainly I don't
    respect anyone who stoops to that sort of name-calling.

    I have seen useful posts from you in the past.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    I can prove anything with statistics - except the truth.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From R.Wieser@3:633/10 to All on Tue Nov 3 21:08:10 2026
    John,

    What, like calling someone "Kiddo"?

    Whats wrong with it ? I find it rather fitting for someone who exhibits child-like behaviour, and continues doing so even when called out for it.

    but certainly I don't respect anyone who stoops to that sort of name-calling.

    I do not respect someone who thinks they should play stupid games like
    Johann just did. And I'm afraid that, at some point in the conversation, it showed.

    I have seen useful posts from you in the past.

    I thought that my suggestion to Johann that he could get the offending open source and fix it himself was, even though obvious, rather usefull.

    Reghards,
    Rudy Wieser



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Wed Nov 4 06:33:23 2026
    On 11/4/2026 4:08 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
    John,

    What, like calling someone "Kiddo"?

    Whats wrong with it ? I find it rather fitting for someone who exhibits child-like behaviour, and continues doing so even when called out for it.

    but certainly I don't respect anyone who stoops to that sort of
    name-calling.

    I do not respect someone who thinks they should play stupid games like
    Johann just did. And I'm afraid that, at some point in the conversation, it showed.

    I have seen useful posts from you in the past.

    I thought that my suggestion to Johann that he could get the offending open source and fix it himself was, even though obvious, rather usefull.

    Reghards,
    Rudy Wieser

    No, it's rude, and has always been rude. It's foolish to think you can influence my choice of hobbies.

    That the /open source/ developers tend to think that's not rude is just
    their lack of social skills.
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